Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
In 632703.89644...@web82206.mail.mud.yahoo.com, on 12/21/2009 at 12:34 PM, Lloyd Fuller leful...@sbcglobal.net said: It was also a tank before the M1 Abrams. Yes, but there was an M1 rifle before there was an M1 tank ;-) I suspect that M1 and M60 are not the only numbers that the US Army recycled. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In 632703.89644...@web82206.mail.mud.yahoo.com, on 12/21/2009 at 12:34 PM, Lloyd Fuller leful...@sbcglobal.net said: It was also a tank before the M1 Abrams. Yes, but there was an M1 rifle before there was an M1 tank ;-) I suspect that M1 and M60 are not the only numbers that the US Army recycled. M60 was also a General Purpose Machine Gun (GPMG). I can't tell you how many I had to repair because of probably user error (Closing the cover with the bolt forward!) D*** rookies never learned! :-) Rick --- A Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year to all. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
John, M60 is also a 60-ton tank, now considered obsolete. Mounted a 105mm Main Gun. Rick -- Chase, John wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Finnell In a message dated 12/21/2009 9:28:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, bill.bis...@tema.toyota.com writes: The data center was actualy a set of vans connected by a wooden walkway. We flunked a Reforger, cause an M60 ran over the bus/tags connecting the vans. I don't know why it was there, but it did. There was a spare, but it pulled the receptacle out the side ??? M60 is a portable machine gun -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html . -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
Lloyd ... The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the early 1960s ... That'll be the *late* '60s. These were batch machines running DOS/VS. ... and it will have been DOS/360 not DOS/VS. VS did not burst onto the 360 GT (370) commercial customer scene until 1972. Chris Mason On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:05:16 -0800, Lloyd Fuller leful...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Mouse? the only stinking mouse was the one eating the punch cards! These were batch machines running DOS/VS. They did have lots of cable and the installations that I saw were REAL careful about what kind of traffic even came close to the trailers. In fact even foot traffic was discouraged! Lloyd --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Thompson, Steve steve_thomp...@stercomm.com wrote: From: Thompson, Steve steve_thomp...@stercomm.com Subject: Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage) To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 4:00 PM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lloyd Fuller Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 2:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage) What do you mean Sun was the first? The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the early 1960s - 40 years before Sun thought of the idea. The Army even had those in Vietnam for the division data centers. Lloyd snip Yeah, and they had 600' of channel cables attached to a jeep to use as a mouse. Sorry, I just couldn't get this cartoon out of my mind of the original mouse... Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
Lloyd 360/30s with 256K. The 360/30s I used to support in my trainee days, around 1968, were typically 32K. Indeed DOS/360 was often just called 16K BOS - if my memory serves me correctly. The *really* big 360/30s had 64K - wow! As for DASD, 4 x 2311 was typical. Tape was for the bigger installations, 2 or 4 drives.[1] I think they ran Power, but I am not sure. POWER, the spooling function in DOS/360, was first talked about in about 1969. It came out about the time I migrated from DOS/360 to OS/360. Chris Mason [1] At one installation, I tried to impress one of the system programmers by persuading her to try a COBOL compilation with work files assigned to tape - something I had just read was possible from the DOS COBOL Guide manual. Well, I thought it was impressive; I could have watched it all day and it seemed just the sort of thing films ought to use when they wanted to show a computer. On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:37:07 -0500, Lloyd Fuller leful...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Howard Brazee wrote: On 8 Dec 2009 05:02:00 -0800, jch...@ussco.com (Chase, John) wrote: How big were those, compared to an iPod? Probably like battleship::kayak. Physical size. How about capacity? 360/30s with 256K. Full 2314 = 8 x 800K. I am not sure how many tape drives, but they were the old 7-track probably 800 BPI. One or two of them might have been 360/40s. But all of the ones that I saw in trailers were mod 30s. As far as I know, they all ran DOS: the first DOS not DOS/VS since they were 306s. I think they ran Power, but I am not sure. Lloyd -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
Actually, we had them in Heidelberg Germany up to mid 1978, running DOS. The data center was actualy a set of vans connected by a wooden walkway. Thanks Bill Bishop Specialist Mainframe Support Group Server Development Support Toyota Motor Engineering Manufacturing North America, Inc. bill.bis...@tema.toyota.com (502) 570-6143 Chris Mason chrisma...@belgacom.net Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 12/21/2009 10:22 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage) Lloyd ... The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the early 1960s ... That'll be the *late* '60s. These were batch machines running DOS/VS. ... and it will have been DOS/360 not DOS/VS. VS did not burst onto the 360 GT (370) commercial customer scene until 1972. Chris Mason On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:05:16 -0800, Lloyd Fuller leful...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Mouse? the only stinking mouse was the one eating the punch cards! These were batch machines running DOS/VS. They did have lots of cable and the installations that I saw were REAL careful about what kind of traffic even came close to the trailers. In fact even foot traffic was discouraged! Lloyd --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Thompson, Steve steve_thomp...@stercomm.com wrote: From: Thompson, Steve steve_thomp...@stercomm.com Subject: Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage) To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 4:00 PM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lloyd Fuller Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 2:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage) What do you mean Sun was the first? The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the early 1960s - 40 years before Sun thought of the idea. The Army even had those in Vietnam for the division data centers. Lloyd snip Yeah, and they had 600' of channel cables attached to a jeep to use as a mouse. Sorry, I just couldn't get this cartoon out of my mind of the original mouse... Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
Bill You may have missed the point I was making here. Lloyd was claiming to be playing with 360/30s in the *early* '60s and I was adjusting that to necessarily being the *late* '60s since it could not possibly have been the early '60s. I was not intending to limit the lifetime of the 360/30 to that hallucinogenic era. Indeed I remember hearing about a 360/30 in one customer site where I did some work sometime in the early '70s which was being retained purely to perform 1401 emulation! I don't expect it was the only one. Chris Mason On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:29:07 -0500, William Bishop bill.bis...@tema.toyota.com wrote: Actually, we had them in Heidelberg Germany up to mid 1978, running DOS. The data center was actualy a set of vans connected by a wooden walkway. Thanks Bill Bishop Specialist Mainframe Support Group Server Development Support Toyota Motor Engineering Manufacturing North America, Inc. bill.bis...@tema.toyota.com (502) 570-6143 Chris Mason chrisma...@belgacom.net Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 12/21/2009 10:22 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage) Lloyd ... The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the early 1960s ... That'll be the *late* '60s. These were batch machines running DOS/VS. ... and it will have been DOS/360 not DOS/VS. VS did not burst onto the 360 GT (370) commercial customer scene until 1972. Chris Mason On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:05:16 -0800, Lloyd Fuller leful...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Mouse? the only stinking mouse was the one eating the punch cards! These were batch machines running DOS/VS. They did have lots of cable and the installations that I saw were REAL careful about what kind of traffic even came close to the trailers. In fact even foot traffic was discouraged! Lloyd --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Thompson, Steve steve_thomp...@stercomm.com wrote: From: Thompson, Steve steve_thomp...@stercomm.com Subject: Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage) To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 4:00 PM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lloyd Fuller Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 2:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage) What do you mean Sun was the first? The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the early 1960s - 40 years before Sun thought of the idea. The Army even had those in Vietnam for the division data centers. Lloyd snip Yeah, and they had 600' of channel cables attached to a jeep to use as a mouse. Sorry, I just couldn't get this cartoon out of my mind of the original mouse... Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Mason Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:21 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage) Indeed I remember hearing about a 360/30 in one customer site where I did some work sometime in the early '70s which was being retained purely to perform 1401 emulation! I don't expect it was the only one. Chris Mason Hi Chris, In 1979-1981, we had a 360/30 as a development box. The production box at that time was a 360/75J. BobL -- This e-mail transmission may contain information that is proprietary, privileged and/or confidential and is intended exclusively for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, copying, retention or disclosure by any person other than the intended recipient or the intended recipient's designees is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or their designee, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. OppenheimerFunds may, at its sole discretion, monitor, review, retain and/or disclose the content of all email communications. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
In a message dated 12/21/2009 9:28:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, bill.bis...@tema.toyota.com writes: The data center was actualy a set of vans connected by a wooden walkway. We flunked a Reforger, cause an M60 ran over the bus/tags connecting the vans. I don't know why it was there, but it did. There was a spare, but it pulled the receptacle out the side -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Finnell In a message dated 12/21/2009 9:28:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, bill.bis...@tema.toyota.com writes: The data center was actualy a set of vans connected by a wooden walkway. We flunked a Reforger, cause an M60 ran over the bus/tags connecting the vans. I don't know why it was there, but it did. There was a spare, but it pulled the receptacle out the side ??? M60 is a portable machine gun -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
It was also a tank before the M1 Abrams. Lloyd --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Chase, John jch...@ussco.com wrote: From: Chase, John jch...@ussco.com Subject: Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage) To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 3:30 PM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Finnell In a message dated 12/21/2009 9:28:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, bill.bis...@tema.toyota.com writes: The data center was actualy a set of vans connected by a wooden walkway. We flunked a Reforger, cause an M60 ran over the bus/tags connecting the vans. I don't know why it was there, but it did. There was a spare, but it pulled the receptacle out the side ??? M60 is a portable machine gun -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
In a message dated 12/21/2009 2:35:46 P.M. Central Standard Time, leful...@sbcglobal.net writes: also a tank before . That's the one! Weighs over 60 tons, doesn't stop for much. Have a good one85% first round hits too. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
In 4b2a9187.6050...@ync.net, on 12/17/2009 at 02:16 PM, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net said: Are you sure that MOBIDIC isn't a social disease ??? :-) Ask Herman. AFAIK it also wasn't a big white whale. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
In 116095.94157...@web82208.mail.mud.yahoo.com, on 12/07/2009 at 12:56 PM, Lloyd Fuller leful...@sbcglobal.net said: What do you mean Sun was the first? The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the early 1960s - 40 years before Sun thought of the idea. The Army even had those in Vietnam for the division data centers. And MOBIDIC (sp?) was earlier than that. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOBIDIC snip What do you mean Sun was the first? The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the early 1960s - 40 years before Sun thought of the idea. The Army even had those in Vietnam for the division data centers. And MOBIDIC (sp?) was earlier than that. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
-snip-- And MOBIDIC (sp?) was earlier than that. -unsnip- Are you sure that MOBIDIC isn't a social disease ??? :-) Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Howard Brazee On 7 Dec 2009 13:01:33 -0800, steve_thomp...@stercomm.com (Thompson, Steve) wrote: What do you mean Sun was the first? The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the early 1960s - 40 years before Sun thought of the idea. The Army even had those in Vietnam for the division data centers. How big were those, compared to an iPod? Probably like battleship::kayak. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
On 8 Dec 2009 05:02:00 -0800, jch...@ussco.com (Chase, John) wrote: How big were those, compared to an iPod? Probably like battleship::kayak. Physical size. How about capacity? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
Howard Brazee wrote: On 8 Dec 2009 05:02:00 -0800, jch...@ussco.com (Chase, John) wrote: How big were those, compared to an iPod? Probably like battleship::kayak. Physical size. How about capacity? 360/30s with 256K. Full 2314 = 8 x 800K. I am not sure how many tape drives, but they were the old 7-track probably 800 BPI. One or two of them might have been 360/40s. But all of the ones that I saw in trailers were mod 30s. As far as I know, they all ran DOS: the first DOS not DOS/VS since they were 306s. I think they ran Power, but I am not sure. Lloyd -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
The capacity of a 2314 drive is 7294 * 4000 = 29176000, or about 29MB, a full string would be about 233MB. Lloyd Fuller leful...@sbcglobal.net 12/08/09 8:37 PM Howard Brazee wrote: On 8 Dec 2009 05:02:00 -0800, jch...@ussco.com (Chase, John) wrote: How big were those, compared to an iPod? Probably like battleship::kayak. Physical size. How about capacity? 360/30s with 256K. Full 2314 = 8 x 800K. I am not sure how many tape drives, but they were the old 7-track probably 800 BPI. One or two of them might have been 360/40s. But all of the ones that I saw in trailers were mod 30s. As far as I know, they all ran DOS: the first DOS not DOS/VS since they were 306s. I think they ran Power, but I am not sure. Lloyd -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material in this transmission contains confidential and privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this material in error and that any forwarding, copying, printing, distribution, use or disclosure of the material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this material in error, please (i) do not read it, (ii) reply to the sender that you received the message in error, and (iii) erase or destroy the material. Emails are not secure and can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by email. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
-snip- How big were those, compared to an iPod? Probably like battleship::kayak. Physical size. How about capacity? -unsnip- How about CRAY-1 vs. Slide Rule? :-) Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
360/30s with 256K. Full 2314 = 8 x 800K. I am not sure how many tape drives, but they were the old 7-track probably 800 BPI. One or two of them might have been 360/40s. But all of the ones that I saw in trailers were mod 30s. As far as I know, they all ran DOS: the first DOS not DOS/VS since they were 306s. I think they ran Power, but I am not sure. I know this is probably way too obscure, but does anyone know the JETDS nomenclature of these systems? AN/mumblefoo? -- Will -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
Steve Had on old Ops manager from Dallas TX who regaled me with stories of these 'portable machine rooms' in Vietnam. How big they were is irrelevant - they did a job at the time. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Chase, John jch...@ussco.com wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Howard Brazee On 7 Dec 2009 13:01:33 -0800, steve_thomp...@stercomm.com (Thompson, Steve) wrote: What do you mean Sun was the first? The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the early 1960s - 40 years before Sun thought of the idea. The Army even had those in Vietnam for the division data centers. How big were those, compared to an iPod? Probably like battleship::kayak. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [On Behalf Of Anne Lynn Wheeler [ snip ] IBM thinks outside the box with containerized data centres http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/07/ibm_data_center_containers/ from above: The idea of putting servers, storage, and networking gear into metal shipping containers and linking them together into a data centre cluster is not a new idea - Sun Microsystems was the first to propose the idea back in October 2006 - but it is catching on enough that IBM is endorsing the concept and shipping a product. Yawn The USMC has had portable air traffic control facilities of this nature since at least 1965. Still cheaper than IBM's portable data centers: http://www.governmentcontractswon.com/department/defense/an-tsq-18-landi ng-cntrl-cntr.asp?yr=00 -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
What do you mean Sun was the first? The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the early 1960s - 40 years before Sun thought of the idea. The Army even had those in Vietnam for the division data centers. Lloyd --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Chase, John jch...@ussco.com wrote: From: Chase, John jch...@ussco.com Subject: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage) To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 1:56 PM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [On Behalf Of Anne Lynn Wheeler [ snip ] IBM thinks outside the box with containerized data centres http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/07/ibm_data_center_containers/ from above: The idea of putting servers, storage, and networking gear into metal shipping containers and linking them together into a data centre cluster is not a new idea - Sun Microsystems was the first to propose the idea back in October 2006 - but it is catching on enough that IBM is endorsing the concept and shipping a product. Yawn The USMC has had portable air traffic control facilities of this nature since at least 1965. Still cheaper than IBM's portable data centers: http://www.governmentcontractswon.com/department/defense/an-tsq-18-landi ng-cntrl-cntr.asp?yr=00 -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lloyd Fuller Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 2:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage) What do you mean Sun was the first? The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the early 1960s - 40 years before Sun thought of the idea. The Army even had those in Vietnam for the division data centers. Lloyd snip Yeah, and they had 600' of channel cables attached to a jeep to use as a mouse. Sorry, I just couldn't get this cartoon out of my mind of the original mouse... Regards, Steve Thompson -- Standard disclaimer applies -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
Mouse? the only stinking mouse was the one eating the punch cards! These were batch machines running DOS/VS. They did have lots of cable and the installations that I saw were REAL careful about what kind of traffic even came close to the trailers. In fact even foot traffic was discouraged! Lloyd --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Thompson, Steve steve_thomp...@stercomm.com wrote: From: Thompson, Steve steve_thomp...@stercomm.com Subject: Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage) To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 4:00 PM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lloyd Fuller Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 2:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage) What do you mean Sun was the first? The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the early 1960s - 40 years before Sun thought of the idea. The Army even had those in Vietnam for the division data centers. Lloyd snip Yeah, and they had 600' of channel cables attached to a jeep to use as a mouse. Sorry, I just couldn't get this cartoon out of my mind of the original mouse... Regards, Steve Thompson -- Standard disclaimer applies -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
On 7 Dec 2009 13:01:33 -0800, steve_thomp...@stercomm.com (Thompson, Steve) wrote: What do you mean Sun was the first? The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the early 1960s - 40 years before Sun thought of the idea. The Army even had those in Vietnam for the division data centers. How big were those, compared to an iPod? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
Howard Brazee wrote: On 7 Dec 2009 13:01:33 -0800, steve_thomp...@stercomm.com (Thompson, Steve) wrote: What do you mean Sun was the first? The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the early 1960s - 40 years before Sun thought of the idea. The Army even had those in Vietnam for the division data centers. How big were those, compared to an iPod? Let's put it this way: even Shrek could not have put it into a shirt pocket like I can mine. These were full 18wheeler trailers - 30 foot or maybe more? Lloyd -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
No kidding! Was Sun even born yet? I started with my current employer in 1984. Couple of months later, we were putting in a new mainframe. A full sized 18 wheeler (probably a 65 footer) pulled up along side the building, along with another one with generators to run the mainframe in the first. Our data center was pretty small and in order to swap out the mainframe the workload was moved on to the machine in the truck while we did a push/pull in the data center. We ran the better part of a week like that, then we cut over to the new machine in the data c enter. Changed out the mainframe with only 2 IPLs worth of outage. Pretty fine. Not SUN , IBM. Linda Mooney - Original Message - From: Lloyd Fuller leful...@sbcglobal.net To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Monday, December 7, 2009 5:42:57 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: Portable data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage) Howard Brazee wrote: On 7 Dec 2009 13:01:33 -0800, steve_thomp...@stercomm.com (Thompson, Steve) wrote: What do you mean Sun was the first? The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the early 1960s - 40 years before Sun thought of the idea. The Army even had those in Vietnam for the division data centers. How big were those, compared to an iPod? Let's put it this way: even Shrek could not have put it into a shirt pocket like I can mine. These were full 18wheeler trailers - 30 foot or maybe more? Lloyd -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
