Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-07 Thread Lloyd Fuller 
What do you mean Sun was the first?

The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the early 
1960s - 40 years before Sun "thought" of the idea.  The Army even had those in 
Vietnam for the division data centers.

Lloyd

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> Subject: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
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> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [On Behalf Of Anne
> & Lynn Wheeler
> > 
> > [ snip ]
> > 
> > IBM thinks outside the box with containerized data
> centres
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/07/ibm_data_center_containers/
> > 
> > from above:
> > 
> > The idea of putting servers, storage, and networking
> gear into metal
> > shipping containers and linking them together into a
> data centre
> cluster
> > is not a new idea - Sun Microsystems was the first to
> propose the idea
> > back in October 2006 - but it is catching on enough
> that IBM is
> > endorsing the concept and shipping a product.
> 
>   The USMC has had "portable" air
> traffic control facilities
> of this nature since at least 1965.  Still cheaper
> than IBM's "portable"
> data centers:
> 
> http://www.governmentcontractswon.com/department/defense/an-tsq-18-landi
> ng-cntrl-cntr.asp?yr=00
> 
>    -jc-
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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-07 Thread Thompson, Steve 
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What do you mean Sun was the first?

The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the
early 1960s - 40 years before Sun "thought" of the idea.  The Army even
had those in Vietnam for the division data centers.

Lloyd


Yeah, and they had 600' of channel cables attached to a jeep to use as a
mouse.

Sorry, I just couldn't get this cartoon out of my mind of the original
mouse...

Regards,
Steve Thompson

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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-07 Thread Lloyd Fuller 
Mouse?  the only stinking mouse was the one eating the punch cards!  These were 
batch machines running DOS/VS.

They did have lots of cable and the installations that I saw were REAL careful 
about what kind of traffic even came close to the trailers.  In fact even foot 
traffic was discouraged!

Lloyd

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> Mob
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> 
> What do you mean Sun was the first?
> 
> The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers
> back in the
> early 1960s - 40 years before Sun "thought" of the
> idea.  The Army even
> had those in Vietnam for the division data centers.
> 
> Lloyd
> 
> 
> Yeah, and they had 600' of channel cables attached to a
> jeep to use as a
> mouse.
> 
> Sorry, I just couldn't get this cartoon out of my mind of
> the original
> mouse...
> 
> Regards,
> Steve Thompson
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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-07 Thread Howard Brazee 
On 7 Dec 2009 13:01:33 -0800, steve_thomp...@stercomm.com (Thompson,
Steve) wrote:

>What do you mean Sun was the first?
>
>The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the
>early 1960s - 40 years before Sun "thought" of the idea.  The Army even
>had those in Vietnam for the division data centers.

How big were those, compared to an iPod?

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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-07 Thread Lloyd Fuller 

Howard Brazee wrote:

On 7 Dec 2009 13:01:33 -0800, steve_thomp...@stercomm.com (Thompson,
Steve) wrote:


What do you mean Sun was the first?

The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the
early 1960s - 40 years before Sun "thought" of the idea.  The Army even
had those in Vietnam for the division data centers.


How big were those, compared to an iPod?



Let's put it this way:  even Shrek could not have put it into a shirt 
pocket like I can mine.  These were full 18wheeler trailers - 30 foot or 
maybe more?


Lloyd

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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-07 Thread Linda Mooney 
No kidding!  Was Sun even "born" yet? 



I started with my current employer in 1984.  Couple of months later, we were 
putting in a new mainframe.  A full sized 18 wheeler (probably a 65 footer) 
pulled up along side the building, along with another one with generators to 
run the mainframe in the first.  Our data center was pretty small and in order 
to swap out the mainframe the workload was moved on to the machine in the truck 
while we did a push/pull in the data center.  We ran the better part of a week 
like that, then we cut over to the new machine in the data c enter.  Changed 
out the mainframe with only 2 IPLs worth of outage.  Pretty fine.  Not SUN , 
IBM. 



Linda Mooney 


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Subject: Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage) 

Howard Brazee wrote: 
> On 7 Dec 2009 13:01:33 -0800, steve_thomp...@stercomm.com (Thompson, 
> Steve) wrote: 
> 
>> What do you mean Sun was the first? 
>> 
>> The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the 
>> early 1960s - 40 years before Sun "thought" of the idea.  The Army even 
>> had those in Vietnam for the division data centers. 
> 
> How big were those, compared to an iPod? 
> 

Let's put it this way:  even Shrek could not have put it into a shirt 
pocket like I can mine.  These were full 18wheeler trailers - 30 foot or 
maybe more? 

Lloyd 

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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-08 Thread Chase, John 
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Howard Brazee
> 
> On 7 Dec 2009 13:01:33 -0800, steve_thomp...@stercomm.com (Thompson,
> Steve) wrote:
> 
> >What do you mean Sun was the first?
> >
> >The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the
> >early 1960s - 40 years before Sun "thought" of the idea.  The Army
even
> >had those in Vietnam for the division data centers.
> 
> How big were those, compared to an iPod?

Probably like battleship::kayak.

-jc-

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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-08 Thread Howard Brazee 
On 8 Dec 2009 05:02:00 -0800, jch...@ussco.com (Chase, John) wrote:

>> How big were those, compared to an iPod?
>
>Probably like battleship::kayak.

Physical size.   How about capacity?

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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-08 Thread Lloyd Fuller 

Howard Brazee wrote:

On 8 Dec 2009 05:02:00 -0800, jch...@ussco.com (Chase, John) wrote:


How big were those, compared to an iPod?

Probably like battleship::kayak.


Physical size.   How about capacity?



360/30s with < 256K.  Full 2314 = 8 x 800K.  I am not sure how many tape 
 drives, but they were the old 7-track probably 800 BPI.


One or two of them might have been 360/40s.  But all of the ones that I 
saw in trailers were mod 30s.  As far as I know, they all ran DOS:  the 
first DOS not DOS/VS since they were 306s.  I think they ran Power, but 
I am not sure.


Lloyd

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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-08 Thread Scott Rowe 
The capacity of a 2314 drive is 7294 * 4000 = 29176000, or about 29MB, a full 
string would be about 233MB.

>>> Lloyd Fuller  12/08/09 8:37 PM >>>
Howard Brazee wrote:
> On 8 Dec 2009 05:02:00 -0800, jch...@ussco.com (Chase, John) wrote:
> 
>>> How big were those, compared to an iPod?
>> Probably like battleship::kayak.
> 
> Physical size.   How about capacity?
> 

360/30s with < 256K.  Full 2314 = 8 x 800K.  I am not sure how many tape 
  drives, but they were the old 7-track probably 800 BPI.

One or two of them might have been 360/40s.  But all of the ones that I 
saw in trailers were mod 30s.  As far as I know, they all ran DOS:  the 
first DOS not DOS/VS since they were 306s.  I think they ran Power, but 
I am not sure.

Lloyd

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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-08 Thread Rick Fochtman 

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How big were those, compared to an iPod?
 


Probably like battleship::kayak.
   



Physical size.   How about capacity?
 


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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-08 Thread William Donzelli 
> 360/30s with < 256K.  Full 2314 = 8 x 800K.  I am not sure how many tape
>  drives, but they were the old 7-track probably 800 BPI.
>
> One or two of them might have been 360/40s.  But all of the ones that I saw
> in trailers were mod 30s.  As far as I know, they all ran DOS:  the first
> DOS not DOS/VS since they were 306s.  I think they ran Power, but I am not
> sure.

I know this is probably way too obscure, but does anyone know the
JETDS nomenclature of these systems? AN/mumblefoo?

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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-08 Thread james smith 
Steve

Had on old Ops manager from Dallas TX who regaled me with stories of these
'portable machine rooms' in Vietnam.

How big they were is irrelevant - they did a job at the time.

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> > On 7 Dec 2009 13:01:33 -0800, steve_thomp...@stercomm.com (Thompson,
> > Steve) wrote:
> >
> > >What do you mean Sun was the first?
> > >
> > >The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the
> > >early 1960s - 40 years before Sun "thought" of the idea.  The Army
> even
> > >had those in Vietnam for the division data centers.
> >
> > How big were those, compared to an iPod?
>
> Probably like battleship::kayak.
>
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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) 
In <116095.94157...@web82208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, on 12/07/2009
   at 12:56 PM, Lloyd Fuller  said:

>What do you mean Sun was the first?

>The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the
>early 1960s - 40 years before Sun "thought" of the idea.  The Army even
>had those in Vietnam for the division data centers.

And MOBIDIC (sp?) was earlier than that.
 
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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-17 Thread Staller, Allan 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOBIDIC


>What do you mean Sun was the first?

>The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the
>early 1960s - 40 years before Sun "thought" of the idea.  The Army even
>had those in Vietnam for the division data centers.

And MOBIDIC (sp?) was earlier than that.

 

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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-17 Thread Rick Fochtman 

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And MOBIDIC (sp?) was earlier than that.
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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-20 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) 
In <4b2a9187.6050...@ync.net>, on 12/17/2009
   at 02:16 PM, Rick Fochtman  said:

>Are you sure that MOBIDIC isn't a social disease ???   :-)

Ask Herman. AFAIK it also wasn't a big white whale.
 
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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-21 Thread Chris Mason 
Lloyd

>...> The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the 
early 1960s ...

That'll be the *late* '60s.

> These were batch machines running DOS/VS.

... and it will have been DOS/360 not DOS/VS. "VS" did not burst onto 
the "360 GT" (370) commercial customer scene until 1972.

Chris Mason

On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:05:16 -0800, Lloyd Fuller  
wrote:

>Mouse?  the only stinking mouse was the one eating the punch cards!  These 
were batch machines running DOS/VS.
>
>They did have lots of cable and the installations that I saw were REAL 
careful about what kind of traffic even came close to the trailers.  In fact 
even foot traffic was discouraged!
>
>Lloyd
>
>--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Thompson, Steve 
 wrote:
>
>> From: Thompson, Steve 
>> Subject: Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob 
Advantage)
>> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
>> Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 4:00 PM
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Lloyd Fuller
>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 2:57 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
>> Subject: Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server
>> Mob
>> Advantage)
>>
>> What do you mean Sun was the first?
>>
>> The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers
>> back in the
>> early 1960s - 40 years before Sun "thought" of the
>> idea.  The Army even
>> had those in Vietnam for the division data centers.
>>
>> Lloyd
>> 
>>
>> Yeah, and they had 600' of channel cables attached to a
>> jeep to use as a
>> mouse.
>>
>> Sorry, I just couldn't get this cartoon out of my mind of
>> the original
>> mouse...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Steve Thompson

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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-21 Thread Chris Mason 
Lloyd

> 360/30s with < 256K.

The 360/30s I used to support in my trainee days, around 1968, were typically 
32K. Indeed DOS/360 was often just called "16K BOS" - if my memory serves 
me correctly. The *really* big 360/30s had 64K - wow!

As for DASD, 4 x 2311 was typical. Tape was for the bigger installations, 2 or 
4 drives.[1]

> I think they ran Power, but I am not sure.

POWER, the spooling function in DOS/360, was first talked about in about 
1969. It came out about the time I migrated from DOS/360 to OS/360.

Chris Mason

[1] At one installation, I tried to impress one of the system programmers by 
persuading her to try a COBOL compilation with work files assigned to tape - 
something I had just read was possible from the DOS COBOL Guide manual. 
Well, I thought it was impressive; I could have watched it all day and it 
seemed just the sort of thing films ought to use when they wanted to show "a 
computer".

On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:37:07 -0500, Lloyd Fuller  
wrote:

>Howard Brazee wrote:
>> On 8 Dec 2009 05:02:00 -0800, jch...@ussco.com (Chase, John) wrote:
>>
 How big were those, compared to an iPod?
>>> Probably like battleship::kayak.
>>
>> Physical size.   How about capacity?
>>
>
>360/30s with < 256K.  Full 2314 = 8 x 800K.  I am not sure how many tape
>  drives, but they were the old 7-track probably 800 BPI.
>
>One or two of them might have been 360/40s.  But all of the ones that I
>saw in trailers were mod 30s.  As far as I know, they all ran DOS:  the
>first DOS not DOS/VS since they were 306s.  I think they ran Power, but
>I am not sure.
>
>Lloyd

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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-21 Thread William Bishop 
Actually, we had them in Heidelberg Germany up to mid 1978, running DOS. 
The data center was actualy a set of vans connected by a wooden walkway.

Thanks

Bill Bishop

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Mainframe Support Group
Server Development & Support
Toyota Motor Engineering & Manufacturing North America, Inc.
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Lloyd

>...> The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the 

early 1960s ...

That'll be the *late* '60s.

> These were batch machines running DOS/VS.

... and it will have been DOS/360 not DOS/VS. "VS" did not burst onto 
the "360 GT" (370) commercial customer scene until 1972.

Chris Mason

On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:05:16 -0800, Lloyd Fuller  
wrote:

>Mouse?  the only stinking mouse was the one eating the punch cards! These 

were batch machines running DOS/VS.
>
>They did have lots of cable and the installations that I saw were REAL 
careful about what kind of traffic even came close to the trailers.  In 
fact 
even foot traffic was discouraged!
>
>Lloyd
>
>--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Thompson, Steve 
 wrote:
>
>> From: Thompson, Steve 
>> Subject: Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob 
Advantage)
>> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
>> Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 4:00 PM
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Lloyd Fuller
>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 2:57 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
>> Subject: Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server
>> Mob
>> Advantage)
>>
>> What do you mean Sun was the first?
>>
>> The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers
>> back in the
>> early 1960s - 40 years before Sun "thought" of the
>> idea.  The Army even
>> had those in Vietnam for the division data centers.
>>
>> Lloyd
>> 
>>
>> Yeah, and they had 600' of channel cables attached to a
>> jeep to use as a
>> mouse.
>>
>> Sorry, I just couldn't get this cartoon out of my mind of
>> the original
>> mouse...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Steve Thompson

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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-21 Thread Chris Mason 
Bill

You may have missed the point I was making here. Lloyd was claiming to be 
playing with 360/30s in the *early* '60s and I was adjusting that to 
necessarily being the *late* '60s  since it could not possibly have been the 
early '60s. I was not intending to limit the lifetime of the 360/30 to that 
hallucinogenic era.

Indeed I remember hearing about a 360/30 in one customer site where I did 
some work sometime in the early '70s which was being retained purely to 
perform 1401 emulation! I don't expect it was the only one.

Chris Mason

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:29:07 -0500, William Bishop 
 wrote:

>Actually, we had them in Heidelberg Germany up to mid 1978, running DOS.
>The data center was actualy a set of vans connected by a wooden walkway.
>
>Thanks
>
>Bill Bishop
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>Lloyd
>
>>...> The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers back in the
>
>early 1960s ...
>
>That'll be the *late* '60s.
>
>> These were batch machines running DOS/VS.
>
>... and it will have been DOS/360 not DOS/VS. "VS" did not burst onto
>the "360 GT" (370) commercial customer scene until 1972.
>
>Chris Mason
>
>On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:05:16 -0800, Lloyd Fuller 
>wrote:
>
>>Mouse?  the only stinking mouse was the one eating the punch cards! These
>
>were batch machines running DOS/VS.
>>
>>They did have lots of cable and the installations that I saw were REAL
>careful about what kind of traffic even came close to the trailers.  In
>fact
>even foot traffic was discouraged!
>>
>>Lloyd
>>
>>--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Thompson, Steve
> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Thompson, Steve 
>>> Subject: Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob
>Advantage)
>>> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
>>> Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 4:00 PM
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Lloyd Fuller
>>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 2:57 PM
>>> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
>>> Subject: Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server
>>> Mob
>>> Advantage)
>>>
>>> What do you mean Sun was the first?
>>>
>>> The US Army used 360/30 and 360/40s in 18-wheel trailers
>>> back in the
>>> early 1960s - 40 years before Sun "thought" of the
>>> idea.  The Army even
>>> had those in Vietnam for the division data centers.
>>>
>>> Lloyd
>>> 
>>>
>>> Yeah, and they had 600' of channel cables attached to a
>>> jeep to use as a
>>> mouse.
>>>
>>> Sorry, I just couldn't get this cartoon out of my mind of
>>> the original
>>> mouse...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Steve Thompson

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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-21 Thread Lester, Bob 
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
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Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:21 AM
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Advantage)


Indeed I remember hearing about a 360/30 in one customer site where I
did 
some work sometime in the early '70s which was being retained purely to 
perform 1401 emulation! I don't expect it was the only one.

Chris Mason


Hi Chris,

   In 1979-1981, we had a 360/30 as a development box.  The production
box at that time was a 360/75J.

BobL

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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-21 Thread Ed Finnell 
 
In a message dated 12/21/2009 9:28:28 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
bill.bis...@tema.toyota.com writes:

The data center was actualy a set of vans connected by a wooden  walkway.


>>
We flunked a Reforger, cause an M60 ran  over the bus/tags connecting the 
vans. I don't know why it was there, but it  did. There was a spare, but it 
pulled the receptacle out the  side





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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-21 Thread Chase, John 
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Finnell
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 12/21/2009 9:28:28 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> bill.bis...@tema.toyota.com writes:
> 
> The data center was actualy a set of vans connected by a wooden
walkway.
> 
> 
> >>
> We flunked a Reforger, cause an M60 ran  over the bus/tags connecting
the
> vans. I don't know why it was there, but it  did. There was a spare,
but it
> pulled the receptacle out the  side

???

M60 is a "portable" machine gun

-jc-

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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-21 Thread Lloyd Fuller 
It was also a tank before the M1 Abrams.

Lloyd

--- On Mon, 12/21/09, Chase, John  wrote:

> From: Chase, John 
> Subject: Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 3:30 PM
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed
> Finnell
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > In a message dated 12/21/2009 9:28:28 A.M. Central
> Standard Time,
> > bill.bis...@tema.toyota.com
> writes:
> > 
> > The data center was actualy a set of vans connected by
> a wooden
> walkway.
> > 
> > 
> > >>
> > We flunked a Reforger, cause an M60 ran  over the
> bus/tags connecting
> the
> > vans. I don't know why it was there, but it  did.
> There was a spare,
> but it
> > pulled the receptacle out the  side
> 
> ???
> 
> M60 is a "portable" machine gun
> 
>     -jc-
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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-21 Thread Ed Finnell 
 
In a message dated 12/21/2009 2:35:46 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
leful...@sbcglobal.net writes:

also a tank before .
 
>>
That's the one! Weighs over 60 tons, doesn't stop for  much. Have a good 
one85% first round hits  too.


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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-22 Thread Rick Fochtman 
John, M60 is also a 60-ton tank, now considered obsolete.  Mounted a 
105mm Main Gun.


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In a message dated 12/21/2009 9:28:28 A.M. Central Standard Time,
bill.bis...@tema.toyota.com writes:

The data center was actualy a set of vans connected by a wooden
   


walkway.
 

   


We flunked a Reforger, cause an M60 ran  over the bus/tags connecting
   


the
 


vans. I don't know why it was there, but it  did. There was a spare,
   


but it
 


pulled the receptacle out the  side
   



???

M60 is a "portable" machine gun

   -jc-

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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) 
In <632703.89644...@web82206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, on 12/21/2009
   at 12:34 PM, Lloyd Fuller  said:

>It was also a tank before the M1 Abrams.

Yes, but there was an M1 rifle before there was an M1 tank ;-)

I suspect that M1 and M60 are not the only numbers that the US Army
recycled.
 
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Re: "Portable" data centers (was RE: Small Server Mob Advantage)

2009-12-30 Thread Rick Fochtman 

Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:


In <632703.89644...@web82206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, on 12/21/2009
  at 12:34 PM, Lloyd Fuller  said:

 


It was also a tank before the M1 Abrams.
   



Yes, but there was an M1 rifle before there was an M1 tank ;-)

I suspect that M1 and M60 are not the only numbers that the US Army
recycled.

 

M60 was also a "General Purpose Machine Gun" (GPMG). I can't tell you 
how many I had to repair because of "probably user error" (Closing the 
cover with the bolt forward!)


D*** rookies never learned! :-)

Rick
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