Re: Another article on the Flex/IBM issue
Wayne Driscoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While this service is a great start, in the description it clearly states that this is to be used to TEST developed solutions, not as a product development environment. Kind of a catch-22 at this point, w/o other access to an IBM system, you won't have a product to test. Huh? In the description it clearly says: The Remote Development Program expands the breadth and quality of z/Architecture and S/390 solutions and provides ISVs with a readily available and inexpensive environment in which to develop or test their applications. develop or test seems pretty unequivocal to me? And it's called Remote Development Program, too... ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another article on the Flex/IBM issue
Phil, Thnaks for pointing that out, I scanned that page, and missed the description, however I was looking at the program description in the application for the specific programs, and it states: Program Intent The Remote Development Program is intended soley for testing solution provider developed software in an z/OS V1 R8 environment. Remote Development Programs (RDPs) allow selected solution developers the opportunity to test their software in a new environment thus supplementing porting, migration or regression test efforts. The use of the word soley in this seems pretty unequivocal to me. All I can say is that the two descrptions seem to contradict each other, so the truth is probably in the middle. Wayne Driscoll Product Developer JME Software LLC NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Smith III Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:49 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Another article on the Flex/IBM issue Wayne Driscoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While this service is a great start, in the description it clearly states that this is to be used to TEST developed solutions, not as a product development environment. Kind of a catch-22 at this point, w/o other access to an IBM system, you won't have a product to test. Huh? In the description it clearly says: The Remote Development Program expands the breadth and quality of z/Architecture and S/390 solutions and provides ISVs with a readily available and inexpensive environment in which to develop or test their applications. develop or test seems pretty unequivocal to me? And it's called Remote Development Program, too... ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another article on the Flex/IBM issue
Edward Jaffe wrote: Wayne Driscoll wrote: Ed, While this service is a great start, in the description it clearly states that this is to be used to TEST developed solutions, not as a product development environment. Kind of a catch-22 at this point, w/o other access to an IBM system, you won't have a product to test. I've seen developers use this facility to develop their products IIRC, SAS used it a few years back to develop the 64-bit support for their C/C++ compilers. Presumably, they negotiated more favorable pricing terms than those offered to more casual users. Also, to clarify, this service isn't new. I've been using it since some release of MVS/ESA V4 (1992?). It's essentially time sharing for the upcoming release of the operating system (running under VM). IBM configures the base system and keeps it current with the latest driver(s) and/or maintenance. And, the people in Dallas, TX that do the work are top notch! You IPL and customize your VM guest system and, of course, pay for the cycles. The other offering is running a system in house from local tape. They send you new tapes every month or so; you reload the operating system. I had always assumed that nearly all serious ISVs used one or the other or both of these early development/testing options. I may have been wrong. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another article on the Flex/IBM issue
I'll be the first to admit that I could be wrong on it. It is odd that the overall description, it says Development, but on the application for a contract, it states soley for testing. I would be happy as heck to be wrong on it, and the rates do seem relativly reasonable, still more than a FLEX box, but a lot less than a z900 bc. Wayne Driscoll Product Developer JME Software LLC NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 8:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Another article on the Flex/IBM issue Edward Jaffe wrote: Wayne Driscoll wrote: Ed, While this service is a great start, in the description it clearly states that this is to be used to TEST developed solutions, not as a product development environment. Kind of a catch-22 at this point, w/o other access to an IBM system, you won't have a product to test. I've seen developers use this facility to develop their products IIRC, SAS used it a few years back to develop the 64-bit support for their C/C++ compilers. Presumably, they negotiated more favorable pricing terms than those offered to more casual users. Also, to clarify, this service isn't new. I've been using it since some release of MVS/ESA V4 (1992?). It's essentially time sharing for the upcoming release of the operating system (running under VM). IBM configures the base system and keeps it current with the latest driver(s) and/or maintenance. And, the people in Dallas, TX that do the work are top notch! You IPL and customize your VM guest system and, of course, pay for the cycles. The other offering is running a system in house from local tape. They send you new tapes every month or so; you reload the operating system. I had always assumed that nearly all serious ISVs used one or the other or both of these early development/testing options. I may have been wrong. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another article on the Flex/IBM issue
Lionel B Dyck wrote: Perhaps this is the time for IBM to offer a time-sharing option on a z9 somewhere in IBM for the PWD and others. http://www-304.ibm.com/jct09002c/isv/spc/rdp.html -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another article on the Flex/IBM issue
Ed, While this service is a great start, in the description it clearly states that this is to be used to TEST developed solutions, not as a product development environment. Kind of a catch-22 at this point, w/o other access to an IBM system, you won't have a product to test. Wayne Driscoll Product Developer JME Software LLC NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 2:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Another article on the Flex/IBM issue Lionel B Dyck wrote: Perhaps this is the time for IBM to offer a time-sharing option on a z9 somewhere in IBM for the PWD and others. http://www-304.ibm.com/jct09002c/isv/spc/rdp.html -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another article on the Flex/IBM issue
Wayne Driscoll wrote: Ed, While this service is a great start, in the description it clearly states that this is to be used to TEST developed solutions, not as a product development environment. Kind of a catch-22 at this point, w/o other access to an IBM system, you won't have a product to test. I've seen developers use this facility to develop their products IIRC, SAS used it a few years back to develop the 64-bit support for their C/C++ compilers. Presumably, they negotiated more favorable pricing terms than those offered to more casual users. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another article on the Flex/IBM issue
Great article! Thanks. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Green Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 7:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Another article on the Flex/IBM issue http://www.itjungle.com/big/big032007-story01.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another article on the Flex/IBM issue
Hi, Thanks for posting the link to the article Gary, it was good reading. I am concerned that for small businesses the numbers do not add up with either a low end z9 or the Service Option. The article states correctly that the IBM Software is provided largely free to PWD member. (Even the annual premium does not break the bank at $1800.) To purchase a t-Server and FLEX-ES combination and consider renewal every three years puts the cost at around £3000 per annum, whereas the Service Offering at $2000 per month is considerable more and makes the difference between a viable option and not. Purchasing a z9 plus associated DASD is a non-starter at our level of turn-over. Personally given the hiatus with PSI, I see Fundamentals Systems as being collateral damage due to emulation seemingly being at the heart of things, but that is only my opinion which could be way of the mark of course. Regard - Terry Terry Sambrooks Director KMS-IT Limited 228 Abbeydale Road South Dore Sheffield S17 3LA UK Tel: +44 (0)114 262 0933 WEB: www.legac-e.co.uk www.kmsitltd.co.uk Reg: England Wales 3767263 at the above address All outgoing E-mails are scanned but it remains the recipients responsibility to ensure that their system is protected from viruses, trojans, worms, and spy-ware. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another article on the Flex/IBM issue
Perhaps this is the time for IBM to offer a time-sharing option on a z9 somewhere in IBM for the PWD and others. Lionel B. Dyck, Consultant/Specialist zLinux Platform Client and Platform Engineering Services (CAPES) KP-IT Enterprise Engineering, Manager Toni Nicotera 925-926-5332 (8-473-5332) | E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: lbdyck | Yahoo IM: lbdyck Kaiser Service Credo: Our cause is health. Our passion is service. We?re here to make lives better.? ?Never attribute to malice what can be caused by miscommunication.? NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another article on the Flex/IBM issue
Lionel B Dyck wrote: Perhaps this is the time for IBM to offer a time-sharing option on a z9 somewhere in IBM for the PWD and others. Lionel B. Dyck, Consultant/Specialist zLinux Platform Maybe in a virtual machine: I sometimes need to change system parameters and I'm sure other users would not appreciate that! Kind regards, -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
