Re: ***: Offensive Language
OK, I've been adequately chastised on this subject so now it is time to put my original comments more into context. First a couple caveats: 1. The filter my net-nannies have on aren't blasting Darren, it is set to just drop the offending e-mail (whether or not it is actually offensive), and 2. I was not offended by the original post from Phil, nor by the plethora of follow-on off-track posts. rant I agree with all the people out there who disagreed with me regarding where the blocking needs to be done - to an extent. By all means, if my e-mail server is being used by a spammer to blast stuff out to the rest of the list, by all means, cut me off. However, that being said, there are over 30 responses back to Darren's original post telling us to knock it off due to the problems they are causing him. How many of these follow-on posts have generated additional filter messages back to him? We all know the filters are out there, and that many of them are bombarding Darren with garbage. We need to be policing ourselves better so as to attempt to minimize the impact on him and the others on the list. That was the context of my original post - if people in the inside can't watch their language so as to not trip the nannies, maybe Darren needs to give them a (not-go-gentle) reminder. Yes, I know that the stupidest of the filters (like the one mentioned below) won't be happy but a little common sense on the part of the listers will go a long way. /rant I'll drop it now. No flames, please ;-) Rex Pommier, Rex R. wrote on 4/24/2006 3:25 PM: Sorry, Gil, but I have to disagree with you here. I have no say over the spam/porn/naughty word filter in use here, You can complain to the people managing your email system. If that doesn't work, don't subscribe to mailing lists from your work address. Simple. I decided 9 years ago that using an employer's address for anything other than direct company-related business was just a pain. That's because I had to notify 200 people and resubscribe to a dozen mailing lists on my previous job switch. The second time, I decided that had to be the last time. I was still getting email to my USC address 3 years after leaving USC. About the same for my next email address. Never again. Content filters are evil. They probably started as spam filters for incompetent admins. I don't want my email screened by someone else's idea of what's offensive. BTW, another part of this thread was in reference to stupid filters which find offense embedded in larger words. As the listowner for ISPF-L, my source of irritation is filters which reject sample REXX or ISPF panel code looking like this: *** = value where * is the 24th letter of the English alphabet. That's standard sample code. The best ones of course are the moron filters which rejected Lionel's XMITIP announcements because they didn't like his last name. For that one, I posted an [ADMIN] message suggesting that people get their email admins to bypass the filters for mailing lists such as ISPF-L so that they don't miss postings. /Leonard -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/27/2006 at 11:03 AM, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: And then there's H%ll, Kansas. There's one of those in Michigan. And I'm pretty sure that the West is full of towns with politically incorrect names. There are also towns with names that, while not actually off color, might seem so to the ignorant, e.g., Intercourse, Pennsylvania. Bottom line: such filters are invariably b0rk3n from day 1. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language
It is located in Michigan's Upper peninsula. I fondly remember a TV weather reporter in Detroit (before they were meteorologists), referring sometime each winter to 'H%ll having frozen over' and during each summer (when weather conditions were suitable) referring to 'Paradise being hotter than H%ll'. David Mueller -Original Message- And then there's H%ll, Kansas. There's one of those in Michigan. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language
Actually, Paradise is the town located in the U.P. H%ll is located close to Ann Arbor - which, as a Michigan State grad, I find appropriate :-)! I have bicycled thru both - and I much preferred the weather in H%ll. jj -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mueller, David Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Offensive Language It is located in Michigan's Upper peninsula. I fondly remember a TV weather reporter in Detroit (before they were meteorologists), referring sometime each winter to 'H%ll having frozen over' and during each summer (when weather conditions were suitable) referring to 'Paradise being hotter than H%ll'. David Mueller -Original Message- And then there's H%ll, Kansas. There's one of those in Michigan. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language etc.
Phil, Great post, and since it's Friday, its only slightly off topic. You really cracked me up. Well - Me and PH are now history. I'm home and bothering my wife now. She is so worried that she'll have to rearrange everything to fit my schedule. Monday morning, I can start searching job boards. I'll keep in touch with IBM-Main. Well, gotta go call a couple headhunters. Eric Bielefeld 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Phil Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 8:09 AM Subject: Offensive Language Pronounced ficking. Which is the German equivalent of our word, and so Darren's inbox will be swamped by netnanny nastygrams in German. Germans pronounce V as F - so Vick Pharmaceuticals is known as Wick Pharma in Germany. I've finally managed to remember the z8 thread and the comment of mine that probably triggered all this. I stand by it - the individual concerned has done the platform almost as much damage as Software Division. I shall in future Bowdlerize - suggestions are welcome but posterior sphincter is current favourite. As for netnannies, I think the Devil's Dictionary definition more apposite than ever. Back to z8s - or z9s as it turns out (remember the Castor-less mainframe comment? The codename was Pollux) I wonder how long it will be before a chargeable version of my MIPS table is available from another analyst. It won't be worth any more, of course. Even mine is worth less than you're paying for it. Pollux was an odd choice - alternate days in heaven and hell. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.co.uk +44 7833 654 800 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language etc.
Good luck Bob Lawrence DBA Boscov's Dept Stores LLc -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eric N. Bielefeld Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 3:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Offensive Language etc. Phil, Great post, and since it's Friday, its only slightly off topic. You really cracked me up. Well - Me and PH are now history. I'm home and bothering my wife now. She is so worried that she'll have to rearrange everything to fit my schedule. Monday morning, I can start searching job boards. I'll keep in touch with IBM-Main. Well, gotta go call a couple headhunters. Eric Bielefeld 414-475-7434 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language etc.
Which is the German equivalent of our word, and so Darren's inbox will be swamped by netnanny nastygrams in German. My understanding from a german friend, is that they don't use it as a curse word. It comes closer to meaning copulating, rather than an obscenity. - -teD O-KAY! BLUE! JAYS! Let's PLAY! BALL! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: offensive language
On Wed, 2006-04-26 at 18:03 +0200, Phil Payne wrote: ... Bell Helicopters sent me an automated nastygram Yep, they got to be such a pest I had a filter rule in for them. This is a new system, so I don't have such a rule now - haven't heard from them recently. Maybe they've made it onto all the kill lists world-wide ... ;-) Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: offensive language
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shane On Wed, 2006-04-26 at 18:03 +0200, Phil Payne wrote: ... Bell Helicopters sent me an automated nastygram Yep, they got to be such a pest I had a filter rule in for them. This is a new system, so I don't have such a rule now - haven't heard from them recently. Maybe they've made it onto all the kill lists world-wide ... ;-) Or maybe they've grown up -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language
Ted, Point 1. Ah Sc*nthorpe, a steel - maybe that's ex-steel now - town set in a landscape of - well, nothing really, absolutely flat as far as the eye can see. Let's be generous, there are big skies. If you go to a railway ticket office and say I want to go to Sc*nthorpe., you might receive the reply You doesn't *want* to go to Sc*nthorpe, you *have* to go to Sc*nthorpe!. Of course, with apologies to people who quite like the place. :-) But I hope they are not keen football supporters. (That's *association* football, soccer, of course.) I just checked and their team and they are languishing about halfway down League One. That's not so bad I hear you say until I point out the dreadful political correctness of English football and mention that, according to the old non-PC classification[1], this would be the Third Division - not too far back in time ,of course, to when I would have to add North or South to Third Division[2]. I can't remember to which of the two Sc*nthorpe used to belong and I doubt they were ever in the First or Second Division. [1] In the current PC classification, the first division is the Premiership and the second division is the Championship. [2] Was this some more laudable political correctness with the more lowly teams saving away-game fuel so that the planet could survive a bit longer? Well, no, in those days they couldn't afford to travel over the whole country. Point 2. Many years ago while contributing to a list/group such as this, I mentioned that I hoped I was not trying to make a technical point well understood by the person addressed - but that's not my style so I used the venerated phrase involving teaching, grandmothers and eggs. The key word missing was the one the censors jumped on - by human inspection not an automaton, since it was kindly translated to something like to make a technical point ..., in other words the phrase was understood but the censor just didn't want the text of the list/group for which he/she was responsible to be contaminated with the word in question. In case some of you don't know what word this might be, to put it is its objectionable context, I can mention the beginning of the film Getting Straight. As the opening titles roll, the camera is in amongst a student demonstration (the film was made in 1970). One student walks in front of the camera with a placard which says Gravity is a lie, the student then walks back and you see the other side of the placard which says The Earth * Chris Mason - Original Message - From: Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, 24 April, 2006 2:00 AM Subject: Re: Offensive Language How is one to judge - see a recent advertising campaign by an agency of the federal government of this country. Would such usage qualify ???. *extremely* common usage here. I got slammed once for using a real vile word when I hadn't. I was discussing British soccer and I mentioned a team. The filter caught the 'buried' word, and reported it to my manager. It took me a month to clear my name. The team name was (* used to bypass filters): Sc*nthorpe. - -teD O-KAY! BLUE! JAYS! Let's PLAY! BALL! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language
What would the naughty language filters do with the name of a certain small town in Austria named F**king? It really exists: _http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/austria.asp_ (http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/austria.asp) Their town signs are constantly being stolen by tourists, especially English-speaking ones. Bill Fairchild -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of (IBM Mainframe What would the naughty language filters do with the name of a certain small town in Austria named F**king? It really exists: _http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/austria.asp_ (http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/austria.asp) Sheesh! Our net nanny says Blocked Content: Extreme, Politics/Opinion, Tasteless/Gross about that. Any, in addition to that the state of Oklahoma has a river, a county, a town and a mountain range all named Wash%ta. And while driving through Alberta last summer I saw a road sign pointing to the town of S%xsmith (between Edmonton and Dawson Creek). And then there's H%ll, Kansas. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language
they should sell replicas etc. like intercourse PA does Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc: Sent by: IBM Subject: Re: Offensive Language Mainframe Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU 04/27/2006 12:03 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of (IBM Mainframe What would the naughty language filters do with the name of a certain small town in Austria named F**king? It really exists: _http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/austria.asp_ (http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/austria.asp) Sheesh! Our net nanny says Blocked Content: Extreme, Politics/Opinion, Tasteless/Gross about that. Any, in addition to that the state of Oklahoma has a river, a county, a town and a mountain range all named Wash%ta. And while driving through Alberta last summer I saw a road sign pointing to the town of S%xsmith (between Edmonton and Dawson Creek). And then there's H%ll, Kansas. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language
they should sell replicas etc. like intercourse PA does We were there earlier this month. My wife bought the T-shirt. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language
On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:01:57 -0400, Robert Sample [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: they should sell replicas etc. like ??course PA does We were there earlier this month. My wife bought the T-shirt. Darren must be on his way to Talledega. This one had to have tripped a bounce back. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language
I really enjoyed this interchange. It is funny is that Wash*ta is the phonetic spelling of the Indian name Ouchita (Google it) found on places in AR and LA. At one time it was the name of a maker of canoes -- plastic as opposed to aluminum from Grumman and Alumicraft. Memories of the Guadalupe River in TX. OK is what used to be called Indian Territory. IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 04/27/2006 01:30:03 PM: they should sell replicas etc. like **tercourse PA does -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of (IBM Mainframe What would the naughty language filters do with the name of a certain small town in Austria named F**king? It really exists: (http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/austria.asp) Sheesh! Our net nanny says Blocked Content: Extreme, Politics/Opinion, Tasteless/Gross about that. Any, in addition to that the state of Oklahoma has a river, a county, a town and a mountain range all named Wash%ta. And while driving through Alberta last summer I saw a road sign pointing to the town of S%xsmith (between Edmonton and Dawson Creek). And then there's H%ll, Kansas. -jc- - The information contained in this communication (including any attachments hereto) is confidential and is intended solely for the personal and confidential use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. The information may also constitute a legally privileged confidential communication. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or unauthorized use of this information, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. Thank you -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language
In a message dated 4/27/2006 1:25:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Darren must be on his way to Talledega. This one had to have tripped a bounce back. ?? Four letter word for intercourse ending in K? T-A-L-K! We've got one too, with neighboring town of WHYNOT! Kind of interesting searching Mapquest, Jobs in ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language
Hasn't this REALLY off-topic topic gotten out-of-hand enough already? Don Imbriale *** Bear Stearns is not responsible for any recommendation, solicitation, offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or account activity contained in this communication. *** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Kirk Talman I really enjoyed this interchange. It is funny is that Wash*ta is the phonetic spelling of the Indian name Ouchita (Google it) found on places in AR and LA. Ouachita. Somewhat akin to the French spelling of Ouisconsin. ^ Another somewhat humorous sequence of road signs in Oklahoma occurs east of OKC eastbound on I-40, where one first passes a sign for the town of Nowata, then a few miles farther east is Lake Eufaula, and on the east side of that lake there is a sign for the town of Lotawatah. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language
small town in Austria named F**king Pronounced ficking! - -teD O-KAY! BLUE! JAYS! Let's PLAY! BALL! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language
Must be the umlaut. Ted MacNEIL wrote: small town in Austria named F**king Pronounced ficking! - -teD -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ***: Offensive Language
Pommier, Rex R. wrote on 4/24/2006 3:25 PM: Sorry, Gil, but I have to disagree with you here. I have no say over the spam/porn/naughty word filter in use here, You can complain to the people managing your email system. If that doesn't work, don't subscribe to mailing lists from your work address. Simple. I decided 9 years ago that using an employer's address for anything other than direct company-related business was just a pain. That's because I had to notify 200 people and resubscribe to a dozen mailing lists on my previous job switch. The second time, I decided that had to be the last time. I was still getting email to my USC address 3 years after leaving USC. About the same for my next email address. Never again. Content filters are evil. They probably started as spam filters for incompetent admins. I don't want my email screened by someone else's idea of what's offensive. BTW, another part of this thread was in reference to stupid filters which find offense embedded in larger words. As the listowner for ISPF-L, my source of irritation is filters which reject sample REXX or ISPF panel code looking like this: *** = value where * is the 24th letter of the English alphabet. That's standard sample code. The best ones of course are the moron filters which rejected Lionel's XMITIP announcements because they didn't like his last name. For that one, I posted an [ADMIN] message suggesting that people get their email admins to bypass the filters for mailing lists such as ISPF-L so that they don't miss postings. /Leonard -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Darren Evans-Young On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Bruce Black wrote: But Darrens issue is not the language, it is all the filters in place at many subscribers locations which generate email back to Darren for each offensive word. I had one (thankfully only one) content filter reject a message recently due to content. I kept reading the post over and over trying to figure out what it was complaining about. I finally found it. Someone used the phrase, referring to mainframes, big *ron. That was just plain silly. Maybe somebody could partake of that relatively new American pastime, litigation, and start suing the purveyors of such mindless nanny software back to reality. There will soon be a batch of freshly-minted lawyers out there -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: offensive language
In the case you mention the word was not offensive, even to a Nice Nelly, but I could see where it could certainly trigger a spam filter. Jon snip It is hard to avoid giving offense to these filters, and I don't thinlk we should try to do so. I recently found that I was not receiving emails from my travel agent; and after pushing text through the filter in question token by token I discovered that it was coughing at the token 'specialist'. Why? If contains the offensive substring 'cialis'. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ***: Offensive Language
In a recent note, Darren Evans-Young said: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:18:20 -0500 Personally, I don't care, but I am getting flooded with rejections from all the content analyzers (Mail Marshall, etc.). If it happens again, I will put the offender on NOPOST and forward all these wonderful rejection notices to the offender. I'd go the other way, and put the rejectors on NOMAIL. It's backscatter (Google for); and sites that backscatter spam, viruses, or other unwanted material should rightly be ostracised. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ***: Offensive Language
Sorry, Gil, but I have to disagree with you here. I have no say over the spam/porn/naughty word filter in use here, nor do I know whether or not the filter sent a nasty-gram back to Darren or if the filter simply dropped the offending messages. I didn't even know there was a problem until Darren's note telling us there was. Why should I then be ostracized over something I have no control over - or even know about? It makes the most sense to send it back to the person who actually sent in the offending message. Besides, if Darren did what you suggested, IBM-MAIN would be flooded with messages asking are there problems with IBM-MAIN because I'm not getting any messages. I don't think anybody really wants that. Rex In a recent note, Gil said: In a recent note, Darren Evans-Young said: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:18:20 -0500 Personally, I don't care, but I am getting flooded with rejections from all the content analyzers (Mail Marshall, etc.). If it happens again, I will put the offender on NOPOST and forward all these wonderful rejection notices to the offender. I'd go the other way, and put the rejectors on NOMAIL. It's backscatter (Google for); and sites that backscatter spam, viruses, or other unwanted material should rightly be ostracised. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language
On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 12:18 -0500, Darren Evans-Young wrote: Please refrain from using words in your posts that may be deemed offensive or inappropriate. ...like the one just recently posted. How is one to judge - see a recent advertising campaign by an agency of the federal government of this country. Would such usage qualify ???. *extremely* common usage here. I will now have to kill the z8 thread because everyone is replying to the post that had the offending word and I keep getting even MORE rejection notices! Ah! Unfortunate side effect - I'm with gil on this. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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How is one to judge - see a recent advertising campaign by an agency of the federal government of this country. Would such usage qualify ???. *extremely* common usage here. I got slammed once for using a real vile word when I hadn't. I was discussing British soccer and I mentioned a team. The filter caught the 'buried' word, and reported it to my manager. It took me a month to clear my name. The team name was (* used to bypass filters): Sc*nthorpe. - -teD O-KAY! BLUE! JAYS! Let's PLAY! BALL! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language
In a recent note, Shane said: Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:38:25 +1000 On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 12:18 -0500, Darren Evans-Young wrote: Please refrain from using words in your posts that may be deemed offensive or inappropriate. ...like the one just recently posted. How is one to judge - see a recent advertising campaign by an agency of the federal government of this country. Would such usage qualify ???. *extremely* common usage here. Can you give a poor isolated provincial Yank a hint? Perhaps a URL that would help me root out what you're talking about? Unfortunate side effect - I'm with gil on this. Much though I flinch at some of Phil's content (but where's Dubbo when he's really needed?), I am more upset that the ignorant masses, promoters of V-chips, Palladium Chips, censorers of Super Bowl entertainment, etc., should interfere with his opportunity to have a platform. And his style, while perhaps unnecessary, is a thin veneer over valuable content. I can take Phil c*m grano salis. (But I was tempted. Only it's too much a pain in the *rse to resubscribe with a different address. And it would bug D. unnecessarily.) -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language
On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 17:17 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Can you give a poor isolated provincial Yank a hint? Perhaps a URL that would help me root out what you're talking about? Start at www.wherethebl**dyhellareyou.com (mangled to protect the inane) Needs a heap of plugins I refuse to install, so I can't check it out for you, but I think it'll give you the idea. The ads got banned in the UK, and some states of the good old USofA as well I think. Says more about them than us Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language
Shane wrote: On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 17:17 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Can you give a poor isolated provincial Yank a hint? Perhaps a URL that would help me root out what you're talking about? Start at www.wherethebl**dyhellareyou.com (mangled to protect the inane) Needs a heap of plugins I refuse to install, so I can't check it out for you, but I think it'll give you the idea. Wimp. Nothing to install, I had it all already. The ads got banned in the UK, and some states of the good old USofA as well I think. I remember when the controversy arose. First time I saw the ads, though. I liked them. [figures, eh?] Kind regards, -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language
I agree that I have heard language I would consider offensive just a few years in recent ads and TV shows, still startles me. But Darrens issue is not the language, it is all the filters in place at many subscribers locations which generate email back to Darren for each offensive word. Tell you what, if you are volunteering to deal with each of those companies to update their filter lists, we'll have Darren forward all that email to you. Deal or no Deal? -- Bruce Black Senior Software Developer Innovation Data Processing -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Bruce Black wrote: But Darrens issue is not the language, it is all the filters in place at many subscribers locations which generate email back to Darren for each offensive word. I had one (thankfully only one) content filter reject a message recently due to content. I kept reading the post over and over trying to figure out what it was complaining about. I finally found it. Someone used the phrase, referring to mainframes, big *ron. That was just plain silly. Darren -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: offensive language
It is hard to avoid giving offense to these filters, and I don't thinlk we should try to do so. I recently found that I was not receiving emails from my travel agent; and after pushing text through the filter in question token by token I discovered that it was coughing at the token 'specialist'. Why? If contains the offensive substring 'cialis'. Minimally, Darren will have to make an unautomated decision that an instance of 'offensive language' is of the sort that would be judged inappropriate by a standard Nice Nelly. John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ***: Offensive Language
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/24/2006 at 05:25 PM, Pommier, Rex R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Sorry, Gil, but I have to disagree with you here. I have no say over the spam/porn/naughty word filter in use here, nor do I know whether or not the filter sent a nasty-gram back to Darren or if the filter simply dropped the offending messages. Both actions are wrong, but at least the second hurts only you. The correct way to handle a message that they don't like is to give a 5xx reply code during the SMTP transaction. Why should I then be ostracized over something I have no control over Google for quarantine. Why should Darren or the list readership be flooded by backscatter that they have no control over? It makes the most sense to send it back to the person who actually sent in the offending message. They can't do that. Since spammers routinely forge addresses in envelopes and headers, what backscatter mostly does is to send complaints to persons who did *not* send the offending messages. Backscatter is, in fact, a form of unsolicited bulk e-mail (UBE), AKA spam. Besides, if Darren did what you suggested, IBM-MAIN would be flooded with messages asking are there problems with IBM-MAIN because I'm not getting any messages. Are you arguing that Darren should block the offending mail server entirely? I can live with that, although a heads-up to the postmaster would be nice. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language
In a message dated 4/24/2006 5:50:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The team name was (* used to bypass filters): How'd they ever get by Arsenal? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
