Re: HSM Question II
Andy, I understand now. The HSM ARECOVER will allow you to rename the HLQ of VSAM even if the VSAM was migrated to ML2. I tried and verified this using DATASETCONFLICT(RENAMETARGET(qualifier))and RECOVERNEWNAMELEVEL(olevel1,nlevel1,...) and RECOVERNEWNAMEALL(level) subparameters. Terry Traylor charlesSCHWAB TIS Mainframe Storage Management Remedy Queue: tis-mfs-storage (602) 977-5154 WARNING: All email sent to or from this address will be received by the Charles Schwab corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy White Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: HSM Question II Terry - Again im not a storage expert but here is my understanding and I dont think I am explaining this correctly. Its my understanding its the dump/restore of migrated dsns is where HSM cant rename VSAM dsns. Im told this is because HSM doent store the components only the cluster name. The datasets are migrated/restored using import/export, so import/export knows about the components, not hsm for hsm to rename components, it needs to know the details or im told doesn't have access to it nor stores it. This is where the problem lies. How do you get around this? I was told by the store people in site that dump/restore of DASD datasets uses adrdssu so then we can rename the VSAM dsns but not migrated ones. I hope this makes the problem we have clearer... Andy S White Internet: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Terry -= Would that include VSAM datasets and components? Thanks Andy S White Internet: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy, You can recover and rename datasets directly from the ABARS backup dataset. I would refer you to the HSM Implementation and Customization Guide and the DSS Storage Administration Reference. //** //* RESTORE FILE(S) FROM ABACKUP DATA FILE //* SEE INDIVIDUAL DATA SET RESTORE WITH ABARS DFSMSDSS DATA FILE IN //* THE DFSMSHSM IMPLEMENTATION AND CUSTOMIZATION GUIDE UNDER THE //* SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS CHAPTER //** //JS010EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //TAPE1DD DISP=OLD,DSN=HSM.APPL01.D.C01V0052, / I Wanted to add to this question what is really the problem for us. When you do a ABARS recover from HSM data its my understanding IBM doesn't give the user the option to rename a VSAM dataset. Does anyone have a way or have gotten around this? We really didnt want to define all the alias's from the system this is all coming from. Original question: We were wondering if anyone has had the same problem as us. We have done a merger with a company but now have a system with a lot of HSM migrated tapes which contains all type of data e,.g. VSAM, PDSE etc. We were going to create ABAR backups but im told by the storage people that it wont handle VSAM correctly if we bring it back to our shop and try to restore it and use it. This would only be restored if we needed it for legal reasons. Has anyone else had this problem? And how did they solve it? We thought about recalling the data to dasd then using something like ADRDSSU or FDR and just back up the backs and do a dcollect so we may get to it some day if needed. The problem is its about 5TB of HSM data and they only have 2 TB of dasd etc Again was wondering if there was an easier solution? If you want to share your thoughts offline id appreciate it. Thanks Andy S White Internet: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The information contained in this message may be CONFIDENTIAL and is for the intended addressee only. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of the information, or copying of this message is prohibited. If you are not the intended addressee, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HSM Question II
Terry - Again im not a storage expert but here is my understanding and I dont think I am explaining this correctly. Its my understanding its the dump/restore of migrated dsns is where HSM cant rename VSAM dsns. Im told this is because HSM doent store the components only the cluster name. The datasets are migrated/restored using import/export, so import/export knows about the components, not hsm for hsm to rename components, it needs to know the details or im told doesn't have access to it nor stores it. This is where the problem lies. How do you get around this? I was told by the store people in site that dump/restore of DASD datasets uses adrdssu so then we can rename the VSAM dsns but not migrated ones. I hope this makes the problem we have clearer... Andy S White Internet: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Terry -= Would that include VSAM datasets and components? Thanks Andy S White Internet: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy, You can recover and rename datasets directly from the ABARS backup dataset. I would refer you to the HSM Implementation and Customization Guide and the DSS Storage Administration Reference. //** //* RESTORE FILE(S) FROM ABACKUP DATA FILE //* SEE INDIVIDUAL DATA SET RESTORE WITH ABARS DFSMSDSS DATA FILE IN //* THE DFSMSHSM IMPLEMENTATION AND CUSTOMIZATION GUIDE UNDER THE //* SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS CHAPTER //** //JS010EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //TAPE1DD DISP=OLD,DSN=HSM.APPL01.D.C01V0052, / I Wanted to add to this question what is really the problem for us. When you do a ABARS recover from HSM data its my understanding IBM doesn't give the user the option to rename a VSAM dataset. Does anyone have a way or have gotten around this? We really didnt want to define all the alias's from the system this is all coming from. Original question: We were wondering if anyone has had the same problem as us. We have done a merger with a company but now have a system with a lot of HSM migrated tapes which contains all type of data e,.g. VSAM, PDSE etc. We were going to create ABAR backups but im told by the storage people that it wont handle VSAM correctly if we bring it back to our shop and try to restore it and use it. This would only be restored if we needed it for legal reasons. Has anyone else had this problem? And how did they solve it? We thought about recalling the data to dasd then using something like ADRDSSU or FDR and just back up the backs and do a dcollect so we may get to it some day if needed. The problem is its about 5TB of HSM data and they only have 2 TB of dasd etc Again was wondering if there was an easier solution? If you want to share your thoughts offline id appreciate it. Thanks Andy S White Internet: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The information contained in this message may be CONFIDENTIAL and is for the intended addressee only. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of the information, or copying of this message is prohibited. If you are not the intended addressee, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HSM Question II
Andy, You could limit your selection to VSAM via the BY sub parameter in the DSS parms. BY( - (DSORG EQ VSAM) - )) - SPHERE is used to get all comoments of a VSAM cluster including AIXs. Terry Traylor charlesSCHWAB TIS Mainframe Storage Management Remedy Queue: tis-mfs-storage (602) 977-5154 WARNING: All email sent to or from this address will be received by the Charles Schwab corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy White Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: HSM Question II Terry -= Would that include VSAM datasets and components? Thanks Andy S White Internet: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy, You can recover and rename datasets directly from the ABARS backup dataset. I would refer you to the HSM Implementation and Customization Guide and the DSS Storage Administration Reference. //** //* RESTORE FILE(S) FROM ABACKUP DATA FILE //* SEE INDIVIDUAL DATA SET RESTORE WITH ABARS DFSMSDSS DATA FILE IN //* THE DFSMSHSM IMPLEMENTATION AND CUSTOMIZATION GUIDE UNDER THE //* SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS CHAPTER //** //JS010EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //TAPE1DD DISP=OLD,DSN=HSM.APPL01.D.C01V0052, //UNIT=3590E, //VOL=SER=C63981, //LABEL=(01,SL) //* LABEL=(,BLP,,IN,EXPDT=98000) //SYSINDD * RESTORE DATASET(INCLUDE( - PGMJPE.** - )) - RENAMEU(**,PGMABM.PGMJPE.**) - INDD(TAPE1) - CATALOG - SPHERE - ADMIN - IMPORT Terry Traylor charlesSCHWAB TIS Mainframe Storage Management Remedy Queue: tis-mfs-storage (602) 977-5154 WARNING: All email sent to or from this address will be received by the Charles Schwab corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy White Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: HSM Question II I Wanted to add to this question what is really the problem for us. When you do a ABARS recover from HSM data its my understanding IBM doesn't give the user the option to rename a VSAM dataset. Does anyone have a way or have gotten around this? We really didnt want to define all the alias's from the system this is all coming from. Original question: We were wondering if anyone has had the same problem as us. We have done a merger with a company but now have a system with a lot of HSM migrated tapes which contains all type of data e,.g. VSAM, PDSE etc. We were going to create ABAR backups but im told by the storage people that it wont handle VSAM correctly if we bring it back to our shop and try to restore it and use it. This would only be restored if we needed it for legal reasons. Has anyone else had this problem? And how did they solve it? We thought about recalling the data to dasd then using something like ADRDSSU or FDR and just back up the backs and do a dcollect so we may get to it some day if needed. The problem is its about 5TB of HSM data and they only have 2 TB of dasd etc Again was wondering if there was an easier solution? If you want to share your thoughts offline id appreciate it. Thanks Andy S White Internet: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The information contained in this message may be CONFIDENTIAL and is for the intended addressee only. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of the information, or copying of this message is prohibited. If you are not the intended addressee, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HSM Question II
SPHERE Terry Traylor charlesSCHWAB TIS Mainframe Storage Management Remedy Queue: tis-mfs-storage (602) 977-5154 WARNING: All email sent to or from this address will be received by the Charles Schwab corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy White Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: HSM Question II Terry -= Would that include VSAM datasets and components? Thanks Andy S White Internet: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy, You can recover and rename datasets directly from the ABARS backup dataset. I would refer you to the HSM Implementation and Customization Guide and the DSS Storage Administration Reference. //** //* RESTORE FILE(S) FROM ABACKUP DATA FILE //* SEE INDIVIDUAL DATA SET RESTORE WITH ABARS DFSMSDSS DATA FILE IN //* THE DFSMSHSM IMPLEMENTATION AND CUSTOMIZATION GUIDE UNDER THE //* SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS CHAPTER //** //JS010EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //TAPE1DD DISP=OLD,DSN=HSM.APPL01.D.C01V0052, //UNIT=3590E, //VOL=SER=C63981, //LABEL=(01,SL) //* LABEL=(,BLP,,IN,EXPDT=98000) //SYSINDD * RESTORE DATASET(INCLUDE( - PGMJPE.** - )) - RENAMEU(**,PGMABM.PGMJPE.**) - INDD(TAPE1) - CATALOG - SPHERE - ADMIN - IMPORT Terry Traylor charlesSCHWAB TIS Mainframe Storage Management Remedy Queue: tis-mfs-storage (602) 977-5154 WARNING: All email sent to or from this address will be received by the Charles Schwab corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy White Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: HSM Question II I Wanted to add to this question what is really the problem for us. When you do a ABARS recover from HSM data its my understanding IBM doesn't give the user the option to rename a VSAM dataset. Does anyone have a way or have gotten around this? We really didnt want to define all the alias's from the system this is all coming from. Original question: We were wondering if anyone has had the same problem as us. We have done a merger with a company but now have a system with a lot of HSM migrated tapes which contains all type of data e,.g. VSAM, PDSE etc. We were going to create ABAR backups but im told by the storage people that it wont handle VSAM correctly if we bring it back to our shop and try to restore it and use it. This would only be restored if we needed it for legal reasons. Has anyone else had this problem? And how did they solve it? We thought about recalling the data to dasd then using something like ADRDSSU or FDR and just back up the backs and do a dcollect so we may get to it some day if needed. The problem is its about 5TB of HSM data and they only have 2 TB of dasd etc Again was wondering if there was an easier solution? If you want to share your thoughts offline id appreciate it. Thanks Andy S White Internet: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The information contained in this message may be CONFIDENTIAL and is for the intended addressee only. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of the information, or copying of this message is prohibited. If you are not the intended addressee, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HSM Question II
Terry -= Would that include VSAM datasets and components? Thanks Andy S White Internet: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy, You can recover and rename datasets directly from the ABARS backup dataset. I would refer you to the HSM Implementation and Customization Guide and the DSS Storage Administration Reference. //** //* RESTORE FILE(S) FROM ABACKUP DATA FILE //* SEE INDIVIDUAL DATA SET RESTORE WITH ABARS DFSMSDSS DATA FILE IN //* THE DFSMSHSM IMPLEMENTATION AND CUSTOMIZATION GUIDE UNDER THE //* SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS CHAPTER //** //JS010EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //TAPE1DD DISP=OLD,DSN=HSM.APPL01.D.C01V0052, //UNIT=3590E, //VOL=SER=C63981, //LABEL=(01,SL) //* LABEL=(,BLP,,IN,EXPDT=98000) //SYSINDD * RESTORE DATASET(INCLUDE( - PGMJPE.** - )) - RENAMEU(**,PGMABM.PGMJPE.**) - INDD(TAPE1) - CATALOG - SPHERE - ADMIN - IMPORT Terry Traylor charlesSCHWAB TIS Mainframe Storage Management Remedy Queue: tis-mfs-storage (602) 977-5154 WARNING: All email sent to or from this address will be received by the Charles Schwab corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy White Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: HSM Question II I Wanted to add to this question what is really the problem for us. When you do a ABARS recover from HSM data its my understanding IBM doesn't give the user the option to rename a VSAM dataset. Does anyone have a way or have gotten around this? We really didnt want to define all the alias's from the system this is all coming from. Original question: We were wondering if anyone has had the same problem as us. We have done a merger with a company but now have a system with a lot of HSM migrated tapes which contains all type of data e,.g. VSAM, PDSE etc. We were going to create ABAR backups but im told by the storage people that it wont handle VSAM correctly if we bring it back to our shop and try to restore it and use it. This would only be restored if we needed it for legal reasons. Has anyone else had this problem? And how did they solve it? We thought about recalling the data to dasd then using something like ADRDSSU or FDR and just back up the backs and do a dcollect so we may get to it some day if needed. The problem is its about 5TB of HSM data and they only have 2 TB of dasd etc Again was wondering if there was an easier solution? If you want to share your thoughts offline id appreciate it. Thanks Andy S White Internet: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The information contained in this message may be CONFIDENTIAL and is for the intended addressee only. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of the information, or copying of this message is prohibited. If you are not the intended addressee, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HSM Question II
Andy, You can recover and rename datasets directly from the ABARS backup dataset. I would refer you to the HSM Implementation and Customization Guide and the DSS Storage Administration Reference. //** //* RESTORE FILE(S) FROM ABACKUP DATA FILE //* SEE INDIVIDUAL DATA SET RESTORE WITH ABARS DFSMSDSS DATA FILE IN //* THE DFSMSHSM IMPLEMENTATION AND CUSTOMIZATION GUIDE UNDER THE //* SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS CHAPTER //** //JS010EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //TAPE1DD DISP=OLD,DSN=HSM.APPL01.D.C01V0052, //UNIT=3590E, //VOL=SER=C63981, //LABEL=(01,SL) //* LABEL=(,BLP,,IN,EXPDT=98000) //SYSINDD * RESTORE DATASET(INCLUDE( - PGMJPE.** - )) - RENAMEU(**,PGMABM.PGMJPE.**) - INDD(TAPE1) - CATALOG - SPHERE - ADMIN - IMPORT Terry Traylor charlesSCHWAB TIS Mainframe Storage Management Remedy Queue: tis-mfs-storage (602) 977-5154 WARNING: All email sent to or from this address will be received by the Charles Schwab corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy White Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: HSM Question II I Wanted to add to this question what is really the problem for us. When you do a ABARS recover from HSM data its my understanding IBM doesn't give the user the option to rename a VSAM dataset. Does anyone have a way or have gotten around this? We really didnt want to define all the alias's from the system this is all coming from. Original question: We were wondering if anyone has had the same problem as us. We have done a merger with a company but now have a system with a lot of HSM migrated tapes which contains all type of data e,.g. VSAM, PDSE etc. We were going to create ABAR backups but im told by the storage people that it wont handle VSAM correctly if we bring it back to our shop and try to restore it and use it. This would only be restored if we needed it for legal reasons. Has anyone else had this problem? And how did they solve it? We thought about recalling the data to dasd then using something like ADRDSSU or FDR and just back up the backs and do a dcollect so we may get to it some day if needed. The problem is its about 5TB of HSM data and they only have 2 TB of dasd etc Again was wondering if there was an easier solution? If you want to share your thoughts offline id appreciate it. Thanks Andy S White Internet: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The information contained in this message may be CONFIDENTIAL and is for the intended addressee only. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of the information, or copying of this message is prohibited. If you are not the intended addressee, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
HSM Question II
I Wanted to add to this question what is really the problem for us. When you do a ABARS recover from HSM data its my understanding IBM doesn't give the user the option to rename a VSAM dataset. Does anyone have a way or have gotten around this? We really didnt want to define all the alias's from the system this is all coming from. Original question: We were wondering if anyone has had the same problem as us. We have done a merger with a company but now have a system with a lot of HSM migrated tapes which contains all type of data e,.g. VSAM, PDSE etc. We were going to create ABAR backups but im told by the storage people that it wont handle VSAM correctly if we bring it back to our shop and try to restore it and use it. This would only be restored if we needed it for legal reasons. Has anyone else had this problem? And how did they solve it? We thought about recalling the data to dasd then using something like ADRDSSU or FDR and just back up the backs and do a dcollect so we may get to it some day if needed. The problem is its about 5TB of HSM data and they only have 2 TB of dasd etc Again was wondering if there was an easier solution? If you want to share your thoughts offline id appreciate it. Thanks Andy S White Internet: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The information contained in this message may be CONFIDENTIAL and is for the intended addressee only. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of the information, or copying of this message is prohibited. If you are not the intended addressee, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html