Outsourcing hits new low
Saw this on through the CNN.COM web site early today. This has got to be a new low for outsourcing. http://www.kitv.com/money/16607424/detail.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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"Matthew Stitt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > Saw this on through the CNN.COM web site early today. This has got to be a > new low for outsourcing. > > http://www.kitv.com/money/16607424/detail.html > What's new? I know of much more work, that is sent (electronically) to Texas and Mexico to be processed there by cheaper hands. I heard of Chinese callcenter workers that are trained in the different US accents, to give the US caller the feeling he is talking to a fellow countrymen. As fast as you gather information from allover the world, work also flows over the same network. Be honest, you don't want to pay xx% more for a hamburger to assure a local person is taking your order, do you? Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Outsourcing hits new low
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM > > > "Matthew Stitt" wrote ... > > Saw this on through the CNN.COM web site early today. This > has got to be a > > new low for outsourcing. > > > > http://www.kitv.com/money/16607424/detail.html > > > > What's new? > I know of much more work, that is sent (electronically) to > Texas and Mexico to be processed there by cheaper hands. > I heard of Chinese callcenter workers that are trained in the > different US accents, to give the US caller the feeling he is > talking to a fellow countrymen. > As fast as you gather information from allover the world, > work also flows over the same network. > Be honest, you don't want to pay xx% more for a hamburger to > assure a local person is taking your order, do you? Right on! Much better to put the locals on some kind of welfare program, AND pay for the off-shore order-takers. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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[snip] > Right on! Much better to put the locals on some kind of welfare > program, AND pay for the off-shore order-takers. > > -jc- I am somewhat confused by this as well. But I'll admit that I'm not an economist. I'm a computer techie. But as more things are done "far away", that reduces the average and median income in the local economy. Which reduces the ability to make money in that economy. Eventually, it seems to me, the local economy will no longer be able to support itself and will collapse. I what the "big boys" hope to do is syphon off money in the interim and so don't care about the long term. That is one "problem" with globalization, in my ignorant view. And, of course, "long term" today implies "beyond this fiscal cycle". Unlike the "3 year" and "5 year" plans of my misspent youth. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Yes,, I ordered a "Leather Recliner" from Costco 4 weeks ago, for my Mother's visit from South Africa. So, this weekend, I phoned the "Customer Support" help line and I was routed to India. They requested my "order number" and did a computer look-up and just read to me , what I could see on the "Internet lookup" my self. Conclusion : I am in America, I can use a Computer and I know how to set my email "Out of office" message... Why do I need to phone India for this information. NotE: I even knew Pakistan won the cricket game and that NZ was "in a spot of bother" against England. Anton -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Anton, Would you feel better if a call centre in Texas gave you the same kiss-off? Ron > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Anton Britz > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 7:42 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Outsourcing hits new low > > Yes,, > > I ordered a "Leather Recliner" from Costco 4 weeks ago, for my Mother's > visit > from South Africa. > > So, this weekend, I phoned the "Customer Support" help line and I was > routed > to India. They requested my "order number" and did a computer look-up > and > just read to me , what I could see on the "Internet lookup" my self. > > Conclusion : I am in America, I can use a Computer and I know how to > set my > email "Out of office" message... Why do I need to phone India for this > information. > > NotE: I even knew Pakistan won the cricket game and that NZ was "in a > spot > of bother" against England. > > Anton > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Outsourcing hits new low
Hi Ron, Yes, because the "Viagra Stimulus Checks" would then stimulate your own Economy, taxes, roads etc. (Check the mess Arnie is in currently.. Budget deficit wise but yes, I saw his wife on the Tim Russert show yesterday, talking from Sun Valley.. Ever been in Sun Valley ? ) Alternatively, you have to sit in the Senate for 50 years, to become a Chairman of an appropriations committee in order to channel a few Billion to your local "Mom and Pop" shop. Currently your local "Mom and Pop" shop needs to be manufacturing "bombs" to be able to pay the groceries. Note: What's going to eventually happen to all the "bombs/Nuclear heads" being manufactured because Cabella's can not sell them yet or my brother-in- law could not buy some this weekend. ( He farms in Africa and was impressed with the war arsenal you can buy in the USA stores. The computer stores are all closing down) Anton On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:44:45 -0700, Ron Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Anton, > >Would you feel better if a call centre in Texas gave you the same kiss-off? > >Ron > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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> "Matthew Stitt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > > Saw this on through the CNN.COM web site early today. This has got to > be a > > new low for outsourcing. > > > > http://www.kitv.com/money/16607424/detail.html > > > > > C.P. Vernooy posted on June 16, 2008 8:29 AM > > What's new? > I know of much more work, that is sent (electronically) to Texas and > Mexico to be processed there by cheaper hands. > I heard of Chinese callcenter workers that are trained in the different > US accents, to give the US caller the feeling he is talking to a fellow > countrymen. > As fast as you gather information from allover the world, work also > flows over the same network. > Be honest, you don't want to pay xx% more for a hamburger to assure a > local person is taking your order, do you? > > Kees. But in the article McDonalds admits they aren't saving any costs by doing this. So what's the purpose? It seems to me that it's only reducing the employment opportunities for the Hawaiians. * If you wish to communicate securely with Commerce Bank and its affiliates, you must log into your account under Online Services at http://www.commercebank.com or use the Commerce Bank Secure Email Message Center at https://securemail.commercebank.com NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any attached files are confidential. The information is exclusively for the use of the individual or entity intended as the recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, printing, reviewing, retention, disclosure, distribution or forwarding of the message or any attached file is not authorized and is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please advise the sender by reply electronic mail immediately and permanently delete the original transmission, any attachments and any copies of this message from your computer system. * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Yeah, I read about that last year. It's not only McDonalds that is doing this. Gary Green I can use all the help I can get with my fight against cancer! Please support my efforts! Thank you. http://www.active.com/donate/tntsonj/tntsonjGGreen -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Stitt Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 9:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Outsourcing hits new low Saw this on through the CNN.COM web site early today. This has got to be a new low for outsourcing. http://www.kitv.com/money/16607424/detail.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1504 - Release Date: 6/15/2008 5:52 PM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Anton, I can't sit in the senate. I've been a foreigner in every country I've lived in for the last 15 years. Best I can manage here is to be the Guvna. I'd be more than happy for my nieces and nephews in Australia and the Philippines to have a job in a call centre for a US company as they stimulate my family's' economies. I don't see a problem. "Viagra Stimulus Checks, War arsenals, Nuclear bombs..." WTF are you rabbitting about... Ron > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Anton Britz > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:16 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Outsourcing hits new low > > Hi Ron, > > Yes, because the "Viagra Stimulus Checks" would then stimulate your own > Economy, taxes, roads etc. (Check the mess Arnie is in currently.. > Budget > deficit wise but yes, I saw his wife on the Tim Russert show yesterday, > talking > from Sun Valley.. Ever been in Sun Valley ? ) > > Alternatively, you have to sit in the Senate for 50 years, to become a > Chairman of an appropriations committee in order to channel a few > Billion to > your local "Mom and Pop" shop. Currently your local "Mom and Pop" shop > needs to be manufacturing "bombs" to be able to pay the groceries. > > Note: What's going to eventually happen to all the "bombs/Nuclear > heads" > being manufactured because Cabella's can not sell them yet or my > brother-in- > law could not buy some this weekend. ( He farms in Africa and was > impressed > with the war arsenal you can buy in the USA stores. The computer stores > are > all closing down) > > Anton > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On 16 Jun 2008 06:51:48 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (McKown, John) wrote: >I am somewhat confused by this as well. But I'll admit that I'm not an >economist. I'm a computer techie. But as more things are done "far >away", that reduces the average and median income in the local economy. >Which reduces the ability to make money in that economy. Eventually, it >seems to me, the local economy will no longer be able to support itself >and will collapse. I what the "big boys" hope to do is syphon off money >in the interim and so don't care about the long term. That is one >"problem" with globalization, in my ignorant view. And, of course, "long >term" today implies "beyond this fiscal cycle". Unlike the "3 year" and >"5 year" plans of my misspent youth. On the other hand, the economy of New England didn't collapse when the textile industry moved to the South, and the economy of the South didn't collapse when the textile industry moved overseas. And if the poor countries remain poor, quite a few adverse consequences are likely to happen, varying from cutting down the rainforests, to over-fishing, to epidemics, to war. (Leaving out any ethical or moral parts of this analysis). I do agree that one of the big problems with this generation is a devaluation of "the long term".Societies that believe in long term investment grow wealthy, while societies that don't believe in long term investment lag behind. When IBM sells computers and software around the world, the world demands to sell back. They have to, as goods and services are how we pay for goods and services - money is just a convenient way of handling that. We can't sell without buying. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Hi Ron, My apology for the WTF stuff but as i told my NYC friend, without a DVR in each room at home, you miss a lot of the WTF stuff ex. I told him in Nov 2007, the Democratic nomination is over and he was still contemplating who to vote for. Never mind.. he is still ignoring me because of this stupid "political" race that is actually already OVER... We know who is going to win in Nov 2008. Quick explanation of the WTF stuff this morning : a) Viagra Stimulus check The check that is suppose to "save" the USA economy. The $600 that you will get if you filed your 2007 taxes in time and will "boost" the economy and make eveyrthing like it use to be in the 90's. Yes... not only are politicians cutting taxes.. they are giving it back , when they have a deficit. b) War Arsenal The Feds are pumping 12 Billion a month into keeping you "safe"... WAR money, bombs, planes, uniforms, American flags to your parents. Maybe more in renewing the strike capabilities of the Military. Initially, they wanted to stimilate the economy by giving it all to NASA and then they where going to renew all the roads/bridges in the USA... I know...I know... "I have to get my self a hobby".. that what my Mothers says... "Get off the computer and go and do something". It's so bad that they shipped Nucleur Missile war head to Taiwan accidently Accidently... but to save their embarresment they fired the Chief of the Navy. Never mind... get your self a DVR or two and then you can "catch up" with all the happening quickly while having dinner or breakfast. Note: Was watching "George" last night thanking "Brown'ie" for supporting his vision in "helping" him with money and troops in Afhganistan. Did you see who the SAudi's blamed for the high oil price after "Banki Moon" asked them to pump more oil because Europa is coming to stand still No, I know you did not because if you then see McCain's speech about what to do about the "High Oil" price, you have to laugh. Note: Technology is helping us understand whats going on around us but some politicians or people are not using it yet.. That is why people in Ohio and Texas voted for a "loser". Never mind... My sympathy to those people in Iowa, Missourri, Wisconsin that are looking for Fed support for the Flood because they announced this morning, there is no more money. It's being used to build democracies some where else in the World. Anton On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:22:07 -0700, Ron Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Anton, > >I can't sit in the senate. I've been a foreigner in every country I've lived >in for the last 15 years. Best I can manage here is to be the Guvna. > >I'd be more than happy for my nieces and nephews in Australia and the >Philippines to have a job in a call centre for a US company as they >stimulate my family's' economies. I don't see a problem. > >"Viagra Stimulus Checks, War arsenals, Nuclear bombs..." WTF are you >rabbitting about... > >Ron > >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Anton Britz >> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:16 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Outsourcing hits new low >> >> Hi Ron, >> >> Yes, because the "Viagra Stimulus Checks" would then stimulate your own >> Economy, taxes, roads etc. (Check the mess Arnie is in currently.. >> Budget >> deficit wise but yes, I saw his wife on the Tim Russert show yesterday, >> talking >> from Sun Valley.. Ever been in Sun Valley ? ) >> >> Alternatively, you have to sit in the Senate for 50 years, to become a >> Chairman of an appropriations committee in order to channel a few >> Billion to >> your local "Mom and Pop" shop. Currently your local "Mom and Pop" shop >> needs to be manufacturing "bombs" to be able to pay the groceries. >> >> Note: What's going to eventually happen to all the "bombs/Nuclear >> heads" >> being manufactured because Cabella's can not sell them yet or my >> brother-in- >> law could not buy some this weekend. ( He farms in Africa and was >> impressed >> with the war arsenal you can buy in the USA stores. The computer stores >> are >> all closing down) >> >> Anton >> > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO >Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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OK... this is all related to mainframes how??? -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Well ... the relation is ... Anton. He has expertise in both mainframes and "this" stuff. On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:15:50 -0500, Rich Smrcina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >OK... this is all related to mainframes how??? > > >-- >Rich Smrcina -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Rich, Ask me a computer question then ? or if you look at the "Thread Subject line" .. it's says "Outsourcing hits a new low" So, I will explain that for you : Outsourcing : A hot political issue that got Egg all over Hillaries face a new Low : An expression of degree relating to a 'Political hot issue' that you will be aware off, if you have a DVR. Note: i do not mind to explain , if you do not understand but most people work/vote/buy without even reading/listening/watching. Do your self a favor and go and sit at the entrance of your local Wal-mart and then you ask your self, how can these people vote for a leader. If you do not have a Wal-mart.. go to the local DMV office... Just go and sit there for 20 minutes and read your Unix manual or if you really want to do it the "IBM" way.. go to the Greenwich YachtClub and then you look at the CEO's house accross the river ,, while reading your "Unix on IBM" manual. Greenwich is in Connecticut. ( Little below Yale and above NYc ) Anton -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
