Re: Question on 64 bit
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Stephen Y Odo > > Same here ... we started on our "5-year plan" to migrate off > of the mainframe ... about 17 years ago ... > > We're now down to our last big application on the mainframe > ... and are scheduled to decommission our mainframe at the > end of this year. But I heard we ran into a snag with the > replacement system. So was told to plan on keeping the > mainframe running 'til around 2011. So we're now working on > upgrading from z/OS 1.4 to 1.7 and then to 1.9 this year to > keep current. Wonder if we'll need new hardware before we're finally > ready to decommission the mainframe? ;-> Well, since you "obviously" have a "zSomething" right now (else you could not contemplate z/OS 1.7 et seq.), you might want to wait a bit to upgrade your hardware: "Rumor" has it that z6-based machinery will become available "soon". :-) -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question on 64 bit
I know it's bad form to reply to your own posts; I wish to clarify. Since, 1.4 is no longer supported, technically its co-existance is no longer supported with any release. But, we know it does work with 1.7. But, your biggest problem is going to be ISV software. And, a 2-year gap is going to be huge to overcome. >>Well I still want to go to 1.7 before 1.9. Since I have not really touched >>z/OS in two years. >You should do that anyways. >1.4 co-existance with anything higher than 1.7 is not supported. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question on 64 bit
>Well I still want to go to 1.7 before 1.9. Since I have not really touched >z/OS in two years. You should do that anyways. 1.4 co-existance with anything higher than 1.7 is not supported. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question on 64 bit
Well I still want to go to 1.7 before 1.9. Since I have not really touched z/OS in two years. Pat Mihalec Rush University Medical Center Senior System Programmer (312) 942-8386 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question on 64 bit
>Same here ... we started on our "5-year plan" to migrate off of the mainframe >... about 17 years ago ... The company I used to work for, figured it would be 5 years and $100,000,000. Then they outsourced appdev to an Indian company that never learned how the applications truly worked and downsized the few techies that were left. They don't have the knowledge base to convert, or maintain. The mainframe will go away to the atrophy of the remainin skills -- especially the business knowledge. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question on 64 bit
Actually 1.7 end of support is September 30, 2008. Mark jacobs -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pat Mihalec Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 4:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question on 64 bit No, I ordered 1.7 when I still could, just in case. I plan to upgrade to 1.7, knowing that it will be out of support next year. Before the brakes were put on we had upgraded everything with plans to jump to 64 then 1.7. Since there are only two of us doing this I am going to stick with that plan. Pat Mihalec Rush University Medical Center Senior System Programmer (312) 942-8386 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 01/29/2008 03:52 PM To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU, Pat Mihalec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc Tom Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject Re: Question on 64 bit ...so are you going to jump from z/OS 1.4 to 1.9 ? Or 1.8? -- Tom Schmidt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question on 64 bit
Same here ... we started on our "5-year plan" to migrate off of the mainframe ... about 17 years ago ... We're now down to our last big application on the mainframe ... and are scheduled to decommission our mainframe at the end of this year. But I heard we ran into a snag with the replacement system. So was told to plan on keeping the mainframe running 'til around 2011. So we're now working on upgrading from z/OS 1.4 to 1.7 and then to 1.9 this year to keep current. Wonder if we'll need new hardware before we're finally ready to decommission the mainframe? ;-> --Stephen Ted MacNEIL wrote: The current management plans to allow z/OS to die a natural death of old age They may die of old age first. I have been waiting for the 'death of the mainframe' for over 20 years. Why do we upgrade every 6 months on a dying platform. And, generate millions of lines of COBOL every year? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question on 64 bit
>The current management plans to allow z/OS to die a natural death of old age They may die of old age first. I have been waiting for the 'death of the mainframe' for over 20 years. Why do we upgrade every 6 months on a dying platform. And, generate millions of lines of COBOL every year? - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question on 64 bit
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tony babonas > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:53 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Question on 64 bit > > > Dontcha love it when the platform stays and the management > leaves. :-) Yes. We've done that twice now. And the mainframe (z/OS) continues to be the main, mission critical, server. The previous administration was going to convert everything on the mainframe to Windows in 9 months. The current management plans to allow z/OS to die a natural death of old age (3 to 5 years by their estimate), but is converting a number of Windows systems to Linux. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question on 64 bit
No, I ordered 1.7 when I still could, just in case. I plan to upgrade to 1.7, knowing that it will be out of support next year. Before the brakes were put on we had upgraded everything with plans to jump to 64 then 1.7. Since there are only two of us doing this I am going to stick with that plan. Pat Mihalec Rush University Medical Center Senior System Programmer (312) 942-8386 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 01/29/2008 03:52 PM To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU, Pat Mihalec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc Tom Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject Re: Question on 64 bit ...so are you going to jump from z/OS 1.4 to 1.9 ? Or 1.8? -- Tom Schmidt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question on 64 bit
Dontcha love it when the platform stays and the management leaves. :-) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pat Mihalec Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question on 64 bit Thanks, we have not done any upgrades to the Mainframe in over two years. My memory cells were very fuzzy on this. I had changed the memory but had not IPL'd. We just did that now and all is looking good. The management that was here has left. The decision has been made that the cpu will remain here for at least 3 more years and the current management agrees living on unsupported software for that long is not a good idea. Now I get to take off my new Unix hat and put the MVS hat back on. Pat Mihalec Rush University Medical Center Senior System Programmer (312) 942-8386 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "McKown, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 01/29/2008 03:29 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: Question on 64 bit > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:13 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Question on 64 bit > > > >I am planning on doing a POR so that I can set the memory > for the Tech LPAR for no expanded and IPL it for 64 bit > processing. Can I setup the PROD LPAR so that when I'm ready > to IPL it to 64 byte I just need to do the IPL and not a second POR? > > You don't need a POR, at all. > Just change the address mode and memory settings, de-activate > and re-activate each LPAR, as you move forward. And you don't even absolutely __need__ to do a deactivate and activate, just change to 64 bit mode in the LOAD member. If your LPAR defination has XSTOR in 64 bit mode, you'll just get a whining message at IPL time and the XSTOR is ignored. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.15/1249 - Release Date: 1/29/2008 9:51 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.15/1249 - Release Date: 1/29/2008 9:51 AM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question on 64 bit
...so are you going to jump from z/OS 1.4 to 1.9 ? Or 1.8? -- Tom Schmidt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question on 64 bit
Thanks, we have not done any upgrades to the Mainframe in over two years. My memory cells were very fuzzy on this. I had changed the memory but had not IPL'd. We just did that now and all is looking good. The management that was here has left. The decision has been made that the cpu will remain here for at least 3 more years and the current management agrees living on unsupported software for that long is not a good idea. Now I get to take off my new Unix hat and put the MVS hat back on. Pat Mihalec Rush University Medical Center Senior System Programmer (312) 942-8386 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "McKown, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 01/29/2008 03:29 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: Question on 64 bit > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:13 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Question on 64 bit > > > >I am planning on doing a POR so that I can set the memory > for the Tech LPAR for no expanded and IPL it for 64 bit > processing. Can I setup the PROD LPAR so that when I'm ready > to IPL it to 64 byte I just need to do the IPL and not a second POR? > > You don't need a POR, at all. > Just change the address mode and memory settings, de-activate > and re-activate each LPAR, as you move forward. And you don't even absolutely __need__ to do a deactivate and activate, just change to 64 bit mode in the LOAD member. If your LPAR defination has XSTOR in 64 bit mode, you'll just get a whining message at IPL time and the XSTOR is ignored. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question on 64 bit
>If your LPAR defination has XSTOR in 64 bit mode, you'll just get a whining >message at IPL time and the XSTOR is ignored. You'll get more than that! We had a large IMS/DB2 environment that went from 10GB (2C/8E) to 2GB (ignored the XSTOR). Paging went through the roof; the AUX couldn't handle it; transactions died; eventually the sub-systems crashed. So, yes, you DO need to de/re-activate and change the definition in a large online environment! - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question on 64 bit
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:13 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Question on 64 bit > > > >I am planning on doing a POR so that I can set the memory > for the Tech LPAR for no expanded and IPL it for 64 bit > processing. Can I setup the PROD LPAR so that when I'm ready > to IPL it to 64 byte I just need to do the IPL and not a second POR? > > You don't need a POR, at all. > Just change the address mode and memory settings, de-activate > and re-activate each LPAR, as you move forward. And you don't even absolutely __need__ to do a deactivate and activate, just change to 64 bit mode in the LOAD member. If your LPAR defination has XSTOR in 64 bit mode, you'll just get a whining message at IPL time and the XSTOR is ignored. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question on 64 bit
>I am planning on doing a POR so that I can set the memory for the Tech LPAR >for no expanded and IPL it for 64 bit processing. Can I setup the PROD LPAR so >that when I'm ready to IPL it to 64 byte I just need to do the IPL and not a >second POR? You don't need a POR, at all. Just change the address mode and memory settings, de-activate and re-activate each LPAR, as you move forward. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question on 64 bit
Pat Mihalec wrote: > I know I'm behind the curve, but management is to blame. I am currently > running z/OS 1.4 in 32 byte. I think they are going to let me upgrade, at > last. > The question I need assistance on is this: I am planning on doing a POR so > that I can set the memory for the Tech LPAR for no expanded and IPL it for > 64 bit processing. Can I setup the PROD LPAR so that when I'm ready to IPL > it to 64 byte I just need to do the IPL and not a second POR? > > Thanks in advance. > > Pat Mihalec > Rush University Medical Center > Senior System Programmer > (312) 942-8386 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > You don't need to POR the box. Just deactivate the LPAR, change the storage allocations in the HMC for the lpar and reactivate/ipl. If you have ARCHLVL in LOADxx make sure that it specifies 2 (Or take it out altogether) -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL Riley: Find the next number in the sequence: 313, 331, 367, ...? what? The Doctor: 379. It's a sequence of happy primes, 379. Martha: Happy what? The Doctor: Just enter it! Riley: Are you sure? We only get one chance. The Doctor: Any number that reduces to one when you take the sum of the square of its digits and continue iterating until it yields 1 is a happy number, any number that doesn't, isn't. A happy prime is both happy and prime. Doctor Who episode "42" -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Question on 64 bit
I know I'm behind the curve, but management is to blame. I am currently running z/OS 1.4 in 32 byte. I think they are going to let me upgrade, at last. The question I need assistance on is this: I am planning on doing a POR so that I can set the memory for the Tech LPAR for no expanded and IPL it for 64 bit processing. Can I setup the PROD LPAR so that when I'm ready to IPL it to 64 byte I just need to do the IPL and not a second POR? Thanks in advance. Pat Mihalec Rush University Medical Center Senior System Programmer (312) 942-8386 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
