Re: Question about wiping a DS8100

2011-03-03 Thread Dick de Groot
Log on as CE user and do a de-install of the box then all tables are
cleared

2011/2/26 Ted MacNEIL 

> >Does anyone have any thoughts on the cache?  Do I need to worry about
> clearing that?
>
> No.
>
> >If so, does anyone have any ideas on how to do that?
>
> Just turn it (the C/U) off.
>
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Re: Question about wiping a DS8100

2011-02-25 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>Does anyone have any thoughts on the cache?  Do I need to worry about clearing 
>that?

No.

>If so, does anyone have any ideas on how to do that?

Just turn it (the C/U) off.

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Re: Question about wiping a DS8100

2011-02-25 Thread Nancy R. Brizuela
Many thanks to everyone for the great discussion on this topic!  Does anyone 
have any thoughts on the cache?  Do I need to worry about clearing that?  If 
so, does anyone have any ideas on how to do that?

-Original Message-
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McBride, Catherine
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 2:27 PM
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Subject: Re: Question about wiping a DS8100

It really depends upon how stringent the requirements are in the shop where the 
person who posted the original question works.  Here we have
some additional requirements, other shops may not.   
 
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Mark Pace
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 2:52 PM
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Subject: Re: Question about wiping a DS8100

Plus, unlike a PC drive, on the DS8100 the data is stripped over multiple 
drives.  Making data recovery on individual drives an exercise in futility.

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg
wrote:

> At 14:34 -0600 on 02/24/2011, McBride, Catherine wrote about Re: 
> Question about wiping a DS8100:
>
>
>  Yes, using the web-based Storage Manager application to change the 
> ranks
>> from one format to another will certainly work.
>> I was told that changing from one format to the other 3 times would 
>> be best.
>>
>
> That need to switch 3 times is based on your level of desire to 
> prevent recovery of your data. The first switch will remove all the 
> directory data and overwrite all the tracks. That makes all the data 
> vanish. However there are forensic  methods that may be able to read 
> the erased data although it has been overwritten. Thus the additional 
> reformats (which makes the data harder to find on the drive using the 
> forensic methods). This is the same situation as with PC Hard Drives 
> and Secure Erase. You use a higher Secure Erase setting to rewrite the

> tracks more times. Unless you expect that someone is going to go to 
> the trouble to do that level of data recovery, just removing the 
> directories and overwriting the tracks (so the data is no longer there
for normal reading or viewing the tracks) should be enough.
>
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Re: Question about wiping a DS8100

2011-02-25 Thread McBride, Catherine
It really depends upon how stringent the requirements are in the shop
where the person who posted the original question works.  Here we have
some additional requirements, other shops may not.   
 
-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Mark Pace
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 2:52 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Question about wiping a DS8100

Plus, unlike a PC drive, on the DS8100 the data is stripped over
multiple drives.  Making data recovery on individual drives an exercise
in futility.

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg
wrote:

> At 14:34 -0600 on 02/24/2011, McBride, Catherine wrote about Re: 
> Question about wiping a DS8100:
>
>
>  Yes, using the web-based Storage Manager application to change the 
> ranks
>> from one format to another will certainly work.
>> I was told that changing from one format to the other 3 times would 
>> be best.
>>
>
> That need to switch 3 times is based on your level of desire to 
> prevent recovery of your data. The first switch will remove all the 
> directory data and overwrite all the tracks. That makes all the data 
> vanish. However there are forensic  methods that may be able to read 
> the erased data although it has been overwritten. Thus the additional 
> reformats (which makes the data harder to find on the drive using the 
> forensic methods). This is the same situation as with PC Hard Drives 
> and Secure Erase. You use a higher Secure Erase setting to rewrite the

> tracks more times. Unless you expect that someone is going to go to 
> the trouble to do that level of data recovery, just removing the 
> directories and overwriting the tracks (so the data is no longer there
for normal reading or viewing the tracks) should be enough.
>
>
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Re: Question about wiping a DS8100

2011-02-25 Thread Mark Pace
Plus, unlike a PC drive, on the DS8100 the data is stripped over multiple
drives.  Making data recovery on individual drives an exercise in futility.

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote:

> At 14:34 -0600 on 02/24/2011, McBride, Catherine wrote about Re: Question
> about wiping a DS8100:
>
>
>  Yes, using the web-based Storage Manager application to change the ranks
>> from one format to another will certainly work.
>> I was told that changing from one format to the other 3 times would be
>> best.
>>
>
> That need to switch 3 times is based on your level of desire to prevent
> recovery of your data. The first switch will remove all the directory data
> and overwrite all the tracks. That makes all the data vanish. However there
> are forensic  methods that may be able to read the erased data although it
> has been overwritten. Thus the additional reformats (which makes the data
> harder to find on the drive using the forensic methods). This is the same
> situation as with PC Hard Drives and Secure Erase. You use a higher Secure
> Erase setting to rewrite the tracks more times. Unless you expect that
> someone is going to go to the trouble to do that level of data recovery,
> just removing the directories and overwriting the tracks (so the data is no
> longer there for normal reading or viewing the tracks) should be enough.
>
>
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Re: Question about wiping a DS8100

2011-02-25 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 14:34 -0600 on 02/24/2011, McBride, Catherine wrote about Re: 
Question about wiping a DS8100:



Yes, using the web-based Storage Manager application to change the ranks
from one format to another will certainly work.
I was told that changing from one format to the other 3 times would be
best.


That need to switch 3 times is based on your level of desire to 
prevent recovery of your data. The first switch will remove all the 
directory data and overwrite all the tracks. That makes all the data 
vanish. However there are forensic  methods that may be able to read 
the erased data although it has been overwritten. Thus the additional 
reformats (which makes the data harder to find on the drive using the 
forensic methods). This is the same situation as with PC Hard Drives 
and Secure Erase. You use a higher Secure Erase setting to rewrite 
the tracks more times. Unless you expect that someone is going to go 
to the trouble to do that level of data recovery, just removing the 
directories and overwriting the tracks (so the data is no longer 
there for normal reading or viewing the tracks) should be enough.


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Re: Question about wiping a DS8100

2011-02-24 Thread McBride, Catherine
Yes, using the web-based Storage Manager application to change the ranks
from one format to another will certainly work.
I was told that changing from one format to the other 3 times would be
best.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of Matthew Stitt
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 2:26 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Question about wiping a DS8100

You should be able to access the user interface through a browser and
delete the volumes, extent pools, ranks, etc.  When you perform those
operations the machine will format the disk drives.  As was suggested
early on, you also could change the extent pools, ranks, arrays from one
format to the other (Open to CKD).  That will most definitely cause a
disk format and the data will be gone.

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:19:44 -0700, Nancy R. Brizuela
 wrote:

>Hi Catherine,
>
>I wish our 3rd party provider had their act together like yours.  I've
asked him several times for suggestions or approaches--he says he'll
research it, but then I never hear back!  Thanks for the thought,
though--you have a very helpful group here!
>
>-Original Message-
>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On 
>Behalf
Of McBride, Catherine
>Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 2:40 PM
>To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
>Subject: Re: Question about wiping a DS8100
>
>You may want to check with your 3rd party maintenance provider as well.
>We are in a similar situation as yours, and our 3rd party provider 
>presented a few options.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On 
>Behalf
Of Nancy R. Brizuela
>Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:34 PM
>To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
>Subject: Re: Question about wiping a DS8100
>
>Thanks for such prompt responses, David, Claude, Mark, Ed, and Hal.   I
>neglected to mention that the DS8100 is no longer attached to a 
>mainframe
and that we no longer have a CE.  Alas, our mainframe was shipped off in
a truck four or five years ago and a couple years ago our managers
discovered they could save a lot of money by gong with a 3rd party
maintenance provider, so we are no longer with IBM.  Nevertheless, this
gives me some good leads.  I'll contact my former CE and investigate
some of the other options.  Thanks so much!
>
>From: Nancy R. Brizuela
>Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 10:50 AM
>To: 'IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU'
>Subject: Question about wiping a DS8100
>
>Hi All,
>
>I am new to this list.  I have a DS8100 that we are decommissioning and
using as a trade-in.  We need to make sure that all the data on this
system is erased before we ship it off.  Do any of you have any thoughts
on how to accomplish this at little or no expense?  Has anyone already
dealt with this issue?  Thanks!
>
>Nancy Brizuela
>Systems Programmer, Senior
>University of Wyoming
>IBM/Unix Systems Group
>

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Re: Question about wiping a DS8100

2011-02-24 Thread Matthew Stitt
You should be able to access the user interface through a browser and delete
the volumes, extent pools, ranks, etc.  When you perform those operations
the machine will format the disk drives.  As was suggested early on, you
also could change the extent pools, ranks, arrays from one format to the
other (Open to CKD).  That will most definitely cause a disk format and the
data will be gone.

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:19:44 -0700, Nancy R. Brizuela  wrote:

>Hi Catherine,
>
>I wish our 3rd party provider had their act together like yours.  I've
asked him several times for suggestions or approaches--he says he'll
research it, but then I never hear back!  Thanks for the thought,
though--you have a very helpful group here!
>
>-Original Message-
>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf
Of McBride, Catherine
>Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 2:40 PM
>To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
>Subject: Re: Question about wiping a DS8100
>
>You may want to check with your 3rd party maintenance provider as well.
>We are in a similar situation as yours, and our 3rd party provider
>presented a few options.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf
Of Nancy R. Brizuela
>Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:34 PM
>To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
>Subject: Re: Question about wiping a DS8100
>
>Thanks for such prompt responses, David, Claude, Mark, Ed, and Hal.   I
>neglected to mention that the DS8100 is no longer attached to a mainframe
and that we no longer have a CE.  Alas, our mainframe was shipped off in a
truck four or five years ago and a couple years ago our managers discovered
they could save a lot of money by gong with a 3rd party maintenance
provider, so we are no longer with IBM.  Nevertheless, this gives me some
good leads.  I'll contact my former CE and investigate some of the other
options.  Thanks so much!
>
>From: Nancy R. Brizuela
>Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 10:50 AM
>To: 'IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU'
>Subject: Question about wiping a DS8100
>
>Hi All,
>
>I am new to this list.  I have a DS8100 that we are decommissioning and
using as a trade-in.  We need to make sure that all the data on this system
is erased before we ship it off.  Do any of you have any thoughts on how to
accomplish this at little or no expense?  Has anyone already dealt with this
issue?  Thanks!
>
>Nancy Brizuela
>Systems Programmer, Senior
>University of Wyoming
>IBM/Unix Systems Group
>

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Re: Question about wiping a DS8100

2011-02-24 Thread Nancy R. Brizuela
Hi Catherine,

I wish our 3rd party provider had their act together like yours.  I've asked 
him several times for suggestions or approaches--he says he'll research it, but 
then I never hear back!  Thanks for the thought, though--you have a very 
helpful group here! 

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of 
McBride, Catherine
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 2:40 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Question about wiping a DS8100

You may want to check with your 3rd party maintenance provider as well.
We are in a similar situation as yours, and our 3rd party provider
presented a few options.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of 
Nancy R. Brizuela
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:34 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Question about wiping a DS8100

Thanks for such prompt responses, David, Claude, Mark, Ed, and Hal.   I
neglected to mention that the DS8100 is no longer attached to a mainframe and 
that we no longer have a CE.  Alas, our mainframe was shipped off in a truck 
four or five years ago and a couple years ago our managers discovered they 
could save a lot of money by gong with a 3rd party maintenance provider, so we 
are no longer with IBM.  Nevertheless, this gives me some good leads.  I'll 
contact my former CE and investigate some of the other options.  Thanks so much!

From: Nancy R. Brizuela
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 10:50 AM
To: 'IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU'
Subject: Question about wiping a DS8100

Hi All,

I am new to this list.  I have a DS8100 that we are decommissioning and using 
as a trade-in.  We need to make sure that all the data on this system is erased 
before we ship it off.  Do any of you have any thoughts on how to accomplish 
this at little or no expense?  Has anyone already dealt with this issue?  
Thanks!

Nancy Brizuela
Systems Programmer, Senior
University of Wyoming
IBM/Unix Systems Group


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Re: Question about wiping a DS8100

2011-02-23 Thread McBride, Catherine
You may want to check with your 3rd party maintenance provider as well.
We are in a similar situation as yours, and our 3rd party provider
presented a few options.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of Nancy R. Brizuela
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:34 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Question about wiping a DS8100

Thanks for such prompt responses, David, Claude, Mark, Ed, and Hal.   I
neglected to mention that the DS8100 is no longer attached to a
mainframe and that we no longer have a CE.  Alas, our mainframe was
shipped off in a truck four or five years ago and a couple years ago our
managers discovered they could save a lot of money by gong with a 3rd
party maintenance provider, so we are no longer with IBM.  Nevertheless,
this gives me some good leads.  I'll contact my former CE and
investigate some of the other options.  Thanks so much!

From: Nancy R. Brizuela
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 10:50 AM
To: 'IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU'
Subject: Question about wiping a DS8100

Hi All,

I am new to this list.  I have a DS8100 that we are decommissioning and
using as a trade-in.  We need to make sure that all the data on this
system is erased before we ship it off.  Do any of you have any thoughts
on how to accomplish this at little or no expense?  Has anyone already
dealt with this issue?  Thanks!

Nancy Brizuela
Systems Programmer, Senior
University of Wyoming
IBM/Unix Systems Group


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Re: Question about wiping a DS8100

2011-02-23 Thread Nancy R. Brizuela
Thanks for such prompt responses, David, Claude, Mark, Ed, and Hal.   I 
neglected to mention that the DS8100 is no longer attached to a mainframe and 
that we no longer have a CE.  Alas, our mainframe was shipped off in a truck 
four or five years ago and a couple years ago our managers discovered they 
could save a lot of money by gong with a 3rd party maintenance provider, so we 
are no longer with IBM.  Nevertheless, this gives me some good leads.  I'll 
contact my former CE and investigate some of the other options.  Thanks so much!

From: Nancy R. Brizuela
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 10:50 AM
To: 'IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU'
Subject: Question about wiping a DS8100

Hi All,

I am new to this list.  I have a DS8100 that we are decommissioning and using 
as a trade-in.  We need to make sure that all the data on this system is erased 
before we ship it off.  Do any of you have any thoughts on how to accomplish 
this at little or no expense?  Has anyone already dealt with this issue?  
Thanks!

Nancy Brizuela
Systems Programmer, Senior
University of Wyoming
IBM/Unix Systems Group


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Re: Question about wiping a DS8100

2011-02-23 Thread Mike Schwab
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:04 PM, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
 wrote:
> Nancy,
>
> I believe the ICKDSF TRKFMT command will do what you need. It has an Erase 
> parameter.
>
> David O'Brien
> NIH Contractor
That is what we do.  It writes 3 patterns, Repeating 00's, 11's, and
01's for the whole track.
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Re: Question about wiping a DS8100

2011-02-23 Thread Hal Merritt
Ask your friendly CE. I am told that they have effective ways to sanitize the 
unit. 
 
 
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Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 11:50 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Question about wiping a DS8100

Hi All,

I am new to this list.  I have a DS8100 that we are decommissioning and using 
as a trade-in.  We need to make sure that all the data on this system is erased 
before we ship it off.  Do any of you have any thoughts on how to accomplish 
this at little or no expense?  Has anyone already dealt with this issue?  
Thanks!

Nancy Brizuela
Systems Programmer, Senior
University of Wyoming
IBM/Unix Systems Group



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Re: Question about wiping a DS8100

2011-02-23 Thread Ed Finnell
Probably just convert LCU to what it isn't; i.e., if it's MVS cnvt to  
*Nix, if it's *Nix cnvt to MVS. CE has  wiping tool but they  charge depending 
on contract fine print. 
 
 
In a message dated 2/23/2011 12:06:37 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
pacemainl...@gmail.com writes:

Delete  the CKD/FB volumes, extentpools, ranks, arrays, and arraysites.   
The
logical pieces can't be put back together  again.



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Re: Question about wiping a DS8100

2011-02-23 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Nancy,

I believe the ICKDSF TRKFMT command will do what you need. It has an Erase 
parameter.

David O'Brien
NIH Contractor


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Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 12:50 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Question about wiping a DS8100

Hi All,

I am new to this list.  I have a DS8100 that we are decommissioning and using 
as a trade-in.  We need to make sure that all the data on this system is erased 
before we ship it off.  Do any of you have any thoughts on how to accomplish 
this at little or no expense?  Has anyone already dealt with this issue?  
Thanks!

Nancy Brizuela
Systems Programmer, Senior
University of Wyoming
IBM/Unix Systems Group



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Re: Question about wiping a DS8100

2011-02-23 Thread Mark Pace
Delete the CKD/FB volumes, extentpools, ranks, arrays, and arraysites.  The
logical pieces can't be put back together again.

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Nancy R. Brizuela wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I am new to this list.  I have a DS8100 that we are decommissioning and
> using as a trade-in.  We need to make sure that all the data on this system
> is erased before we ship it off.  Do any of you have any thoughts on how to
> accomplish this at little or no expense?  Has anyone already dealt with this
> issue?  Thanks!
>
> Nancy Brizuela
> Systems Programmer, Senior
> University of Wyoming
> IBM/Unix Systems Group
>
>
>
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Re: Question about wiping a DS8100

2011-02-23 Thread Richbourg, Claude
I believe New Era has a product that you may use, lease for not too much
money that will do the trick.
We did three writes across everything with different patterns when we
collapsed one a couple of years ago, old DOD standards.

That is the basic deed, three write patterns to erase, cover the old
data.

Hope that helps kinda.

Claude

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Subject: Question about wiping a DS8100

Hi All,

I am new to this list.  I have a DS8100 that we are decommissioning and
using as a trade-in.  We need to make sure that all the data on this
system is erased before we ship it off.  Do any of you have any thoughts
on how to accomplish this at little or no expense?  Has anyone already
dealt with this issue?  Thanks!

Nancy Brizuela
Systems Programmer, Senior
University of Wyoming
IBM/Unix Systems Group



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Question about wiping a DS8100

2011-02-23 Thread Nancy R. Brizuela
Hi All,

I am new to this list.  I have a DS8100 that we are decommissioning and using 
as a trade-in.  We need to make sure that all the data on this system is erased 
before we ship it off.  Do any of you have any thoughts on how to accomplish 
this at little or no expense?  Has anyone already dealt with this issue?  
Thanks!

Nancy Brizuela
Systems Programmer, Senior
University of Wyoming
IBM/Unix Systems Group



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