FW: Downgrade 9672
Hi Listers, > We have an IBM 9672-R56 hardware. Is there any way we can > downsize it to a lower capacity so that we can use it for testing. > We understand that IBM has dropped marketing support for this > hardware. > > Regards, > > > This message is intended only for the use of the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure.If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any use, review, disclosure or copying of this message and the information it contains is prohibited. If you receive the message in error , please notify the sender by reply e-mail and discard all its contents. Thank You. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Downgrade 9672
Yes, you can pay IBM $5,000 to $10,000 dollars to make it an R16, R26, etc. -Original Message- Hi Listers, > We have an IBM 9672-R56 hardware. Is there any way we can downsize it > to a lower capacity so that we can use it for testing. > We understand that IBM has dropped marketing support for this > hardware. > > Regards, > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Disclaimer: This e-mail message is intended only for the personal use of the recipient(s) named above. If you are not an intended recipient, you may not review, copy or distribute this message. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the original message. This e-mail expresses views only of the sender, which are not to be attributed to Rite Aid Corporation and may not be copied or distributed without this statement. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Downgrade 9672
I am not sure if it would be worth it, but you could contact a third party vendor and see if you could trade down. Instead of paying money. you might be able to get paid for the downgrade. However, since you could probably buy an R16 or R26 for $ 5,000, the net difference may not pay for the shipping and CE services for the install. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Downgrade 9672
At that price it would make more sense to do it yourself! How on earth do IBM arrive at that figure? Or you could buy a used R16 etc. for less money - try ebay! Mike On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:44:47 -0400, Larry Kraus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, you can pay IBM $5,000 to $10,000 dollars to make it an R16, R26, >etc. > >-Original Message- >Hi Listers, > >> We have an IBM 9672-R56 hardware. Is there any way we can downsize it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Downgrade 9672
I remnember Texas Tech getting a speed "upgrade" to there 370/145 back in the 70's. It consisted of the CE removing three loops from the 145's microcode. The price tag for this upgrade? A cool $ 50K! Michael Ross wrote: At that price it would make more sense to do it yourself! How on earth do IBM arrive at that figure? Or you could buy a used R16 etc. for less money - try ebay! Mike On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:44:47 -0400, Larry Kraus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, you can pay IBM $5,000 to $10,000 dollars to make it an R16, R26, etc. -Original Message- Hi Listers, We have an IBM 9672-R56 hardware. Is there any way we can downsize it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Downgrade 9672
... However, since you could probably buy an R16 or R26 for $ 5,000, the net difference may not pay for the shipping and CE services for the install ... The net software difference may. But, I recall one ISV (from Islandia NY) Who would not refund any money. Just gave out credits, which were useless unless you bought more product. (Not an increase in existing) -teD (The secret to success is sincerity. If you can fake that, you've got it made!) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Downgrade 9672
On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:35:14 -0500, SArnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I remnember Texas Tech getting a speed "upgrade" to there 370/145 back >in the 70's. It consisted of the CE removing three loops from the 145's >microcode. The price tag for this upgrade? A cool $ 50K! Pretty extortionate... I'm sure there are third-party companies that did/do this kind of thing a hell of a lot cheaper than IBM... Mike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Downgrade 9672
I remnember Texas Tech getting a speed "upgrade" to there 370/145 back in the 70's. It consisted of the CE removing three loops from the 145's microcode. The price tag for this upgrade? A cool $ 50K! I remember a story from long ago: Honeywell had a processed that came in single and double speeds, with a price jump. If you had the slower processor and paid to upgrade to the faster, the CE removed a jumper that made the clock run at half-speed! I can't swear this was true, could be one of those urban computer myths -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing Little Falls, NJ 07424 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.fdr.innovationdp.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Downgrade 9672
I was standing there when the IBM CE finished his upgrade, so I am pretty sure of my source. Bruce Black wrote: I remnember Texas Tech getting a speed "upgrade" to there 370/145 back in the 70's. It consisted of the CE removing three loops from the 145's microcode. The price tag for this upgrade? A cool $ 50K! I remember a story from long ago: Honeywell had a processed that came in single and double speeds, with a price jump. If you had the slower processor and paid to upgrade to the faster, the CE removed a jumper that made the clock run at half-speed! I can't swear this was true, could be one of those urban computer myths -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Downgrade 9672
... If you had the slower processor and paid to upgrade to the faster, the CE removed a jumper that made the clock run at half-speed! I can't swear this was true, could be one of those urban computer myths ... I saw it happen on a Honeywell Level 66, in the late 1970's. This was at the University of Waterloo and if I'd not been there, I would probably not have believed it. -teD (The secret to success is sincerity. If you can fake that, you've got it made!) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Downgrade 9672
IIRC hearing the same about the Series 6000 the Los Angeles Community College District (where I both studied and worked) had. (Replaced a perfectly good 370/158. Long political story.) Ray -- M. Ray Mullins Roseville, CA, USA http://www.catherdersoftware.com/ http://www.mrmullins.big-bear-city.ca.us/ http://www.the-bus-stops-here.org/ > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Black > Sent: Wednesday 22 June 2005 12:33 > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Downgrade 9672 > > > I remnember Texas Tech getting a speed "upgrade" to there > 370/145 back > > in the 70's. It consisted of the CE removing three loops from the > > 145's microcode. The price tag for this upgrade? A cool $ 50K! > > I remember a story from long ago: Honeywell had a processed > that came in single and double speeds, with a price jump. If > you had the slower processor and paid to upgrade to the > faster, the CE removed a jumper that made the clock run at > half-speed! I can't swear this was true, could be one of > those urban computer myths -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Downgrade 9672
I remember the 'go-faster' stripes that Burroughs had to put on the B2700 after 'upgrading ' it from a B2500. I beleive this was needed to convince the Customer that he had actually got something for his (quite a lot of) money. this upgrade was really little more than a jumper chjange clock speed increase also. I also remember that a 600 cards-per-minute 2501-001 card reader could be upgraded to a 2501-002 (1100 cards-per-minute) by the replacement of a different sized gear wheel. If you owned ( and maintained) the machine , no-one could stop you! I always imagined that IBM's 'Licenced Internal Code' ( not to mentioned Graduated licnening charges, of course!) was a way to protect them from any one else being able to undo a 'Kneecapped' processor nowadays. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Black > Sent: Wednesday 22 June 2005 12:33 > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Downgrade 9672 > > > I remnember Texas Tech getting a speed "upgrade" to there > 370/145 back > > in the 70's. It consisted of the CE removing three loops from the > > 145's microcode. The price tag for this upgrade? A cool $ 50K! > > I remember a story from long ago: Honeywell had a processed > that came in single and double speeds, with a price jump. If > you had the slower processor and paid to upgrade to the > faster, the CE removed a jumper that made the clock run at > half-speed! I can't swear this was true, could be one of > those urban computer myths -- This message and any attachment is intended for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed by the first sender and contains information which may be confidential and/or privileged. If you receive this message and any attachment in error, delete it immediately and notify the sender by email or phone +612 9218 1000 Unless you have been expressly authorised by the sender, you are prohibited from copying, distributing or using the information contained in this message and any attachment Tabcorp Holdings Ltd(ABN 66 063 780 709)and its related bodies corporate "Tabcorp" is not responsible for any of the changes made to this message or any attachment other than those made by Tabcorp, or for the effect of changes made by others on the meaning of this message and any attachment Tabcorp does not represent that any attachment is free from computer viruses or defects and the user assumes all responsibility for any loss or damage resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attachment -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Downgrade 9672
Phil Steele wrote: [...] I always imagined that IBM's 'Licenced Internal Code' ( not to mentioned Graduated licnening charges, of course!) was a way to protect them from any one else being able to undo a 'Kneecapped' processor nowadays. I heard about guys, who upgrade 9672 machines. They could enable remaining CPs as well as memory. There are customers who don't care, and probably it's not illegal in some countries. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Downgrade 9672
> > >I remnember Texas Tech getting a speed "upgrade" to there 370/145 back > >in the 70's. It consisted of the CE removing three loops from the 145's > >microcode. The price tag for this upgrade? A cool $ 50K! > > Pretty extortionate... I'm sure there are third-party companies that > did/do > this kind of thing a hell of a lot cheaper than IBM... > This kind of situation begs for competitors who can provide a 'good enough' product cheaper (see Clayton Christensen and _The Innovator's Dilemma_). Boy, no wonder Wintel caught on. Dave -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Downgrade 9672
Back to the original subject. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11215&item=5783038982&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW They'll even ship UPS or FEDEX -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Downgrade 9672
ibm.com has used System/390 Integrated Servers and Multiprise 3000s for sale if you want a small 31-bit test system. Nice fit for VSE. (Yes, there's a $6,000 mainframe for sale.) But they also have z800s (~350 MIPS) available if you'd like something really nifty (but less capacity so lower software charges) that'll run the 64-bit software. http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/HelpDisplay?storeId=1&catalogId=-840&langId=-1&subject=2576400 I'm sure you could talk them into a smaller z800 if you wish (if a 002 is too much -- or maybe have them pack it with IFLs instead). No, I don't get any commissions. I wish. :-) - - - - - Timothy F. Sipples Senior Software Architect, Enterprise Transformation IBM Americas zSeries Software Phone: (312) 245-4003 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (PGP key available.) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Downgrade 9672
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:48:13 +0200, R.S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Phil Steele wrote: >[...] >> I always imagined that IBM's 'Licenced Internal Code' ( not to mentioned Graduated licnening charges, of course!) >> was a way to protect them from any one else being able to undo >>a 'Kneecapped' processor nowadays. Perhaps... but there are people who take that as a challenge! This kind of thing will happen when Linux hackers get hold of mainframes ;-) >I heard about guys, who upgrade 9672 machines. They could enable >remaining CPs as well as memory. >There are customers who don't care, and probably it's not illegal in >some countries. I think I know the same people... I believe it's true, IBM no longer have a monopoly on enabling CPs etc. IBM hate it, but if the customer owns the hardware, there's not a lot they can do about it - so long as the customer pays the correct software charges of course... Similar scenario occured a couple of years ago on AS/400 with a product called 'Fast/400': http://www.itjungle.com/tfh/tfh060302-story03.html Mike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
