Re: How to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

2006-11-16 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Or, when you decide to do a cleanup of old stuff, delete a couple of
uncataloged HASPCKPTs and then discover that *the* haspckpt was among
them. Only then you realize what the ABSTR JCL statement is good for...

Or, do a $PQ command in the early 80's, when JES2 still accepted it
without parameters. This was the fasted Cold Start I ever saw...

Kees.


Matthew Stitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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 You haven't even lived until you forget to update the IPL bootstrap
records
 on the only sysres you've got that is supposed to work.
 
 Got the scars to prove it. g
 
 On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:30:54 -0600, Rick Fochtman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 
 --snip
 Can't be much fun being a trainee sysprog any more - wasn't this one
of
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 I guess deleting the MCAT (and getting it back before anyone notices)
is
 also passe ...
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Re: How to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

2006-11-16 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Or, do a $PQ command in the early 80's, when JES2 still accepted it without 
parameters. This was the fasted Cold Start I ever saw...

March 14th, 1981.
Second week on the job.
When in doubt.
PANIC!!  

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Re: How to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

2006-11-16 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 11/15/2006
   at 05:35 PM, Matthew Stitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

You haven't even lived until you forget to update the IPL bootstrap
records on the only sysres you've got that is supposed to work.

While the scope is local rather than global, you haven't lived until
you realize that you type

EXEC CMS ERASE

when you meant to type

ERASE CMS EXEC

Fastest PA1 in the East
 
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Re: How to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

2006-11-15 Thread Peter Relson
The easiest method to compress a library ...

I hope no one is contemplating compressing a SYS1.LINKLIB that is currently
in use on an active system

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Re: How to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

2006-11-15 Thread Shane
On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 08:28 -0500, Peter Relson wrote:
 The easiest method to compress a library ...
 
 I hope no one is contemplating compressing a SYS1.LINKLIB that is currently
 in use on an active system

Can't be much fun being a trainee sysprog any more - wasn't this one of
the rites of passage ???.
I guess deleting the MCAT (and getting it back before anyone notices) is
also passe ...
Not to mention ... 
Whoa, better stop - ain't Friday yet, even here in the Antipodes.

Shane ...

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Re: How to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

2006-11-15 Thread Rick Fochtman

--snip
Can't be much fun being a trainee sysprog any more - wasn't this one of 
the rites of passage ???.
I guess deleting the MCAT (and getting it back before anyone notices) is 
also passe ...

Not to mention ...
Whoa, better stop - ain't Friday yet, even here in the Antipodes.
-unsnip-
My first rite of passage was a complete OS/360 System 
Generation...without asking for help or a look at the previous 'gen! G


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Re: How to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

2006-11-15 Thread Matthew Stitt
You haven't even lived until you forget to update the IPL bootstrap records
on the only sysres you've got that is supposed to work.

Got the scars to prove it. g

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:30:54 -0600, Rick Fochtman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

--snip
Can't be much fun being a trainee sysprog any more - wasn't this one of
the rites of passage ???.
I guess deleting the MCAT (and getting it back before anyone notices) is
also passe ...
Not to mention ...
Whoa, better stop - ain't Friday yet, even here in the Antipodes.
-unsnip-
My first rite of passage was a complete OS/360 System
Generation...without asking for help or a look at the previous 'gen! G

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Re: How to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

2006-11-14 Thread Matthew Stitt
The easiest method to compress a library for maintenance runs is to use the
SMP/E option COMPRESS(xx), or COMPRESS(ALL), where xx is the name of
the specific library(ies) to compress.  SMP/E will delete all the modules
which are to be changed, then compress the library, then apply the maintenance.

But there is no subsitute to having SMP/E point to copies of the datasets,
and not trying your luck with the running stuff.

On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:56:16 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 11/09/2006
   at 10:08 PM, Bob Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Is there a SAFE way to expand the size of SYS1.LINKLIB?

Yes - on a target volume that you're not currently running from. Any
maintenance to the system you're running from puts you at risk.

I need to apply a PTF to a module in LINKLIB but I'm afraid it will
cause it to go  into a secondary extent.

If you're talking about your live SYS1.LINKLIB then there may be other
risks as well. But it's not my dog.

Is there an easier (and safe) way to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

Safe? No, but safer. Make a copy with a larger primary. Rename
original. Rename copy. IPL.

At you leisure, redo your maintenance strategy so that it does not
require updating the running system and you;ll save yourself a lot of
grief.


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Re: How to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

2006-11-14 Thread Rick Fochtman

---snip-
The easiest method to compress a library for maintenance runs is to use 
the SMP/E option COMPRESS(xx), or COMPRESS(ALL), where xx is the 
name of the specific library(ies) to compress. SMP/E will delete all the 
modules which are to be changed, then compress the library, then apply 
the maintenance.

unsnip
But God help you if IEBCOPY happens to be getting an update.!

---snip-
But there is no subsitute to having SMP/E point to copies of the 
datasets, and not trying your luck with the running stuff.

-unsnip-
AMEN, BROTHER!

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Re: How to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

2006-11-12 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 11/09/2006
   at 10:08 PM, Bob Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Is there a SAFE way to expand the size of SYS1.LINKLIB? 

Yes - on a target volume that you're not currently running from. Any
maintenance to the system you're running from puts you at risk.

I need to apply a PTF to a module in LINKLIB but I'm afraid it will 
cause it to go  into a secondary extent.

If you're talking about your live SYS1.LINKLIB then there may be other
risks as well. But it's not my dog.

Is there an easier (and safe) way to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

Safe? No, but safer. Make a copy with a larger primary. Rename
original. Rename copy. IPL.

At you leisure, redo your maintenance strategy so that it does not
require updating the running system and you;ll save yourself a lot of
grief.
 
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Re: How to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

2006-11-10 Thread Lizette Koehler
Depending on this module, you might be able to temporarily move it to
another data set in the LINKLST and use it until you can get the
SYS1.LINKLIB fixed.  But only if the fix is urgent enough to install.  Or
look at MLPA as an alternative until you get SYS1.LINKLIB fixed.  If it
isn't urgent, then the following would need to be done.  

Are you using SYMDEF which uses indirect catalog for SYSRES Volumes?  If
yes, then just close the pack, implement the maintenance on the clone, then
IPL.

If not, then you will need to clone and clip as others have suggested.

You also might have other issues in the Linklst, so a review of all datasets
might be in order.

Just my two cents worth.


Lizette

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Re: How to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

2006-11-10 Thread Peter Relson
No, there is no safe way to expand SYS1.LINKLIB on the running system.

If you want an unsafe way,
- create a copy of SYS1.LINKLIB such as SYS1.LINKLIB.COPY
- create a LNKLST set that specifies NOCHECK and includes SYS1.LINKLIB.COPY
in the right place along with specifying SYS1.MIGLIB and SYS1.CSSLIB in the
right places (and if you're on z/OS 1.8, SYS1.SIEALNKE and SYS1.SIEAMIGE).
- activate that LNKLST set
- get all users off of the old LNKLST. This is unpredictably dangerous
(ranging from harmless to fatal), such as by SETPROG LNKLST UPDATE JOB(*).
Now no in-use LNKLST has SYS1.LINKLIB.
- get LLA to stop using SYS1.LINKLIB. A REMOVE statement in CSVLLAxx might
do it. Or you might have to purge LLA.
- Now there is no one using SYS1.LINKLIB and the system's ENQs on
SYS1.LINKLIB will be released.
- Now you can do whatever you want with SYS1.LINKLIB.
- And then if you're equally adventurous you can repeat this process doing
the analogous stuff to get rid of SYS1.LINKLIB.COPY and restore use of
SYS1.LINKLIB.

Peter Relson
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Re: How to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

2006-11-10 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 22:08:57 -0600, Bob Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

Is there a SAFE way to expand the size of SYS1.LINKLIB? I have a z/OS 1.6
ADCD system where SYS1.LINKLIB is using all of its primary extent. I need
to apply a PTF to a module in LINKLIB but I'm afraid it will cause it to go
into a secondary extent. Why it was set up with the exact number of tracks
for primary allocation and then given a secondary allocation I'll never
know. There is a one pack IPL-able system on the ADCD I could use but it
will take quite a bit to set it up. Is there an easier (and safe) way to
expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

Nothing to it.  When you clone your target zone to apply the
maintenance, just make SYS1.LINKLIB bigger on the new target volume.

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Re: How to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

2006-11-10 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Peter Relson
 
 No, there is no safe way to expand SYS1.LINKLIB on the running system.
 
 If you want an unsafe way,
 - create a copy of SYS1.LINKLIB such as SYS1.LINKLIB.COPY
 - create a LNKLST set that specifies NOCHECK and includes 
 SYS1.LINKLIB.COPY in the right place along with specifying 
 SYS1.MIGLIB and SYS1.CSSLIB in the right places (and if 
 you're on z/OS 1.8, SYS1.SIEALNKE and SYS1.SIEAMIGE).
 - activate that LNKLST set
 - get all users off of the old LNKLST. This is unpredictably 
 dangerous (ranging from harmless to fatal), ...

Another way to say that might be, Results may vary between 'ho-hum' and
'reinstall everything' inclusive.

   -jc-

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Re: How to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

2006-11-10 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:21:08 -0600, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Peter Relson


 - get all users off of the old LNKLST. This is unpredictably
 dangerous (ranging from harmless to fatal), ...

Another way to say that might be, Results may vary between 'ho-hum' and
'reinstall everything' inclusive.


It's not going to cause you to reinstall.  IPL, yes.  Install, no.

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Re: How to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

2006-11-10 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:01:31 -0500, Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

No, there is no safe way to expand SYS1.LINKLIB on the running system.

If you want an unsafe way,
- create a copy of SYS1.LINKLIB such as SYS1.LINKLIB.COPY
- create a LNKLST set that specifies NOCHECK and includes SYS1.LINKLIB.COPY
in the right place along with specifying SYS1.MIGLIB and SYS1.CSSLIB in the
right places (and if you're on z/OS 1.8, SYS1.SIEALNKE and SYS1.SIEAMIGE).
- activate that LNKLST set
- get all users off of the old LNKLST. This is unpredictably dangerous
(ranging from harmless to fatal), such as by SETPROG LNKLST UPDATE JOB(*).
Now no in-use LNKLST has SYS1.LINKLIB.
- get LLA to stop using SYS1.LINKLIB. A REMOVE statement in CSVLLAxx might
do it. Or you might have to purge LLA.
- Now there is no one using SYS1.LINKLIB and the system's ENQs on
SYS1.LINKLIB will be released.
- Now you can do whatever you want with SYS1.LINKLIB.
- And then if you're equally adventurous you can repeat this process doing
the analogous stuff to get rid of SYS1.LINKLIB.COPY and restore use of
SYS1.LINKLIB.

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design



How heavily used is this ADCD system?  While most if not all will tell you
not to attempt this on a live system, I have contracted at several very 
small environments using an ADCD system that didn't have anything set
up for cloning new sysres volumes, indirect cataloging etc. and have
used the unsafe method outlined above. You are probably in the same
boat, so I'm sure you don't want to go through all the trouble of
setting up a cloned system for 1 PTF.  Perhaps you don't have the
expertise even to do that.  

Another option - which is safe - is to create the copy of SYS1.LINKLIB
and specify it in PROGxx as SYSLIB LINKLIB(SYS1.LINKLIB.COPY) and IPL.
Then apply your PTF to SYS1.LINKLIB (I don't think your OP said it had 
to be applied to the running system). Then you can remove the SYSLIB
or replace the specification with an empty dummy library and
re-ipl with SYS1.LINKLIB.  If you decide to leave in SYSLIB LINKLIB(dsn),
make sure you specifically add SYS1.LINKLIB to the LNKLST set. 

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Re: How to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

2006-11-10 Thread Jack Kelly
unless something has changed, you can change a dsn to multiple extents by 
coding a space parm with secondary extents and outputing to the dsn. if 
you add secondary extents to a lnklst lib though you better ipl soon(ish) 
or the ab/s106 daemons will attack.

Jack Kelly
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Re: How to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

2006-11-10 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 11/10/2006 9:03:53 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

unless  something has changed, you can change a dsn to multiple extents by 
coding  a space parm with secondary extents and outputing to the dsn. if 
you add  secondary extents to a lnklst lib though you better ipl soon(ish) 
or the  ab/s106 daemons will attack.




I saw this happen to a fairly seasoned sysprog. Tried to apply maint and  
LINKLIB went to secondary and IEBCOPY via SMP got a S106
and were left with an unIPLable system. Did have a current backup
but the maint was so out of synch had to start over.
 
There's provisions in Software manufacturing to STEPLIB to  CPAC.LINKLIB. If 
you get in too big a hurry steps get  missed/skipped 

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Re: How to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

2006-11-10 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:39:01 EST, Ed Finnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

unless  something has changed, you can change a dsn to multiple extents by
coding  a space parm with secondary extents and outputing to the dsn. if
you add  secondary extents to a lnklst lib though you better ipl soon(ish)
or the  ab/s106 daemons will attack.


I saw this happen to a fairly seasoned sysprog. Tried to apply maint and
LINKLIB went to secondary and IEBCOPY via SMP got a S106
and were left with an unIPLable system. Did have a current backup
but the maint was so out of synch had to start over.

There's provisions in Software manufacturing to STEPLIB to  CPAC.LINKLIB. If
you get in too big a hurry steps get  missed/skipped


Exactly... if you are going to ever apply to a running system and
that maintenance hits a LNKLST library, make sure you at least
add a STEPLIB to the affected libraries in your SMP/E JCL. In particular 
SYS1.LINKLIB, SYS1.MIGLIB, and SYS1.CSSLIB.  This won't prevent the
S106 issues later but at least you should be okay after an IPL (or
dynamic LNKLST update assuming that doesn't abend also). 

Mark
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Re: How to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

2006-11-10 Thread Wayne Driscoll
Peter,
While this method should work in better than 90% of the time, I would
strongly recommend that you have an updated copy of your resume before
you try this!
Wayne Driscoll
Product Developer
JME Software LLC
NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own.
  

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Peter Relson
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:02 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: How to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

No, there is no safe way to expand SYS1.LINKLIB on the running system.

If you want an unsafe way,
- create a copy of SYS1.LINKLIB such as SYS1.LINKLIB.COPY
- create a LNKLST set that specifies NOCHECK and includes
SYS1.LINKLIB.COPY in the right place along with specifying SYS1.MIGLIB
and SYS1.CSSLIB in the right places (and if you're on z/OS 1.8,
SYS1.SIEALNKE and SYS1.SIEAMIGE).
- activate that LNKLST set
- get all users off of the old LNKLST. This is unpredictably dangerous
(ranging from harmless to fatal), such as by SETPROG LNKLST UPDATE
JOB(*).
Now no in-use LNKLST has SYS1.LINKLIB.
- get LLA to stop using SYS1.LINKLIB. A REMOVE statement in CSVLLAxx
might do it. Or you might have to purge LLA.
- Now there is no one using SYS1.LINKLIB and the system's ENQs on
SYS1.LINKLIB will be released.
- Now you can do whatever you want with SYS1.LINKLIB.
- And then if you're equally adventurous you can repeat this process
doing the analogous stuff to get rid of SYS1.LINKLIB.COPY and restore
use of SYS1.LINKLIB.

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design

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How to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

2006-11-09 Thread Bob Henry
Is there a SAFE way to expand the size of SYS1.LINKLIB? I have a z/OS 1.6 
ADCD system where SYS1.LINKLIB is using all of its primary extent. I need 
to apply a PTF to a module in LINKLIB but I'm afraid it will cause it to go 
into a secondary extent. Why it was set up with the exact number of tracks 
for primary allocation and then given a secondary allocation I'll never 
know. There is a one pack IPL-able system on the ADCD I could use but it 
will take quite a bit to set it up. Is there an easier (and safe) way to 
expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

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Re: How to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

2006-11-09 Thread Ed Gould

Bob,

If are asking to do this in a LIVE (running) environment, I would say  
NO.


If you are asking about a copy of the pack then there are at least 2  
ways. User FDR to consolidate extents then compress it.


The other way is to copy the data set to another pack and delete it  
and reallocate it. Again this is with a duplicate pack copy.


Ed


Ed
On Nov 9, 2006, at 10:08 PM, Bob Henry wrote:

Is there a SAFE way to expand the size of SYS1.LINKLIB? I have a z/ 
OS 1.6
ADCD system where SYS1.LINKLIB is using all of its primary extent.  
I need
to apply a PTF to a module in LINKLIB but I'm afraid it will cause  
it to go
into a secondary extent. Why it was set up with the exact number of  
tracks
for primary allocation and then given a secondary allocation I'll  
never
know. There is a one pack IPL-able system on the ADCD I could use  
but it
will take quite a bit to set it up. Is there an easier (and safe)  
way to

expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

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Re: How to expand SYS1.LINKLIB?

2006-11-09 Thread Eric N. Bielefeld
The safe way is to copy the IPL pack to another volume.  Expand SYS1.LINKLIB 
on that pack, and then IPL from that pack after clipping it to the same 
volser as you had before.  I hope you are not planning on running SMP jobs 
agains the live IPL pack.  That could lead to disaster.  If you applied the 
maintenance to a copy of your IPL pack, and SYS1.LINKLIB went into extents, 
you could try compressing SYS1.LINKLIB on your alternate IPL pack and seeing 
if it fits in 1 extent.


Eric Bielefeld
Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer
Milwaukee Wisconsin
414-475-7434

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Is there a SAFE way to expand the size of SYS1.LINKLIB? I have a z/OS 1.6
ADCD system where SYS1.LINKLIB is using all of its primary extent. I need
to apply a PTF to a module in LINKLIB but I'm afraid it will cause it to 
go

into a secondary extent. Why it was set up with the exact number of tracks
for primary allocation and then given a secondary allocation I'll never
know. There is a one pack IPL-able system on the ADCD I could use but it
will take quite a bit to set it up. Is there an easier (and safe) way to
expand SYS1.LINKLIB?



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