Re: How to break out CPU-time

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In , on
03/19/2010
   at 04:02 PM, George Henke  said:

>According the the "Anthropic Principle"  vis-a-vis the quantum
>physicists, it is "observer created reality". 

No. 
 
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Re: How to break out CPU-time

[Donald Johnson]

Thanks for these great ideas...I have some homework to do, and will followup
if I have more questions.

Thanks again!
Don

On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Kelman, Tom  wrote:

> z/XPF is a pretty good product.  I believe it is the one a previous post
> mentioned that user the trace tables.  I saw the demo at CMG 2009.  The
> only problem for my shop is that it doesn't get inside CICS yet, but
> they said they're working on that.
>
> Tom Kelman
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> > I have a started task that performs a number of functions. In CA
> Sysview
> > or SDSF I can see the total elapsed time and CPU time, I/O etc. for
> the
> > overall task. Is there any way to get a more detailed breakdown of
> these
> > summary numbers? For instance, can I break down the CPU time into more
> > detail to see what is actually consuming these cycles?
> >
> > 
> >
> > There is a new product for this called z/XPF that Dave Cole has on his
> > web site (www.colesoft.com). You might want to give it a try.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Steve Thompson
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Re: How to break out CPU-time

[Kelman, Tom]

z/XPF is a pretty good product.  I believe it is the one a previous post
mentioned that user the trace tables.  I saw the demo at CMG 2009.  The
only problem for my shop is that it doesn't get inside CICS yet, but
they said they're working on that.

Tom Kelman
Enterprise Capacity Planner
Commerce Bank of Kansas City
(816) 760-7632
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> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
> Behalf Of Thompson, Steve
> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 3:50 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: How to break out CPU-time
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Donald Johnson
> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 1:56 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: How to break out CPU-time
> 
> I have a started task that performs a number of functions. In CA
Sysview
> or SDSF I can see the total elapsed time and CPU time, I/O etc. for
the
> overall task. Is there any way to get a more detailed breakdown of
these
> summary numbers? For instance, can I break down the CPU time into more
> detail to see what is actually consuming these cycles?
> 
> 
> 
> There is a new product for this called z/XPF that Dave Cole has on his
> web site (www.colesoft.com). You might want to give it a try.
> 
> Regards,
> Steve Thompson
> 
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Re: How to break out CPU-time

[Thompson, Steve]

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Subject: How to break out CPU-time

I have a started task that performs a number of functions. In CA Sysview
or SDSF I can see the total elapsed time and CPU time, I/O etc. for the
overall task. Is there any way to get a more detailed breakdown of these
summary numbers? For instance, can I break down the CPU time into more
detail to see what is actually consuming these cycles?



There is a new product for this called z/XPF that Dave Cole has on his
web site (www.colesoft.com). You might want to give it a try.

Regards,
Steve Thompson

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Re: How to break out CPU-time

[Ted MacNEIL]

>If you really want to get granular, STROBE is an excellent tool, just havinng 
>spend the last 3 days buried in it.  It also has a nice GUI for the reports.

It also has restrictions you can't get around.
If you're doing get/free mains, you can't see them, because strobe goes for the 
as lock, and you need that for strobe to peek.

Don't get me wrong, it's a good product, but you have to understand it's 
limitations.

And, those are expensive activities.

There's another product that's better, but I've only seen it in presentations 
and not in action.

It catches free/get, because it uses the trace table(s).

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Re: How to break out CPU-time

[Donald Johnson]

No problem, just more of a curiosity about why a task that is sitting and
doing nothing yet (we are in the middle of implementing something) would be
rolling up minimal CPU. We figure it must be some heartbeat kind of
checking.

Thanks for the direction, and guidance on the monitor impact.
Don

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Ted MacNEIL  wrote:

> >For instance, can I break down the CPU time into more
> detail to see what is actually consuming these cycles?
>
> You need a monitor like OMEGAMON, or a GTF trace.
> You also need a real reason to do it, because (Heisenberg) the monitors can
> get in the way of what they're monitoring.
>
> Are you solving a problem, or are you just curious?
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Re: How to break out CPU-time

[George Henke]

If you really want to get granular, STROBE is an excellent tool, just
havinng spend the last 3 days buried in it.  It also has a nice GUI for the
reports.

And if you really want to get granular the Indexing feature will actually
show how much CPU each line of code in your program is using.

>You also need a real reason to do it, because (Heisenberg) the monitors
>can get in the way of what they're monitoring.
btw:  Heisenberg's Rule of Uncertainty is fair more than merely
"experimental clumsiness".

According the the "Anthropic Principle"  vis-a-vis the quantum physicists,
it is "observer created reality".  You know, like the "tree in the forest"
or even better yet, the "Big Bang".

Who was around for that?

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Ted MacNEIL  wrote:

> >For instance, can I break down the CPU time into more
> detail to see what is actually consuming these cycles?
>
> You need a monitor like OMEGAMON, or a GTF trace.
> You also need a real reason to do it, because (Heisenberg) the monitors can
> get in the way of what they're monitoring.
>
> Are you solving a problem, or are you just curious?
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Re: How to break out CPU-time

[Ted MacNEIL]

>For instance, can I break down the CPU time into more
detail to see what is actually consuming these cycles?

You need a monitor like OMEGAMON, or a GTF trace.
You also need a real reason to do it, because (Heisenberg) the monitors can get 
in the way of what they're monitoring.

Are you solving a problem, or are you just curious?
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How to break out CPU-time

[Donald Johnson]

I have a started task that performs a number of functions. In CA Sysview
or SDSF I can see the total elapsed time and CPU time, I/O etc. for the
overall task. Is there any way to get a more detailed breakdown of these
summary numbers? For instance, can I break down the CPU time into more
detail to see what is actually consuming these cycles?

Thank you for your suggestions.
D

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