Re: Free software to stack tape datasets?

2009-06-20 Thread Russell Witt
Dave,

Check to see if you have an existing license for a tape stacking utility. To
be honest, some clients have a license for CA-1/Copycat and don't even
realize it since it was signed for many years ago.

Russell Witt
CA 1 L2 Support Manager

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We are looking to copy data off of 9840A tapes to 9840D tapes. There are a
limited number of free slots in our SL8500, so just letting them wither and
die is not an option. Neither is boxing them and mounting on demand. Since
there are a limited number of datasets to be stacked we need a cost
effective solution.

Does anyone know of a cheap or better yet free stacking mechanism besides
Iebgener?

Thanks,
Dave O'Brien
NIH Contractor

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Re: Antwort: Re: Free software to stack tape datasets?

2009-06-18 Thread gsg
Try ZELA from SeaSoft or CopyCat from CA.

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Antwort: Re: Free software to stack tape datasets?

2009-06-17 Thread Werner Kuehnel
Yes, that's what he mean. We do this since some years, even IBM has this 
concept which is called TMM.
We created a large DASD pool, changed the ACS routines to point the 
UNIT=CART to this pool (no JCL change necessary) and let HSM migrate to 
cartridge. However there are still some very big files going out directly 
to cartridge, because migrating/recalling them would take too much time. 
Using this TMM concept saved us to get extra software for tape stacking, 
however HSM CPU usage is going up.
Werner Kuehnel

IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU schrieb am 16.06.2009 
18:00:58:

  We are looking to copy data off of 9840A tapes to 9840D tapes. There 
 are a limited number of free slots in our SL8500, so just letting them 
 wither and die is not an option. Neither is boxing them and mounting on 
 demand. Since there are a limited number of datasets to be stacked we 
need 
 a cost effective solution.
  
  Does anyone know of a cheap or better yet free stacking mechanism 
 besides Iebgener? 
 
 DFSMShsm
 
 So are you saying he should copy the tape datasets to dasd and then 
 migrate them with HSM?
 ddk
 
 
 
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Re: Free software to stack tape datasets?

2009-06-17 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM


R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote in message
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 O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] pisze:
  We are looking to copy data off of 9840A tapes to 9840D tapes. There
are a limited number of free slots in our SL8500, so just letting them
wither and die is not an option. Neither is boxing them and mounting on
demand. Since there are a limited number of datasets to be stacked we
need a cost effective solution.
  
  Does anyone know of a cheap or better yet free stacking mechanism
besides Iebgener? 
 
 DFSMShsm
 
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Free software??? HSM??? Not here.

(Alanis Morriset's Ironic: it's a free ride when you've already paid).

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Re: Free software to stack tape datasets?

2009-06-17 Thread Jim Marshall
We are looking to copy data off of 9840A tapes to 9840D tapes. There are a 
limited number of free slots in our SL8500, so just letting them wither and die 
is not an option. Neither is boxing them and mounting on demand. Since there 
are a limited number of datasets to be stacked we need a cost effective 
solution.

Does anyone know of a cheap or better yet free stacking mechanism besides 
Iebgener?

Am in the throws of doing a buy for the same capability utility. My research 
indicates there are three players. Opentech has a tapecopy, Innovation DP 
has FATSCOPY, and IBM has Tivoli Tape Optimzer for z/OS. If anyone knows 
of others, let me know. Each has varying costs involved from quite 
inexpensive to quite expensive.  Contact me offlist for further info. 

jim 

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Re: Free software to stack tape datasets?

2009-06-17 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM


Jim Marshall jim.marsh...@opm.gov wrote in message
news:listserv%200906170741044777.0...@bama.ua.edu...
 We are looking to copy data off of 9840A tapes to 9840D tapes. There
are a 
 limited number of free slots in our SL8500, so just letting them
wither and die 
 is not an option. Neither is boxing them and mounting on demand. Since
there 
 are a limited number of datasets to be stacked we need a cost
effective 
 solution.
 
 Does anyone know of a cheap or better yet free stacking mechanism
besides 
 Iebgener?
 
 Am in the throws of doing a buy for the same capability utility. My
research 
 indicates there are three players. Opentech has a tapecopy, Innovation
DP 
 has FATSCOPY, and IBM has Tivoli Tape Optimzer for z/OS. If anyone
knows 
 of others, let me know. Each has varying costs involved from quite 
 inexpensive to quite expensive.  Contact me offlist for further info. 
 
 jim 
 

CA's Copycat for CA-1 and TLMS.

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Re: Free software to stack tape datasets?

2009-06-17 Thread Michael Sullivan
Jim,

Zela originally in the old Altai Z family of products now marketed by
sea, when I was there I licensed it to a few large shops, ask for
Larry Hayter for excellent support.

Mike


On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Vernooij, CP -
SPLXMkees.vern...@klm.com wrote:


 Jim Marshall jim.marsh...@opm.gov wrote in message
 news:listserv%200906170741044777.0...@bama.ua.edu...
 We are looking to copy data off of 9840A tapes to 9840D tapes. There
 are a
 limited number of free slots in our SL8500, so just letting them
 wither and die
 is not an option. Neither is boxing them and mounting on demand. Since
 there
 are a limited number of datasets to be stacked we need a cost
 effective
 solution.

 Does anyone know of a cheap or better yet free stacking mechanism
 besides
 Iebgener?

 Am in the throws of doing a buy for the same capability utility. My
 research
 indicates there are three players. Opentech has a tapecopy, Innovation
 DP
 has FATSCOPY, and IBM has Tivoli Tape Optimzer for z/OS. If anyone
 knows
 of others, let me know. Each has varying costs involved from quite
 inexpensive to quite expensive.  Contact me offlist for further info.

 jim


 CA's Copycat for CA-1 and TLMS.

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Re: Free software to stack tape datasets?

2009-06-17 Thread Darth Keller
Yes, that's what he mean. We do this since some years, even IBM has this 
concept which is called TMM.
We created a large DASD pool, changed the ACS routines to point the 
UNIT=CART to this pool (no JCL change necessary) and let HSM migrate to 
cartridge. However there are still some very big files going out directly 

to cartridge, because migrating/recalling them would take too much time. 
Using this TMM concept saved us to get extra software for tape stacking, 
however HSM CPU usage is going up.
Werner Kuehnel

I'm familiar with the concept.  My understanding of the origin of this 
thread was that they were looking for free software to take datasets 
curently on tape and stack them onto new tape technology.  While using HSM 
and even TMM for new datasets would be pretty straight-forward, using them 
to perform the stacking functions for existing tapes is a bit more 
complicated - consider existing tapes with stacked datasets. 
Catalog-control datasets - if even one of the stacked datasets is 
cataloged, the entire stack can be considered valid - that tape will not 
go scratch until the last dataset becomes uncataloged and the other 
uncataloged datasets can still be read and used. Unfortunately, we have 
customers who know this and have actually used the uncataloged datasets. 
Now you have to consider how you're going to replace this functionality 
when moving these datasets to disk.  Even if you move them to the new tape 
technology and stack them with other datasets, you still have to consider 
how that's going to affect the new tape - will it ever expire?  Then there 
are cycle-controlled datasets, expiration dates, retention periods.
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Re: Antwort: Re: Free software to stack tape datasets?

2009-06-17 Thread Mark Zelden
That is a fine solution for an on-going basis.  But for old / archived data,
converting it from tape to HSM / TMM / DASD would leave the end 
result in a different format and destroy the original creation information that 
IT people (including auditors) may want in the future (creation date, time,
jobname, pgmname, expdt, last used date, etc.).

Even if the OP uses IEBGENER to stack, the tape management software
(whatever it is) can be used to populate the tape catalog data from the
original 
data set / file into the entry for the new tape volser / file.

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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:53:19 +0200, Werner Kuehnel
werner.kueh...@mannheimer.de wrote:

Yes, that's what he mean. We do this since some years, even IBM has this
concept which is called TMM.
We created a large DASD pool, changed the ACS routines to point the
UNIT=CART to this pool (no JCL change necessary) and let HSM migrate to
cartridge. However there are still some very big files going out directly
to cartridge, because migrating/recalling them would take too much time.
Using this TMM concept saved us to get extra software for tape stacking,
however HSM CPU usage is going up.
Werner Kuehnel

IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU schrieb am 16.06.2009
18:00:58:

  We are looking to copy data off of 9840A tapes to 9840D tapes. There
 are a limited number of free slots in our SL8500, so just letting them
 wither and die is not an option. Neither is boxing them and mounting on
 demand. Since there are a limited number of datasets to be stacked we
need
 a cost effective solution.
 
  Does anyone know of a cheap or better yet free stacking mechanism
 besides Iebgener?

 DFSMShsm

 So are you saying he should copy the tape datasets to dasd and then
 migrate them with HSM?
 ddk


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Re: Free software to stack tape datasets?

2009-06-16 Thread R.S.

O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] pisze:

We are looking to copy data off of 9840A tapes to 9840D tapes. There are a 
limited number of free slots in our SL8500, so just letting them wither and die 
is not an option. Neither is boxing them and mounting on demand. Since there 
are a limited number of datasets to be stacked we need a cost effective 
solution.

Does anyone know of a cheap or better yet free stacking mechanism besides Iebgener? 


DFSMShsm

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Re: Free software to stack tape datasets?

2009-06-16 Thread Darth Keller
 We are looking to copy data off of 9840A tapes to 9840D tapes. There 
are a limited number of free slots in our SL8500, so just letting them 
wither and die is not an option. Neither is boxing them and mounting on 
demand. Since there are a limited number of datasets to be stacked we need 
a cost effective solution.
 
 Does anyone know of a cheap or better yet free stacking mechanism 
besides Iebgener? 

DFSMShsm

So are you saying he should copy the tape datasets to dasd and then 
migrate them with HSM?
ddk


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Re: Free software to stack tape datasets?

2009-06-16 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Yes, Darth that is what Radoslav is saying. As a HSM bigot myself, it would be 
my first option IF all datasets were cataloged. I expect they are not.

I was hoping there might be something on CBT that someone could recommend.

Dave O'Brien
NIH Contractor

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Subject: Re: Free software to stack tape datasets?

 We are looking to copy data off of 9840A tapes to 9840D tapes. There
are a limited number of free slots in our SL8500, so just letting them
wither and die is not an option. Neither is boxing them and mounting on
demand. Since there are a limited number of datasets to be stacked we need
a cost effective solution.

 Does anyone know of a cheap or better yet free stacking mechanism
besides Iebgener?

DFSMShsm

So are you saying he should copy the tape datasets to dasd and then
migrate them with HSM?
ddk


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Re: Free software to stack tape datasets?

2009-06-16 Thread R.S.

Darth Keller pisze:
We are looking to copy data off of 9840A tapes to 9840D tapes. There 
are a limited number of free slots in our SL8500, so just letting them 
wither and die is not an option. Neither is boxing them and mounting on 
demand. Since there are a limited number of datasets to be stacked we need 
a cost effective solution.
Does anyone know of a cheap or better yet free stacking mechanism 
besides Iebgener? 


DFSMShsm


So are you saying he should copy the tape datasets to dasd and then 
migrate them with HSM?


More or less.
In fact the best way to use tapes is to avoid using them directly.
No DD statements with 100MB datasets. No stacking. No manual duplexing.
Simply keep data on DASD and migrate/backup them using HSM.
Then issue like 9840A-D migration will be piece of cake (recycling).
You will also get much better tape utilization, wihtout VSM.
Last but not least - it's free (assumed you already have HSM or FDR).
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Re: Free software to stack tape datasets?

2009-06-16 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:25:22 -0400, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
obrie...@mail.nih.gov wrote:

We are looking to copy data off of 9840A tapes to 9840D tapes. There are a
limited number of free slots in our SL8500, so just letting them wither and
die is not an option. Neither is boxing them and mounting on demand. Since
there are a limited number of datasets to be stacked we need a cost
effective solution.

Does anyone know of a cheap or better yet free stacking mechanism besides
Iebgener?



I haven't used it in many years and I don't know anyone else who has either,
but if you are running CA-1, I still have TAPESTAK on my web site / CBT
file 434.

It can utilize COPYCAT or IEBGENER.  If you use the IEBGENER option, it
creates TMSUPDTE cards for you in order to preserve some of the original
information on the new tape (creation job name, date, etc.).

Since you say there are a limited number of data sets to be stacked, this
could work well for you.   It has a test mode, so you can run it and see
what will happen without actually destroying any of the original tapes / 
information.  

If you decide to try it, I'd be interested in hearing your results.

Even if you don't have CA-1, you may be able to modify it for other
software packages.  Even if it takes reading some sort of report output
instead of the TMC directly.

Regards,

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Re: Free software to stack tape datasets?

2009-06-16 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:26:44 -0500, Mark Zelden mark.zel...@zurichna.com
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:25:22 -0400, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
obrie...@mail.nih.gov wrote:

We are looking to copy data off of 9840A tapes to 9840D tapes. There are a
limited number of free slots in our SL8500, so just letting them wither and
die is not an option. Neither is boxing them and mounting on demand. Since
there are a limited number of datasets to be stacked we need a cost
effective solution.

Does anyone know of a cheap or better yet free stacking mechanism besides
Iebgener?



I haven't used it in many years and I don't know anyone else who has either,
but if you are running CA-1, I still have TAPESTAK on my web site / CBT
file 434.

It can utilize COPYCAT or IEBGENER.  If you use the IEBGENER option, it
creates TMSUPDTE cards for you in order to preserve some of the original
information on the new tape (creation job name, date, etc.).

Since you say there are a limited number of data sets to be stacked, this
could work well for you.   It has a test mode, so you can run it and see
what will happen without actually destroying any of the original tapes /
information.

If you decide to try it, I'd be interested in hearing your results.

Even if you don't have CA-1, you may be able to modify it for other
software packages.  Even if it takes reading some sort of report output
instead of the TMC directly.



I just ran a test and it still looks like it works with CA-1 11.5.  However,
my first run didn't find any tapes to stack.   In looking at the section
of code (copied below) that excludes certain tapes from selection, I found
that the outcode (vault) appears to be blanks now and my code was
checking for hex zeros.  Not sure when that changed... like I said, I 
haven't run this in years.   I changed the check and it works.   

Perhaps Russell Witt can tell me when that changed or why I am 
seeing something different now than in the past when I used this
program.

  /*  If any of the following conditions are true - get  */ 
  /*  another record.*/ 
  /* */ 
  /*   1) The tape volser  STARTNUM or  ENDNUM */ 
  /*   2) The tape is a 9 track (3420) tape  */ 
  /*   3) The tape is a FDRABR tape  */ 
  /*   4) The tape is a DFHSM  tape  */ 
  /*   5) The tape is vaulted*/ 
  /*   6) The tape is part of a multi-volume set */ 
  /*   7) The tape is a multi- file tape (tape has DSNBs)*/ 
  /* */ 
  If VOLSER  STARTNUM | VOLSER  ENDNUM then iterate   
  If Substr(INREC,89,1) = X2c('80') then iterate /* 9 track (3420)   */ 
  If Substr(INREC,7,6) = 'FDRABR' then iterate /* FDR/ABR tapes  */ 
  If Substr(INREC,7,5) = 'DFHSM'  then iterate /* DFHSM tapes*/ 
 /*If Substr(INREC,109,4)  X2c('') then iterate *//*vaulted*/ 
  If Substr(INREC,109,4)  ''  then iterate /* vaulted  */ 
  If Substr(INREC,57,6)  X2c('') then iterate /*mlt-vol*/ 
  If Substr(INREC,75,2)  X2c('') then iterate /* multi file*/ 
  /* */ 




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Re: Free software to stack tape datasets?

2009-06-16 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Thank you Mark, I'll look into this.

Dave O'Brien
NIH Contractor

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mark 
Zelden [mark.zel...@zurichna.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:12 PM
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Subject: Re: Free software to stack tape datasets?

On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:26:44 -0500, Mark Zelden mark.zel...@zurichna.com
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:25:22 -0400, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
obrie...@mail.nih.gov wrote:

We are looking to copy data off of 9840A tapes to 9840D tapes. There are a
limited number of free slots in our SL8500, so just letting them wither and
die is not an option. Neither is boxing them and mounting on demand. Since
there are a limited number of datasets to be stacked we need a cost
effective solution.

Does anyone know of a cheap or better yet free stacking mechanism besides
Iebgener?



I haven't used it in many years and I don't know anyone else who has either,
but if you are running CA-1, I still have TAPESTAK on my web site / CBT
file 434.

It can utilize COPYCAT or IEBGENER.  If you use the IEBGENER option, it
creates TMSUPDTE cards for you in order to preserve some of the original
information on the new tape (creation job name, date, etc.).

Since you say there are a limited number of data sets to be stacked, this
could work well for you.   It has a test mode, so you can run it and see
what will happen without actually destroying any of the original tapes /
information.

If you decide to try it, I'd be interested in hearing your results.

Even if you don't have CA-1, you may be able to modify it for other
software packages.  Even if it takes reading some sort of report output
instead of the TMC directly.



I just ran a test and it still looks like it works with CA-1 11.5.  However,
my first run didn't find any tapes to stack.   In looking at the section
of code (copied below) that excludes certain tapes from selection, I found
that the outcode (vault) appears to be blanks now and my code was
checking for hex zeros.  Not sure when that changed... like I said, I
haven't run this in years.   I changed the check and it works.

Perhaps Russell Witt can tell me when that changed or why I am
seeing something different now than in the past when I used this
program.

  /*  If any of the following conditions are true - get  */
  /*  another record.*/
  /* */
  /*   1) The tape volser  STARTNUM or  ENDNUM */
  /*   2) The tape is a 9 track (3420) tape  */
  /*   3) The tape is a FDRABR tape  */
  /*   4) The tape is a DFHSM  tape  */
  /*   5) The tape is vaulted*/
  /*   6) The tape is part of a multi-volume set */
  /*   7) The tape is a multi- file tape (tape has DSNBs)*/
  /* */
  If VOLSER  STARTNUM | VOLSER  ENDNUM then iterate
  If Substr(INREC,89,1) = X2c('80') then iterate /* 9 track (3420)   */
  If Substr(INREC,7,6) = 'FDRABR' then iterate /* FDR/ABR tapes  */
  If Substr(INREC,7,5) = 'DFHSM'  then iterate /* DFHSM tapes*/
 /*If Substr(INREC,109,4)  X2c('') then iterate *//*vaulted*/
  If Substr(INREC,109,4)  ''  then iterate /* vaulted  */
  If Substr(INREC,57,6)  X2c('') then iterate /*mlt-vol*/
  If Substr(INREC,75,2)  X2c('') then iterate /* multi file*/
  /* */




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