Re: JES2 startup question

2008-02-15 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
"Tom Marchant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:02:59 +0100, Vernooy, C.P.  wrote:
> 
> >"Tom Marchant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> >> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:23:26 -0500, Angel Tamayo wrote:
> >>
> >> >Thanks Dean, you right.
> >> >But some option without changes in parmlib?
> >>
> >> Start JES2 without NOREQ, then issue $PI?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Tom Marchant
> >
> >I think the first jobs will have started by the time you enter the
> >command.
> 
> No.  If you start JES2 with NOREQ, you are right, but if you start it
with REQ, 
> it will not start running jobs until you issue a $S.

Ahhh right, now I see you said *without* noreq.

Kees.
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Re: JES2 startup question

2008-02-15 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:02:59 +0100, Vernooy, C.P.  wrote:

>"Tom Marchant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:23:26 -0500, Angel Tamayo wrote:
>>
>> >Thanks Dean, you right.
>> >But some option without changes in parmlib?
>>
>> Start JES2 without NOREQ, then issue $PI?
>>
>> --
>> Tom Marchant
>
>I think the first jobs will have started by the time you enter the
>command.

No.  If you start JES2 with NOREQ, you are right, but if you start it with REQ, 
it will not start running jobs until you issue a $S.

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Re: JES2 startup question

2008-02-15 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
"Tom Marchant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:23:26 -0500, Angel Tamayo wrote:
> 
> >Thanks Dean, you right.
> >But some option without changes in parmlib?
> 
> Start JES2 without NOREQ, then issue $PI?
> 
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I think the first jobs will have started by the time you enter the
command.

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Re: JES2 startup question

2008-02-15 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Our WLM Managed jobs all have a Scheduling Environment and we keep their
resourses OFF until we allow the jobs to start.

Kees.


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> Mark just posted a note about WLM managed init's and automation. We
not
> doing that here yet, but I would suspect it's a little more involved
> than changing the JES2 startup.
> 
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> 
> 
> Thanks Dean, you right.
> But some option without changes in parmlib?
> 
> 
> 2008/2/14, Dean Montevago <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > In the JES2 startup deck:
> >
> > INIT(1)  NAME=1,
> >  CLASS=??,
> >  START=NO
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
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> >
> >
> > Hi,
> > Customer had requested to start JES2 with all INITs drained, in
order 
> > to prevent that batch jobs start running on INITs after the IPL and 
> > before batch processing application is fully up.
> >
> > What options do I have?
> >
> >
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Re: JES2 startup question

2008-02-14 Thread Angel Tamayo
In my situation I think the option sended by Tom is my best option, thanks a
lot to all.
And I'm so sorry because my original question were incomplete.

2008/2/14, Mark Zelden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:23:26 -0500, Angel Tamayo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Thanks Dean, you right.
> >But some option without changes in parmlib?
> >
> >
>
>
> How is JES2 started?  If NOREQ is not used as a start parm, then nothing
> really
> happens until a $S command is issued (boy it's been a long time since I've
> been around a system without PARM='WARM,NOREQ' in the JES2 JCL).  So
> you could drain the INITs at that point or issue $PXEQ prior to $S.
> But your original question was "what are my options" - not "what are my
> options without changes in parmlib".
>
>
> Mark
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Re: JES2 startup question

2008-02-14 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:23:26 -0500, Angel Tamayo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Thanks Dean, you right.
>But some option without changes in parmlib?
>
>

How is JES2 started?  If NOREQ is not used as a start parm, then nothing really 
happens until a $S command is issued (boy it's been a long time since I've
been around a system without PARM='WARM,NOREQ' in the JES2 JCL).  So
you could drain the INITs at that point or issue $PXEQ prior to $S.  
But your original question was "what are my options" - not "what are my 
options without changes in parmlib".

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Re: JES2 startup question

2008-02-14 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:23:26 -0500, Angel Tamayo wrote:

>Thanks Dean, you right.
>But some option without changes in parmlib?

Start JES2 without NOREQ, then issue $PI?

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Re: JES2 startup question

2008-02-14 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:27:35 -0500, Dean Montevago wrote:

>Mark just posted a note about WLM managed init's and automation. We not
>doing that here yet, but I would suspect it's a little more involved
>than changing the JES2 startup.

Not really.  I did it years ago one Sunday when I had a little time left during 
my change window.  You can do it with $T JOBCLASSn, MODE=WLM

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Re: JES2 startup question

2008-02-14 Thread Dean Montevago
Mark just posted a note about WLM managed init's and automation. We not
doing that here yet, but I would suspect it's a little more involved
than changing the JES2 startup.

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: JES2 startup question


Thanks Dean, you right.
But some option without changes in parmlib?


2008/2/14, Dean Montevago <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> In the JES2 startup deck:
>
> INIT(1)  NAME=1,
>  CLASS=??,
>  START=NO
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Angel Tamayo
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 3:05 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: JES2 startup question
>
>
> Hi,
> Customer had requested to start JES2 with all INITs drained, in order 
> to prevent that batch jobs start running on INITs after the IPL and 
> before batch processing application is fully up.
>
> What options do I have?
>
>
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Re: JES2 startup question

2008-02-14 Thread Angel Tamayo
Thanks Dean, you right.
But some option without changes in parmlib?


2008/2/14, Dean Montevago <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> In the JES2 startup deck:
>
> INIT(1)  NAME=1,
>  CLASS=??,
>  START=NO
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Angel Tamayo
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 3:05 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: JES2 startup question
>
>
> Hi,
> Customer had requested to start JES2 with all INITs drained, in order to
> prevent that batch jobs start running on INITs after the IPL and before
> batch processing application is fully up.
>
> What options do I have?
>
>
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Re: JES2 startup question

2008-02-14 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:05:24 -0500, Angel Tamayo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Hi,
>Customer had requested to start JES2 with all INITs drained, in order to
>prevent that batch jobs start running on
>INITs after the IPL and before batch processing application is fully up.
>
>What options do I have?
>

You can have the inits defined as drained in your JES2 parms.  But ever
since WLM inits, we added $PXEQ to the JES2 parms (before we converted
to WLM controlled initiators).   This works for both JES2 inits and WLM 
controlled inits.  

While we could issue the $SXEQ with automation at the appropriate time
after an IPL, queues are held and our job scheduling packing is "held" until 
operations releases them. both.During our software change windows,
we never issue $SXEQ and force jobs we need to run with $SJOB.  Even
when we had JES2 inits, we defined a single class as WLM controlled just
for this purpose.   It was a lot safer / cleaner then temporarily starting an
init for a certain JOBCLASS then draining it again.  

Mark
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Re: JES2 startup question

2008-02-14 Thread Dean Montevago
In the JES2 startup deck:

INIT(1)  NAME=1,   
 CLASS=??, 
 START=NO  

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Hi,
Customer had requested to start JES2 with all INITs drained, in order to
prevent that batch jobs start running on INITs after the IPL and before
batch processing application is fully up.

What options do I have?

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JES2 startup question

2008-02-14 Thread Angel Tamayo
Hi,
Customer had requested to start JES2 with all INITs drained, in order to
prevent that batch jobs start running on
INITs after the IPL and before batch processing application is fully up.

What options do I have?

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