Re: ISPF member list
Oh my gawd. This thread has suddenly taken a turn for the best. This news makes my day, my week, maybe even the whole month of November. This feature totally escaped everyone I work with. Thank you Mr. Salt! . . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 10/28/2005 09:03:40 AM: On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:52:47 +0200, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Few years ago ISPF changed behavior of member list, I'l try to explain: When you select a member (for Browse, Edit, View) from middle of the screen, you enter into edit session, exit the editor, the list of members is automatically scrolled up, so just-editer member is on the top of the list (I mean the part of the list, visible on the screen). It's not big pain, but I'd like to know how to switch it off. In z/OS 1.5 and above, there's an option on the ISPF 'SETTINGS' panel that lets you control this behavior. Simply remove the forward slash from the 'Scroll member list' field, and the behavior goes back to the way it was prior to OS/390 R10. Hope that helps, -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISPF member list
From: Skip Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh my gawd. This thread has suddenly taken a turn for the best. This news makes my day, my week, maybe even the whole month of November. This feature totally escaped everyone I work with. Thank you Mr. Salt! Glad you like it. Needless to say, the same setting works with SimpList (if you have it installed). Regards, Dave Salt SimpList(tm) - The easiest, most powerful way to surf a mainframe! http://www.mackinney.com/products/SIM/simplist.htm IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 10/28/2005 09:03:40 AM: On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:52:47 +0200, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Few years ago ISPF changed behavior of member list, I'l try to explain: When you select a member (for Browse, Edit, View) from middle of the screen, you enter into edit session, exit the editor, the list of members is automatically scrolled up, so just-editer member is on the top of the list (I mean the part of the list, visible on the screen). It's not big pain, but I'd like to know how to switch it off. In z/OS 1.5 and above, there's an option on the ISPF 'SETTINGS' panel that lets you control this behavior. Simply remove the forward slash from the 'Scroll member list' field, and the behavior goes back to the way it was prior to OS/390 R10. Hope that helps, Dave Salt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISPF member list
Greg Shirey wrote: And I disagree entirely with your opinions. I am quite pleased with the functionality you describe. Perhaps I'm a moron... :-) What's good is free choice. One likes old behavior, the other like new behavior, both can customize their own favorite options. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
ISPF member list
Few years ago ISPF changed behavior of member list, I'l try to explain: When you select a member (for Browse, Edit, View) from middle of the screen, you enter into edit session, exit the editor, the list of members is automatically scrolled up, so just-editer member is on the top of the list (I mean the part of the list, visible on the screen). It's not big pain, but I'd like to know how to switch it off. Any clue ? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISPF member list
Rad, I think there is an ISPF member list exit. You have to turn it on via the ISPCCONF panels and write the exit. Some of the details are in the ISPF Planning and Customization Guide. Though, IMHO, if this is just an annoyance and does not fill a business need, I would just live with it. HTH Thanks, Fletch -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 8:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: ISPF member list Few years ago ISPF changed behavior of member list, I'l try to explain: When you select a member (for Browse, Edit, View) from middle of the screen, you enter into edit session, exit the editor, the list of members is automatically scrolled up, so just-editer member is on the top of the list (I mean the part of the list, visible on the screen). It's not big pain, but I'd like to know how to switch it off. Any clue ? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISPF member list
On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:52:47 +0200, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Few years ago ISPF changed behavior of member list, I'l try to explain: When you select a member (for Browse, Edit, View) from middle of the screen, you enter into edit session, exit the editor, the list of members is automatically scrolled up, so just-editer member is on the top of the list (I mean the part of the list, visible on the screen). It's not big pain, but I'd like to know how to switch it off. Any clue ? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html In ISPF for z/OS 1.5 and above there is an option in the ISPF Configuration Table, in the ISPF Site-Wide Profile Customizations section, called SCROLL_MEMBER_LIST, which gives you control over this function. This is described in the Planning and Customizing manual. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISPF member list
So you belong to the same organization as the Three Stooges, the AMA (Amalgamated Moron's Association). [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/28/2005 11:41:32 AM And I disagree entirely with your opinions. I am quite pleased with the functionality you describe. Perhaps I'm a moron... :-) Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 10:11 AM OTOH, it's simply moronic that when the member list is small and fits entirely on a single screen, and I browse the last member and exit, the screen is scrolled so only one member shows. Such automatic scrolling should never go farther than the effect of DOWN MAX. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISPF member list
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 11:17 AM Subject: Re: ISPF member list In a recent note, Gary Green said: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:38:31 -0400 Funny thing, I like this behavior. If one is manually searching/looking-in different members in the member list, it's a pain to scroll down a few lines to get to the next member that is off-screen. With this auto-scroll of the selected member name to the top makes it so much easier... OTOH, it's simply moronic that when the member list is small and fits entirely on a single screen, and I browse the last member and exit, the screen is scrolled so only one member shows. Such automatic scrolling should never go farther than the effect of DOWN MAX. And there you have the tastes great, less filling argument that this issue brings up. Back in the mid-90's we were having MAJOR problems trying to debug member list scrolling issues because of inconsistent behavior amongst all the different member lists. We decided to standardize on the scrolling behavior because it fixed a major problem when processing lots of members. Let's say you selected 100 out of 500 members to process. The resulting member list would be at the top of the list and you would have to scroll down a number of pages to take up where you left off. The problem with handling all the exceptions (like single pages, etc.) is the complications that it introduces to the member list code. We've tried to streamline it to make it simple, but we've had to re-introduce the non-intuitive behavior for those who only work with member lists on a single screen. I won't even get into the complications if an error occurs while you're processing multiple members. It's not as easy as it seems. If you think you can do better, be my guest. Fill out your SHARE requirements and then spend time with the ISPF development team beta testing the prototypes. Can't wait to see what you come up with. Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
