Re: Famous in Baghdad

[Hollis, Randall H.]

Don't forget 
1 Yadillion  = 10 ^ "Yada, yada, yada"
per George Costanza 

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Same in Slovakia

On 1/10/06, Hunkeler Peter (KRDO 4) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
> At least in German speaking countries, the following terms are used:
>
> 1 Million   = 10 ^ 6, which corresponds to million in the US
> 1 Milliarde = 10 ^ 9  -> billion
> 1 Billion   = 10 ^ 12 -> trillion
> 1 Billiarde = 10 ^ 15 -> quadrillion
> 1 Trillion  = 10 ^ 18 -> what's next? quintillion?
> etc.
>
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Re: Famous in Baghdad

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/11/2006
   at 12:03 AM, Gerhard Postpischil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>It's German for plaster of Paris, which can lead to some confusion.

Why? Anybody who believes that MIPS are relevant has been gypped some.
 
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Re: Famous in Baghdad

[Ted MacNEIL]

>What's wrong with GIPS, other than the 
inherent meaninglessness of
quoting IPS?

"GIP" is a curse word in some European 
Languages
-teD
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Re: Famous in Baghdad

[Baron Carter]

On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:44:29 -0700, Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>In a recent note, "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" said:
>
>> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:40:41 -0500
>>
>> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/10/2006
>>at 01:11 AM, Phil Payne <[log in to unmask]> said:
>>
>> >http://www.baghdadmuseum.org/ref/?title=Million_instructions_per_second
>>
>> >"Analyst firm Isham Research has lately coined the term kMIPS
>>
>> What's wrong with GIPS, other than the inherent meaninglessness of
>> quoting IPS?
>>
>For YA abomination, I lately noticed that the z/Series PoOP
>makes a statement to the effect that bit 31 of the TOD clock
>is incremented every megamicrosecond (paraphrased to avoid
>use of a Greek character).
>
>A megamicrosecond is, of course, about 1.05 seconds.  Except in SI.
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I can't believe that in 2006 this is still being discussed.  I thought it
was all settled, starting in the 60's.  :-)

http://www.bipm.fr/en/si/prefixes.html

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Re: Famous in Baghdad

[R.S.]

Gerhard Postpischil wrote:


Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:


What's wrong with GIPS, other than the inherent meaninglessness of
quoting IPS?



It's German for plaster of Paris, which can lead to some confusion.


As I understand, gips (chemically CaSO4) is for broken legs - am I right 
? Same name in Poland. However I strogly doubt that somebody could be 
misleaded by GIPS in context of processor performance. There are many 
words (IMHO more in English than in Polish) that have specific meaning 
in specific context.

GIPS is as ok as GB (gigabyte).

To TeD: I also don't like MIP as singular of MIPS.  However, even 
folks on the list use MIP and MIPs.
Maybe we should pester them, like the guys which dare to use USS 
acronyms for some ships and other things ? 


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Re: Famous in Baghdad

[Gerhard Postpischil]

Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:

What's wrong with GIPS, other than the inherent meaninglessness of
quoting IPS?


It's German for plaster of Paris, which can lead to some confusion.

Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT

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Re: Famous in Baghdad

[Paul Gilmartin]

In a recent note, "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" said:

> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:40:41 -0500
> 
> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/10/2006
>at 01:11 AM, Phil Payne <[log in to unmask]> said:
> 
> >http://www.baghdadmuseum.org/ref/?title=Million_instructions_per_second
> 
> >"Analyst firm Isham Research has lately coined the term kMIPS
> 
> What's wrong with GIPS, other than the inherent meaninglessness of
> quoting IPS?
> 
For YA abomination, I lately noticed that the z/Series PoOP
makes a statement to the effect that bit 31 of the TOD clock
is incremented every megamicrosecond (paraphrased to avoid
use of a Greek character).

A megamicrosecond is, of course, about 1.05 seconds.  Except in SI.

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Re: Famous in Baghdad

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/10/2006
   at 01:11 AM, Phil Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>http://www.baghdadmuseum.org/ref/?title=Million_instructions_per_second

>"Analyst firm Isham Research has lately coined the term kMIPS
>(kilo-million instructions per second) to measure the processor
>speeds in IBM's largest servers."

What's wrong with GIPS, other than the inherent meaninglessness of
quoting IPS?
 
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Re: Famous in Baghdad

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/10/2006
   at 12:51 PM, Phil Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>The idea behind kMIPS (and I agree it's an abortion) was to provide a
>scalable nmber that would get us away from the apparent precision of
>the five-digit numbers regularly thrown around when discussing, e.g.,
>z9 performance.

Google for "SI units".
 
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Re: Famous in Baghdad

[Ted MacNEIL]

>I wish we'd junked MIPS when workload 
dependency first reared its ugly head. 

IBM used to stay away from MIPS.
I took one of Joe Major's first courses in 
Capacity Planning (May 1982), and he used CPU 
quanta.

Then, around the era of the ES/9000 series, 
they published a comparison document where 
31.5 was the stated capacity of a 3090-200E 
(They didn't use any units), then when the 
9672's came out they were blatent about using 
MIPS.

The problem is that people need/want a 
comparison. How do you know what to upgrade 
to, if you don't know what you've got, what 
you need, and what's available?

I wrote an article about it in December 
2004: "Don't be Mislead by MIPS":
http://tinyurl.com/7rogu

But, we have senior management committing to 
gobs of expenditure based on something no 
better than a WAG.

LSPR figures are also suspect, now.
LSPR started out as a PCM-bashing tool, then 
it got reasonable.
But, now they have created new workloads that 
they never calibrated on older technology, 
they have not tested all sizes, and the bigger 
ones are 'straight-lined', which is specious 
at best.

And, the worst problem is that IBM no longer 
gives performance guarantees. So, if you buy 
it, you broke it.
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Re: Famous in Baghdad

[Ted MacNEIL]

I have a manager that talks about the cost per 
MIP. I cringe everytime.
He doesn't listen!

>Still this would be TIPS and not TIPs, since 
xIPS is not
>a plural, there is no xIP (x = M, kM, B, 
T, ) 
>...and don't forget to declare what kind of a 
Trillion
>you're referring to, a US or a ROW (rest of 
world); it
>factors in a million in the difference.

That's why we went to scientific notation in 
Canada.
-teD
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Re: Famous in Baghdad

[Howard Brazee]

On 10 Jan 2006 07:43:21 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil Payne) wrote:

>I wish we'd junked MIPS when workload dependency first reared its ugly head.  
>The 4341-1
>should NEVER have had a MIPS number associated with it.

My nephew asked me about the speed of a game machine he was looking at
- I had to tell him that we can't compare Gigaflops of one machine
with those of another to see which will render your rendering better
on your TV set.

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Famous in Baghdad

[Phil Payne]

TIPS?

I wish we'd junked MIPS when workload dependency first reared its ugly head.  
The 4341-1
should NEVER have had a MIPS number associated with it.

MSUs were useful for a while, until they became a marketing tool with the 
"technology
dividend" or whatever it's called now - 10% per generation?.

I'm looking forward with some amusement to the official PSI launch.  What 
happens if they
decide that their "technology dividend" is 90% (justifiable, given the 
dealership cost of a
Superdome) and state their MSUs as only 10% of an IBM box?

Even more fun - what happens if they decide to position against an Amdahl 
system such as an
Omniprise, the performance of which was always talked down by LSPR and which 
has GOLC
entitlement?

I'm stunned at the way IBM is "handling" this.

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Re: Famous in Baghdad

[Hunkeler Peter (KRDO 4)]

Still this would be TIPS and not TIPs, since xIPS is not
a plural, there is no xIP (x = M, kM, B, T, ) 
...and don't forget to declare what kind of a Trillion
you're referring to, a US or a ROW (rest of world); it
factors in a million in the difference.


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Re: Famous in Baghdad

[Paul Gilmartin]

In a recent note, Phil Payne said:

> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:51:07 +0100
> 
> In most languages other than American English a billion is a million mllion.  
> A thousand
> million is a milliard - even officially in UK English. These days, the 
> American usage is
> becoming prevalent in the UK as well.
> 
The International prefixes were invented to avoid such ambiguities.
How about GIPS, then.  I believe that the usage is uniformly G=10^9,
never G=10^12.  (I don't believe GiIPS is a unit in use anywhere.)

> The idea behind kMIPS (and I agree it's an abortion) was to provide a 
> scalable nmber that
 
Somehow, I prefer "abomination", even though I hope its development
is aborted.

> would get us away from the apparent precision of the five-digit numbers 
> regularly thrown
> around when discussing, e.g., z9 performance.

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Re: Famous in Baghdad

[Ed Finnell]

 
In a message dated 1/10/2006 5:56:08 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hence  the idea of 15 kMIPS instead of 15,000 MIPS.



>>
Million, billion, trillion...NIST. Just to be prepared we could jump ahead  
to TIPs. So it would only be at .15 TIPs-and you could still have room to grow. 
 Bet your sweet BIPpy-Elvis has left the  building  

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Famous in Baghdad

[Phil Payne]

In most languages other than American English a billion is a million mllion.  A 
thousand
million is a milliard - even officially in UK English. These days, the American 
usage is
becoming prevalent in the UK as well.

The idea behind kMIPS (and I agree it's an abortion) was to provide a scalable 
nmber that
would get us away from the apparent precision of the five-digit numbers 
regularly thrown
around when discussing, e.g., z9 performance.

Back when we had 15 MIPS machines, we knew damn well that they actually ran at 
13 MIPS on some
workloads and 17 MIPS on others.  No one (even deranged) would have referred to 
a 15.000 MIPS
machine - but people are now routinely referring to 15,000 MIPS machines.

And these days that precision is less justified and - in an era of ugrade on 
demand - less
necessary.

Hence the idea of 15 kMIPS instead of 15,000 MIPS.

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Re: Famous in Baghdad

[Fenner, Jim]

I think the last estimate I read of the number of stars in the universe
is 70 sextillion ... probably an underestimate :-)

Jim



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Re: Famous in Baghdad

[R.S.]

Phil Payne wrote:


http://www.baghdadmuseum.org/ref/?title=Million_instructions_per_second

"Analyst firm Isham Research has lately coined the term kMIPS (kilo-million 
instructions per
second) to measure the processor speeds in IBM's largest servers."


Wow!!!
Phil, last time your radio interview was listened by hundreds of 
millions people - you are more popular than Elvis!.

Now, you're in museum. You invented kMIPS, so original!
It's comparable to wheel or at least penicillin. How many years did it 
take to invent kMIPS ? Or it was just sudden stroke of genius ?


You're really GREAT! And very, very modest, no doubt 

Do you have any fan-club ?

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Re: Famous in Baghdad

[Birger Heede]

Yes UK is definitely different from the US

(Oh you were just talking millions/billions :-)

Birger Heede
IBM Software Group


Gibney, Dave wrote:

   Billion doesn't mean the same quantity in all countries. For example,
I believe UK is different from the US.



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In a message dated 1/9/2006 6:14:48 P.M. Central Standard 
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second)  to measure the processor speeds in IBM's largest  servers."



Why did we skip BIPS?

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Re: Famous in Baghdad

[R.S.]

Hunkeler Peter (KRDO 4) wrote:
At least in German speaking countries, the following terms 
are used:


1 Million   = 10 ^ 6, which corresponds to million in the US
1 Milliarde = 10 ^ 9  -> billion
1 Billion   = 10 ^ 12 -> trillion
1 Billiarde = 10 ^ 15 -> quadrillion
1 Trillion  = 10 ^ 18 -> what's next? quintillion?
etc.


Same in whole (AFAIK) Europe.
10^24 is quadrillion
10^30 is AFAIK pentillion or quintillion (in fact nobody use it)
It's based on greek numerals, like hydrocarbon names.
BTW: 10^100 is 10 hexadecilliards
10 give one zero, hexadecilliard is 1000 hexadecillions which is 
16*group of six zeroes  1+3+16*6=100.


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Re: Famous in Baghdad

[Marian Gasparovic]

Same in Slovakia

On 1/10/06, Hunkeler Peter (KRDO 4) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> At least in German speaking countries, the following terms
> are used:
>
> 1 Million   = 10 ^ 6, which corresponds to million in the US
> 1 Milliarde = 10 ^ 9  -> billion
> 1 Billion   = 10 ^ 12 -> trillion
> 1 Billiarde = 10 ^ 15 -> quadrillion
> 1 Trillion  = 10 ^ 18 -> what's next? quintillion?
> etc.
>
>
> Peter Hunkeler
>
> CREDIT SUISSE
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Re: Famous in Baghdad

[Hunkeler Peter (KRDO 4)]

At least in German speaking countries, the following terms 
are used:

1 Million   = 10 ^ 6, which corresponds to million in the US
1 Milliarde = 10 ^ 9  -> billion
1 Billion   = 10 ^ 12 -> trillion
1 Billiarde = 10 ^ 15 -> quadrillion
1 Trillion  = 10 ^ 18 -> what's next? quintillion?
etc.


Peter Hunkeler

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Re: Famous in Baghdad

[Gibney, Dave]

   Billion doesn't mean the same quantity in all countries. For example,
I believe UK is different from the US.

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> In a message dated 1/9/2006 6:14:48 P.M. Central Standard 
> Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> second)  to measure the processor speeds in IBM's largest  servers."
> >>
> 
> 
> 
> Why did we skip BIPS?
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Re: Famous in Baghdad

[Ed Finnell]

 
In a message dated 1/9/2006 6:14:48 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

second)  to measure the processor speeds in IBM's largest  servers."
>>



Why did we skip BIPS?

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Famous in Baghdad

[Phil Payne]

http://www.baghdadmuseum.org/ref/?title=Million_instructions_per_second

"Analyst firm Isham Research has lately coined the term kMIPS (kilo-million 
instructions per
second) to measure the processor speeds in IBM's largest servers."

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