Re: IBM Announcements Today
In 4da4b490.7030...@bremultibank.com.pl, on 04/12/2011 at 10:22 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl said: So, IBM simply closed way for independent vendor blades. No. What does it mean??? Management covers a multitude of sins. Yes, centralized management could be a value added, but it's NOT crucial for the application. Lots of things are not crucial for the application but still add enough value to be worth the expense. Couldn't ISAO live without such management? Il va sans dire. But that's not the relevant question. I strongly doubt. No doubt, but that conveys no information. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Radek, with every integrated solution you can say you can buy individual things and put them together. Of course. It is the controlling logic that makes it integrated, in this case zManager. Power blades in zBX - I don't think there are other than IBM Power blades, IBM decided to support one kind of blade in three (IIRC) possible configurations. And if you use a supported blade, it will work because it was tested. When you plug the blade, its firmware will be customized so that zManager can talk to it. You can buy the blade from IBM or from BP. x86 blades - I admit I have not studied the announcement yet, I assume there will be again some set of blades which are supported, presumably IBM blades. I don't know if you can mix IBM/HP/Dell/etc blades in one bladecenter anywhere (please correct me if I am wrong). So when you get bladecenter from one vendor you use its blades there. ISAOPT - again, customized firmware, customized OS with application. For ISAOPT purposes you really want to have a full control over hardware, firmware, OS and application, it is a black box, you want everything to work as expected, without deviations. (BTW, in these days I am at customer implementing ISAOPT). All hw (z196, blades, switches, bladecenters) firmware is updated from one place, so when there are new MCLs you get them from IBM, from one place. How many times you had problems that some servers/switches/whatever were on old firmware and it was recognized only when problem occurred ? Many distributed people ignore firmware updates. Marian Gasparovic IBM Slovakia On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:22 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote: W dniu 2011-04-12 21:33, Marian Gasparovic pisze: cabinet. Even connected to the mainframe using dedicated link. What's the value added? ISAO (IBM Smart Analytic Optimizer) is probably first application running on zBX. Couldn't it run on loosely connected powerBlades? (To be more accurate: part ot ISAO runs on z/OS+DB2, part runs on power blades.) Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland tej wiadomo ci mo e ISAOPT runs on x blades, not Power. But they are not general purpose x blades as announced today, they are part of a blackbox ISAOPT solution. So, IBM simply closed way for independent vendor blades. This is not a reason, it is result of someone's decision. Added value - management by zManager for virtual servers, servicebility/waranty as for System z, integrated 10 Gbps network managed from HMC, dedicated management network which handles also firmware updates (blades are updated from HMC when CE comes with MCLs). Yes, management. What does it mean??? I can manage my blades without using HMC. Yes, centralized management could be a value added, but it's NOT crucial for the application. Couldn't ISAO live without such management? I strongly doubt. 10Gbps OSA - available without zBX. In botH mainframe and PC. Regards Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland tej wiadomo ci mo e zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wy cznie do u ytku s bowego adresata. Odbiorc e by jedynie jej adresat z wy czeniem dost pu os b trzecich. Je eli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomo ci lub pracownikiem upowa nionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dzia anie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i mo e by karalne. Je eli otrzyma wiadomo omy kowo, prosimy niezw ocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysy c odpowied oraz trwale usun wiadomo czaj c w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl d Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru S dowego, nr rejestru przedsi biorc w KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. ug stanu na dzie 01.01.2011 r. kapita zak adowy BRE Banku SA (w ca ci wp acony) wynosi 168.346.696 z otych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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W dniu 2011-04-13 08:26, Marian Gasparovic pisze: [...] It is the controlling logic that makes it integrated, in this case zManager. It's still managemnet for management. While centralized management is fine, it's still not crucial for the applications to run. (see also end of my post) Power blades in zBX - I don't think there are other than IBM Power blades, IBM decided to support one kind of blade in three (IIRC) possible configurations. And if you use a supported blade, it will work because it was tested. It is not my intention to look for competitor vendors or manufacturers. In this case single provider means single and consistent responsibility for the solution it is important, but still not crucial for the application. [...] I don't know if you can mix IBM/HP/Dell/etc blades in one bladecenter anywhere (please correct me if I am wrong). Marian, you should know it! ;-) Obviously it is alway proprietary solution! HP blade does not fit the Dell cabinet. Blades are incompatible in hardware meaning. (Of course every Intel/AMD based blade is regular PC from OS point of view.) All hw (z196, blades, switches, bladecenters) firmware is updated from one place, so when there are new MCLs you get them from IBM, from one place. How many times you had problems that some servers/switches/whatever were on old firmware and it was recognized only when problem occurred ? Many distributed people ignore firmware updates. And again: management. BTW: you mentioned switches. I think you mean Ethernet switches, however that remains me another kind of switches used in mainframe environment: FICON switches. IBM sells (but not produce) such switches, they are supported for mainframe FICON applications. Obviously such switches are very important piece of mainframe hardware. Why IBM does not provide centralized management on HMC or MCL updates? Why can't I have such switches integrated with the system z? (Hint: System Automation is not applicable here. It is separately paid, it is nt HMC based, it does not provide many features like MCL updates). I see serious inconsistency here: zBX, ethernet switches are centrally managed, but not FICON switches. The only answer that comes to mind is: it is political issue, not technical. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2011 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.346.696 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
IBM Announcements Today
http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.jsp?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/8/897/ENUS111-078/index.htmlbreadCrum=DET001PT022url=buttonpressed=DET001PT116page=1000paneltext1=DET001PEF011user+type=EXTlang=en_USInfoType=ANInfoSubType=CAInfoDesc=Announcement+Letterspanelurl=index.wss%3Fbuttonpressed%3DDET001PT116%26page%3D1000%26paneltext1%3DDET001PEF011%26user%2Btype%3DEXTpaneltext=Announcement%20letter%20search Windows will run on zEntreprise zBX. -- Carlos Bodra IBM zSeries Certified Specialist Sao Paulo - Brazil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Read closely, don't just scan it. Windows is being supported if you want to run it on an x blade server. It does not mean Windows will run on the z server platform in any environment. On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:15:18 -0300, Carlos Bodra - Pessoal cbo...@terra.com.br wrote: http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.jsp?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/8/897/ENUS111-078/index.htmlbreadCrum=DET001PT022url=buttonpressed=DET001PT116page=1000paneltext1=DET001PEF011user+type=EXTlang=en_USInfoType=ANInfoSubType=CAamp;InfoDesc=Announcement+Letterspanelurl=index.wss%3Fbuttonpressed%3DDET001PT116%26page%3D1000%26paneltext1%3DDET001PEF011%26user%2Btype%3DEXTpaneltext=Announcement%20letter%20search Windows will run on zEntreprise zBX. -- Carlos Bodra IBM zSeries Certified Specialist Sao Paulo - Brazil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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W dniu 2011-04-12 14:23, Matthew Stitt pisze: Read closely, don't just scan it. Windows is being supported if you want to run it on an x blade server. It does not mean Windows will run on the z server platform in any environment. Well. 10 years ago it was also possible to install run windows on xServer, even in blade, even standing close to mainframe cabinet. Even connected to the mainframe using dedicated link. What's the value added? ISAO (IBM Smart Analytic Optimizer) is probably first application running on zBX. Couldn't it run on loosely connected powerBlades? (To be more accurate: part ot ISAO runs on z/OS+DB2, part runs on power blades.) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2011 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.346.696 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Really ?. quote zEnterprise home-page The IBM zEnterprise System includes the zEnterprise 196 (z196), the zEnterprise BladeCenter Extension (zBX) with its integrated optimizers and/or select IBM blades, and the Unified Resource Manager (zManager). /quote. Shane ... On Tue, Apr 12th, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Matthew Stitt wrote: Read closely, don't just scan it. Windows is being supported if you want to run it on an x blade server. It does not mean Windows will run on the z server platform in any environment. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In 1302611570.4da4467279...@postoffice.tpg.com.au, on 04/12/2011 at 10:32 PM, Shane Ginnane ibm-m...@tpg.com.au said: Really ?. Yes. quote zEnterprise home-page Read it carefully. Note the distinction between zEnterprise 196 (z196) and zEnterprise BladeCenter Extension (zBX). -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In 4da445df.6070...@bremultibank.com.pl, on 04/12/2011 at 02:30 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl said: What's the value added? Management. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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cabinet. Even connected to the mainframe using dedicated link. What's the value added? ISAO (IBM Smart Analytic Optimizer) is probably first application running on zBX. Couldn't it run on loosely connected powerBlades? (To be more accurate: part ot ISAO runs on z/OS+DB2, part runs on power blades.) Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland tej wiadomo ci mo e ISAOPT runs on x blades, not Power. But they are not general purpose x blades as announced today, they are part of a blackbox ISAOPT solution. Added value - management by zManager for virtual servers, servicebility/waranty as for System z, integrated 10 Gbps network managed from HMC, dedicated management network which handles also firmware updates (blades are updated from HMC when CE comes with MCLs). Marian Gasparovic IBM Slovakia -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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W dniu 2011-04-12 21:33, Marian Gasparovic pisze: cabinet. Even connected to the mainframe using dedicated link. What's the value added? ISAO (IBM Smart Analytic Optimizer) is probably first application running on zBX. Couldn't it run on loosely connected powerBlades? (To be more accurate: part ot ISAO runs on z/OS+DB2, part runs on power blades.) Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland tej wiadomo ci mo e ISAOPT runs on x blades, not Power. But they are not general purpose x blades as announced today, they are part of a blackbox ISAOPT solution. So, IBM simply closed way for independent vendor blades. This is not a reason, it is result of someone's decision. Added value - management by zManager for virtual servers, servicebility/waranty as for System z, integrated 10 Gbps network managed from HMC, dedicated management network which handles also firmware updates (blades are updated from HMC when CE comes with MCLs). Yes, management. What does it mean??? I can manage my blades without using HMC. Yes, centralized management could be a value added, but it's NOT crucial for the application. Couldn't ISAO live without such management? I strongly doubt. 10Gbps OSA - available without zBX. In botH mainframe and PC. Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2011 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.346.696 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I'm well aware of the distinction. The zEnterprise System may be composed of both. When they are managed as one, they will come to be seen as one. At least that seems to be IBMs fervent wish. Shane ... On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:54:29 -0400 Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: Read it carefully. Note the distinction between zEnterprise 196 (z196) and zEnterprise BladeCenter Extension (zBX). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
