Re: RMF Mentor required
On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 11:00 -0500, Joe jeffries wrote: > ... (I stopped drinking 10 years ago). Can't have been much fun playing all those games of poker in the last few years then ... > I wouldn't say my RMF knowledge is even that hot as I know what it's > telling me (in pretty good detail), I just can't seem to get it to show me > what I need to see. One of the "joys" of the analysis unfortunately. > Example, RMFIII is fine, I can sort out any day-to-day performance problem > that comes along. But in the past, PP/MonitorI and spreadsheet reporter > were already setup. So where do i start trend analysis? Now I've got to set > them up from scratch, i'm struggling. It's not that no-one wants to help, but this is typically very site specific. You said the client already had a performance team, and RMF III was working. Hence all the data is probably being collected already - dataset names (and the dump jobs) you'll have to ask locally for. In need the RMF manuals and that Redbook should cover install issues. The spreadsheet reporter should be handy for you to get a handle on how the shop's performing I/O-wise. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: RMF Mentor required
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM Sent: Thursday August 10 2006 02:23 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RMF Mentor required ""Joe jeffries"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > I never claimed to be able to SPELL in Dutch, I tried extremely hard to > learn the language for 6 months but gave in and put my energies into > freshly brewed Amstel instead. > > You obviously haven't heard my German (ich bin eine hamburger!). - Well, phonetically it was quite correct Dutch. - Clearly: it should be: *ein* Hamburger, eine is female ;-) Likewise "eine Hamburgerin". ;-) Later, Ray -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: RMF Mentor required
Thanks James, I'll read that over the weekend (what fun). You're quite right, my knowledge of Malts is less than impressive (I stopped drinking 10 years ago). I thought Glenmorangie WAS extremely peaty. My favorite tipple back in the day was Black Bush from N.Ireland. I wouldn't say my RMF knowledge is even that hot as I know what it's telling me (in pretty good detail), I just can't seem to get it to show me what I need to see. Example, RMFIII is fine, I can sort out any day-to-day performance problem that comes along. But in the past, PP/MonitorI and spreadsheet reporter were already setup. So where do i start trend analysis? Now I've got to set them up from scratch, i'm struggling. No worries, Thanks for the pointers and i'll keep my unwanted prezzie (said bottle from the glen of tranquility) for a more pressing matter. JJ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: RMF Mentor required
""Joe jeffries"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > I never claimed to be able to SPELL in Dutch, I tried extremely hard to > learn the language for 6 months but gave in and put my energies into > freshly brewed Amstel instead. > > You obviously haven't heard my German (ich bin eine hamburger!). > > JJ > - Well, phonetically it was quite correct Dutch. - Clearly: it should be: *ein* Hamburger, eine is female ;-) Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: RMF Mentor required
I never claimed to be able to SPELL in Dutch, I tried extremely hard to learn the language for 6 months but gave in and put my energies into freshly brewed Amstel instead. You obviously haven't heard my German (ich bin eine hamburger!). JJ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: RMF Mentor required
""Joe jeffries"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > Shane/Kees, > > Glenmorangie is an ISLAY if i'm not mistaken...nn donuts > > PS. Kees, did you used to work at Die Telegraf back in the late 80's early > 90's ? (i'm sure i remember that name (vornooy not kees lol)) - mach ik die > reckoning aus du blieft? > > Regards, > No, I worked all my life for KLM and Kees has been my first name all that time -;) Your Dutch sounds quite German, in Dutch it is: mag ik de rekening alstublieft. You were a frequent visitor of places where that phrase is common I suppose? Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: RMF Mentor required
Joe I hope you know more about RMF than malt whisky!!! Glenmorangie is actually from the Northern Highlands and a much 'milder' flavor than that of the Islay malts which are characterized by a heavy peat flavor and a not insignificant touch of iodine Back to RMF - the redbook 'Effective zSeries Performance Monitoring using RMF' is a great source of information. James F. Smith Skype jamesfs1 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe jeffries Sent: 09 August 2006 22:34 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RMF Mentor required Shane/Kees, I'm aware of PAV's/Multiple allegiances etc. and I've read up on what the ESS can and can't do (it can't cope with XRC device blocking anywhere near as well as the HDS's for example). As far as I can see, the new boxes do a lot of the tuning for you but from what I read, it starts to struggle when over 90% allocated? I would still prefer to have a system in place for checking in the event of problems. Surely the ESS can't move 2 busy datasets apart (or is it that clever)? We're already using PAV's and as such I see an end to IOSQ time, that still leaves 3 components to monitor? As for the nightly, well, I sort of see this as I do my day, ask my questions when i get stuck, mentor has 6 days to reply so it doesn't matter where/what time in the world? Glenmorangie is an ISLAY if i'm not mistaken...nn donuts PS. Kees, did you used to work at Die Telegraf back in the late 80's early 90's ? (i'm sure i remember that name (vornooy not kees lol)) - mach ik die reckoning aus du blieft? Regards, JJ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: RMF Mentor required
Shane/Kees, I'm aware of PAV's/Multiple allegiances etc. and I've read up on what the ESS can and can't do (it can't cope with XRC device blocking anywhere near as well as the HDS's for example). As far as I can see, the new boxes do a lot of the tuning for you but from what I read, it starts to struggle when over 90% allocated? I would still prefer to have a system in place for checking in the event of problems. Surely the ESS can't move 2 busy datasets apart (or is it that clever)? We're already using PAV's and as such I see an end to IOSQ time, that still leaves 3 components to monitor? As for the nightly, well, I sort of see this as I do my day, ask my questions when i get stuck, mentor has 6 days to reply so it doesn't matter where/what time in the world? Glenmorangie is an ISLAY if i'm not mistaken...nn donuts PS. Kees, did you used to work at Die Telegraf back in the late 80's early 90's ? (i'm sure i remember that name (vornooy not kees lol)) - mach ik die reckoning aus du blieft? Regards, JJ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: RMF Mentor required
"Shane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 15:25 +0200, Kees wrote: > > > Why do it yourself if you can let the system do it for you, we are the > > automation department, aren't we? > > Don't be like that Kees, there's a malt being offered here mate. > A nice Islay sounds o.k - I'm running low; just get it sent > here ... ;-) > > Shane ... The malt is for weekly assistence, I only provide suggestions, so the reward is still there for you to earn. Beware of the timedifference, it might get a nightly job for you down there Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: RMF Mentor required
On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 15:25 +0200, Kees wrote: > Why do it yourself if you can let the system do it for you, we are the > automation department, aren't we? Don't be like that Kees, there's a malt being offered here mate. A nice Islay sounds o.k - I'm running low; just get it sent here ... ;-) Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: RMF Mentor required
""Joe jeffries"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > Hi, > > I've been allowed 1 day a week to start I/O performance monitoring/tuning > for a large multinational who has a capacity and performance team but who > do not respond to I/O performance problems. > > I'm looking for someone who can spend 5-10 minutes a week to help with > setting the monitoring for the production sysplex. There are a further 6 > sysplexes to be setup but I figure that once I've setup the first one, I > can setup the remainder on my own. > > With just 1 day per week, it will be a fairly slow process but better 1 day > a week than none. > > We run ESS and HDS dasd and have no I/O performance problems to speak of as > yet. The person who used to fulfill this role left 18months ago and nothing > has been done since. > > My background is ex-sysprog/data storage admin (5 years out playing > poker/golf) so i'm aware of I/O control blocks and how I/O moves through > the system and what the RMF reports are telling me (I use MON3 fairly > regularly and used RMF a great deal in my previous mainframe life - The > problem is, it was already setup and I knew where to look). I need to start > this from scratch so could do with some help in the short term to > start/setup RMF trend analysis for my site. > > I've had my head stuck in RMF manuals for the past couple of weeks so have > an idea of where i need to go, it's just the first few steps that are > losing me. How do you start the longterm monitoring? > > Either direct to my/your email or via the list would be fine if anyone can > spare the time. A large bottle of single malt (or alternative of your > choice) and my undying gratitude is the sweetner(if you are happy to supply > an address). I'm more than happy to ship it anywhere in the world. > > Regards, > > Joe Jeffries > Joe, If you have really not kept up with the techniques of the last 5 years, I suggest you get some ESS and WLM books for a change. PAV's, especially WLM managed dynamic PAV's take a lot of tuning work out of your hands. Why do it yourself if you can let the system do it for you, we are the automation department, aren't we? Success, Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
RMF Mentor required
Hi, I've been allowed 1 day a week to start I/O performance monitoring/tuning for a large multinational who has a capacity and performance team but who do not respond to I/O performance problems. I'm looking for someone who can spend 5-10 minutes a week to help with setting the monitoring for the production sysplex. There are a further 6 sysplexes to be setup but I figure that once I've setup the first one, I can setup the remainder on my own. With just 1 day per week, it will be a fairly slow process but better 1 day a week than none. We run ESS and HDS dasd and have no I/O performance problems to speak of as yet. The person who used to fulfill this role left 18months ago and nothing has been done since. My background is ex-sysprog/data storage admin (5 years out playing poker/golf) so i'm aware of I/O control blocks and how I/O moves through the system and what the RMF reports are telling me (I use MON3 fairly regularly and used RMF a great deal in my previous mainframe life - The problem is, it was already setup and I knew where to look). I need to start this from scratch so could do with some help in the short term to start/setup RMF trend analysis for my site. I've had my head stuck in RMF manuals for the past couple of weeks so have an idea of where i need to go, it's just the first few steps that are losing me. How do you start the longterm monitoring? Either direct to my/your email or via the list would be fine if anyone can spare the time. A large bottle of single malt (or alternative of your choice) and my undying gratitude is the sweetner(if you are happy to supply an address). I'm more than happy to ship it anywhere in the world. Regards, Joe Jeffries -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
