Re: Cap software CPU utilization
You can also use resource groups in WLM to restrict a certain workload Define Capacity: __ 1. In Service Units (Sysplex Scope) 2. As Percentage of the LPAR share (System Scope) 3. As a Number of CPs times 100 (System Scope) 2009/8/15 Tommy Tsui tommyt...@gmail.com Hi, Is there any tools can caps software (such as CA product) CPU utilization. So that we can control the software cost . many thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Met vriendelijke groeten/With kind regards Dick de Groot -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Cap software CPU utilization
Not quite. Both 'hard' and 'soft' caps are set via the HMC. But the OP was wanting to manage specific software products, and that toolset does include all of hard capping, soft capping, and WLM strategies. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Cap software CPU utilization You can soft cap the lpar through the HMC; or you can set up a wlm resource group to cap specific workloads. The HMC is a hard cap. The WLM can soft cap. Plus, there are resource groups. This capability has been around for years. There is also the IBM utility for reporting on this. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Cap software CPU utilization
While hard and soft capping effects the whole lpar WLM resource groups can be used to only effect a specific workload; which depending on the product can satisfy their requirements. Joel Wolpert Performance and Capacity Planning consultant WEBSITE: www.perfconsultant.com - Original Message - From: Hal Merritt hmerr...@jackhenry.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 4:08 PM Subject: Re: Cap software CPU utilization Not quite. Both 'hard' and 'soft' caps are set via the HMC. But the OP was wanting to manage specific software products, and that toolset does include all of hard capping, soft capping, and WLM strategies. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Cap software CPU utilization You can soft cap the lpar through the HMC; or you can set up a wlm resource group to cap specific workloads. The HMC is a hard cap. The WLM can soft cap. Plus, there are resource groups. This capability has been around for years. There is also the IBM utility for reporting on this. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Cap software CPU utilization
The OP specifically mentioned a CA product and software charges. If this indicates he is being sub-capacity billed by CA, it doesn't really matter if he runs his CA product at all or caps the CA workload. CA receives the SCRT output and charges based on the MSU reported for z/OS. So, if I understand the OP's question, capping the LPAR usage is his only means of capping CA usage/software charge. Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Co. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Joel Wolpert Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 3:19 PM While hard and soft capping effects the whole lpar WLM resource groups can be used to only effect a specific workload; which depending on the product can satisfy their requirements. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Cap software CPU utilization
Tommy, I've followed this post and I see where everyone has adviced you to soft-cap your system. They are correct, but I think your asking how you can control the costs on your OEM products, specifically CA products. You need to talk to your vendor rep. Several vendors, including CA, will work with you to arrange software pricing based on the softcap settings. Tom Kelman Enterprise Capacity Planner Commerce Bank of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tommy Tsui Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 11:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Cap software CPU utilization is it really can cap the usage for CA product... since our software charge always over paid each time when we adjust our HMC CPU hard cap ratio... On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Joel Wolpertj...@perfconsultant.com wrote: You set the service units for the soft cap thru the hmc. That is what I meant. - Original Message - From: Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:07 PM Subject: Re: Cap software CPU utilization You can soft cap the lpar through the HMC; or you can set up a wlm resource group to cap specific workloads. The HMC is a hard cap. The WLM can soft cap. Plus, there are resource groups. This capability has been around for years. There is also the IBM utility for reporting on this. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html * If you wish to communicate securely with Commerce Bank and its affiliates, you must log into your account under Online Services at http://www.commercebank.com or use the Commerce Bank Secure Email Message Center at https://securemail.commercebank.com NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any attached files are confidential. The information is exclusively for the use of the individual or entity intended as the recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, printing, reviewing, retention, disclosure, distribution or forwarding of the message or any attached file is not authorized and is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please advise the sender by reply electronic mail immediately and permanently delete the original transmission, any attachments and any copies of this message from your computer system. * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Cap software CPU utilization
You can soft cap the lpar through the HMC; or you can set up a wlm resource group to cap specific workloads. - Original Message - From: Tommy Tsui tommyt...@gmail.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 7:46 PM Subject: Cap software CPU utilization Hi, Is there any tools can caps software (such as CA product) CPU utilization. So that we can control the software cost . many thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Cap software CPU utilization
You can soft cap the lpar through the HMC; or you can set up a wlm resource group to cap specific workloads. The HMC is a hard cap. The WLM can soft cap. Plus, there are resource groups. This capability has been around for years. There is also the IBM utility for reporting on this. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Cap software CPU utilization
On Sat, 15 Aug 2009, Tommy Tsui wrote: Hi, Is there any tools can caps software (such as CA product) CPU utilization. So that we can control the software cost . many thanks IF you are on a z9 or z10 AND you are running z/OS 1.8 or above THEN you can use a facility called GROUP CAPACITY. This is where you set the MSU value for a group of LPARs to a given value using the HMC. WLM on the z/OS systems in the LPARs in that group talks to PR/SM, which will then dynamically adjust the LPAR dispatching so that the MSU value is not exceeded for the 4 hour rolling average. -- Trying to write with a pencil that is dull is pointless. Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Cap software CPU utilization
You set the service units for the soft cap thru the hmc. That is what I meant. - Original Message - From: Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:07 PM Subject: Re: Cap software CPU utilization You can soft cap the lpar through the HMC; or you can set up a wlm resource group to cap specific workloads. The HMC is a hard cap. The WLM can soft cap. Plus, there are resource groups. This capability has been around for years. There is also the IBM utility for reporting on this. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Cap software CPU utilization
is it really can cap the usage for CA product... since our software charge always over paid each time when we adjust our HMC CPU hard cap ratio... On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Joel Wolpertj...@perfconsultant.com wrote: You set the service units for the soft cap thru the hmc. That is what I meant. - Original Message - From: Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:07 PM Subject: Re: Cap software CPU utilization You can soft cap the lpar through the HMC; or you can set up a wlm resource group to cap specific workloads. The HMC is a hard cap. The WLM can soft cap. Plus, there are resource groups. This capability has been around for years. There is also the IBM utility for reporting on this. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Cap software CPU utilization
What specific products are you trying to cap? - Original Message - From: Tommy Tsui tommyt...@gmail.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 12:07 AM Subject: Re: Cap software CPU utilization is it really can cap the usage for CA product... since our software charge always over paid each time when we adjust our HMC CPU hard cap ratio... On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Joel Wolpertj...@perfconsultant.com wrote: You set the service units for the soft cap thru the hmc. That is what I meant. - Original Message - From: Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:07 PM Subject: Re: Cap software CPU utilization You can soft cap the lpar through the HMC; or you can set up a wlm resource group to cap specific workloads. The HMC is a hard cap. The WLM can soft cap. Plus, there are resource groups. This capability has been around for years. There is also the IBM utility for reporting on this. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Cap software CPU utilization
All of the previous advice has been correct, but maybe there are other options. Have you investigated the AutoSoftCapping product from zCOST Management? This solution does introduce a soft capping technique, so you know that you will never exceed the high-watermark setting, namely MSU. Thus this is way to safeguard that your software bill is never higher than expected. It also dynamically allocates MSU resources to the workload requiring them the most (E.g. Production), based on user customizable parameters, safeguarding mission-critical performance characteristics and SLA objectives. Try the following links: http://www.zcostmanagement.com/pages/products.php http://www.value-4it.com/products/zCOST.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
