Re: Oracle on z/OS [was: Convert DB2 on z/OS to UDB on z/Linux]
I may be misremembering, but when we talked to Oracle about what would and would not be supported I seem to recall that there was no guaruntee that Oracle would support even connecting the z/OS Oracle 10.2 client to more than "one version up". In other words, connecting to a version 11 server is supported, but connecting to a version 12 server (whenever that is released) may or may not be supported. Does this sound correct? If so, this means that any Oracle server supporting z/OS clients could not be upgraded beyond version 11. Not a desirable situation, I think. Personally I think a good compromise would be for Oracle to "stabilize" only the server code, but to keep up with client code (including the batch and online Access Manager components). Unfortunately Oracle appears to have ruled that out... Frank On 9/8/2009 at 3:49 PM, in message <4aa6d14e.7000...@oracle.com>, Bill Manry wrote: > On 8 Sep 2009 12:37:11 -0700, ds...@hotmail.com (Dave Salt) wrote: > >Hi Bill, > > > >Thanks for the info. I understand that OAM will continue to be supported, > >but not enhanced. If a new feature of the Oracle database requires an > update > >to the OAM, it means applications running on z/OS would not be able to use > >the new Oracle feature. Is that correct? If so, it's hard to imagine > that any > >company using z/OS would consider using Oracle as the database. Oracle > >obviously knows this, so in essence it seems they've given up on the z/OS > >platform. Would you agree with this? Out of curiosity, can you shed > any light > >on why this decision was made; e.g. economical, political, technical, etc? > > Dave (and IBM-Main), > > The first point is true only for Oracle database features that involve > client > API and/or precompiler changes. The majority of new database features do > not involve such changes i.e. they are available via existing SQL and PL/SQL > execution mechanisms. > > It's probably inappropriate for me (a developer) to suggest the reasons > for realigning our database strategy on z/OS. Barry would be the person to > ask...drop him a note. I definitely think "giving up on the platform" > is not > quite right. > > Regards, > /b > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html >>> The information contained in this electronic communication and any document attached hereto or transmitted herewith is confidential and intended for the exclusive use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any examination, use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy this communication. Thank you. -- Frank Swarbrick Applications Architect - Mainframe Applications Development FirstBank Data Corporation - Lakewood, CO USA P: 303-235-1403 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Oracle on z/OS [was: Convert DB2 on z/OS to UDB on z/Linux]
On 8 Sep 2009 12:37:11 -0700, ds...@hotmail.com (Dave Salt) wrote: >Hi Bill, > >Thanks for the info. I understand that OAM will continue to be supported, >but not enhanced. If a new feature of the Oracle database requires an update >to the OAM, it means applications running on z/OS would not be able to use >the new Oracle feature. Is that correct? If so, it's hard to imagine that any >company using z/OS would consider using Oracle as the database. Oracle >obviously knows this, so in essence it seems they've given up on the z/OS >platform. Would you agree with this? Out of curiosity, can you shed any light >on why this decision was made; e.g. economical, political, technical, etc? Dave (and IBM-Main), The first point is true only for Oracle database features that involve client API and/or precompiler changes. The majority of new database features do not involve such changes i.e. they are available via existing SQL and PL/SQL execution mechanisms. It's probably inappropriate for me (a developer) to suggest the reasons for realigning our database strategy on z/OS. Barry would be the person to ask...drop him a note. I definitely think "giving up on the platform" is not quite right. Regards, /b -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Oracle on z/OS [was: Convert DB2 on z/OS to UDB on z/Linux]
Hi Bill, Thanks for the info. I understand that OAM will continue to be supported, but not enhanced. If a new feature of the Oracle database requires an update to the OAM, it means applications running on z/OS would not be able to use the new Oracle feature. Is that correct? If so, it's hard to imagine that any company using z/OS would consider using Oracle as the database. Oracle obviously knows this, so in essence it seems they've given up on the z/OS platform. Would you agree with this? Out of curiosity, can you shed any light on why this decision was made; e.g. economical, political, technical, etc? Thanks, Dave Salt SimpList(tm) - try it; you'll get it! http://www.mackinney.com/products/SIM/simplist.htm > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 10:20:43 -0700 > From: bill.ma...@oracle.com > Subject: Oracle on z/OS [was: Convert DB2 on z/OS to UDB on z/Linux] > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > > On 1 Sep 2009 22:51:02 -0700, ds...@hotmail.com (Dave Salt) wrote: >>A while ago I mentioned on this forum that a friend of mine works for > a company that >>is considering a conversion from DB2 on z/OS to Oracle on z/Linux. I > asked if anyone >>had any opinions on this, and Frank Swarbrick pointed out that Oracle > Access Manager >>(which is the link between z/OS and z/Linux) has been "finalized" at > version 10.2. I >>passed this information on to my friend who passed it on to his > management, and as a >>result they are no longer interested in this option (many thanks to > Frank for saving them >>going on a wild goose chase!). > > Just to clarify any confusion that might result here, Oracle will be > supporting > the current 10.2 release of its z/OS product (including Access Managers for > CICS and IMS) _indefinitely_, including testing with new releases of z/OS, > CICS, IMS, and of the Oracle database (running on other platforms, such > as z/Linux). Customers with questions about this should contact Barry > Perkins, > VP Oracle Modernization & Oracle Integrated Solutions, at 650 506 2747 > or email barry.perk...@oracle.com. Barry has been involved in Oracle's > MVS products for many years and understands the issues involved. > > /b > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ New: Messenger sign-in on the MSN homepage http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677403 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Oracle on z/OS [was: Convert DB2 on z/OS to UDB on z/Linux]
On 1 Sep 2009 22:51:02 -0700, ds...@hotmail.com (Dave Salt) wrote: >A while ago I mentioned on this forum that a friend of mine works for a company that >is considering a conversion from DB2 on z/OS to Oracle on z/Linux. I asked if anyone >had any opinions on this, and Frank Swarbrick pointed out that Oracle Access Manager >(which is the link between z/OS and z/Linux) has been "finalized" at version 10.2. I >passed this information on to my friend who passed it on to his management, and as a >result they are no longer interested in this option (many thanks to Frank for saving them >going on a wild goose chase!). Just to clarify any confusion that might result here, Oracle will be supporting the current 10.2 release of its z/OS product (including Access Managers for CICS and IMS) _indefinitely_, including testing with new releases of z/OS, CICS, IMS, and of the Oracle database (running on other platforms, such as z/Linux). Customers with questions about this should contact Barry Perkins, VP Oracle Modernization & Oracle Integrated Solutions, at 650 506 2747 or email barry.perk...@oracle.com. Barry has been involved in Oracle's MVS products for many years and understands the issues involved. /b -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
