Re: Mainframe books
I suspect he is referring to MVS Extended Architecture Overview I concur. Nothing named Indroduction or Overview thereafter was at the same level. I always wished this book would have been updated for MVS/ESA, then for z/OS (64bit MVS). -- Peter Hunkeler Credit Suisse -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe books
Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4) wrote: I suspect he is referring to MVS Extended Architecture Overview I concur. Nothing named Indroduction or Overview thereafter was at the same level. I always wished this book would have been updated for MVS/ESA, then for z/OS (64bit MVS). A PDF copy is on the internet at: http://www.prycroft6.com.au/misc/download/GC28-1348-0_MVSXAoverview_Mar84OCR.pdf There is a readers comment form at the back - maybe we need to fill it in and say Can you update this book please. :-) -- Andrew Rowley Black Hill Software Pty. Ltd. Phone: +61 413 302 386 EasySMF for z/OS: Interactive SMF Reports on Your PC http://www.smfreports.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe books
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Andrew Rowley and...@blackhillsoftware.comwrote: Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4) wrote: I suspect he is referring to MVS Extended Architecture Overview I concur. Nothing named Indroduction or Overview thereafter was at the same level. I always wished this book would have been updated for MVS/ESA, then for z/OS (64bit MVS). A PDF copy is on the internet at: http://www.prycroft6.com.au/misc/download/GC28-1348-0_MVSXAoverview_Mar84OCR.pdf There is a readers comment form at the back - maybe we need to fill it in and say Can you update this book please. :-) Thanks ... This is great! -- Andrew Rowley Black Hill Software Pty. Ltd. Phone: +61 413 302 386 EasySMF for z/OS: Interactive SMF Reports on Your PC http://www.smfreports.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe books
There are a couple of books available through Amazon that might be good for an introduction. They are Introduction to the New Mainframe: z/OS Basics by IBM Redbooks z/OS (MVS) Primer by David Shelby Kirk The second one has the Look Inside capability, and I checked the table of contents. It looks pretty good. Both of these books run around $50.00 at the cheapest, but you should be able to get the first one from the IBM Redbooks web site. Tom Kelman Capacity Planning Commerce Bank, Kansas City -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John Kelly Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 4:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Mainframe books SNIP I'm looking for a book that breaks down the internals of MVS /SNIP getting into the ABC series takes a good deal of knowledge and/or experience. If you're talking more about entry level stuff, something like MVS: Concepts and Facilities (J. Ranade IBM series) may be more than enough to cure you of insomia. Jack Kelly 202-502-2390 (Office) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html * If you wish to communicate securely with Commerce Bank and its affiliates, you must log into your account under Online Services at http://www.commercebank.com or use the Commerce Bank Secure Email Message Center at https://securemail.commercebank.com NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any attached files are confidential. The information is exclusively for the use of the individual or entity intended as the recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, printing, reviewing, retention, disclosure, distribution or forwarding of the message or any attached file is not authorized and is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please advise the sender by reply electronic mail immediately and permanently delete the original transmission, any attachments and any copies of this message from your computer system. * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe books
Surely no one should pay $50 for an IBM Redbook available for free from IBM. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Kelman, Tom Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 7:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Mainframe books There are a couple of books available through Amazon that might be good for an introduction. They are Introduction to the New Mainframe: z/OS Basics by IBM Redbooks z/OS (MVS) Primer by David Shelby Kirk The second one has the Look Inside capability, and I checked the table of contents. It looks pretty good. Both of these books run around $50.00 at the cheapest, but you should be able to get the first one from the IBM Redbooks web site. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe books
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:03:40 -0500, gsg gsg_...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm looking for a book that breaks down the interanls of MVS. I was talking to one of our SYSPROGS and he said there use to be a book that really broke everything down into real simple terms that was easy to understand. He couln't remember what the name was though. I'm sure it wasn't on MVS, probably much earlier. If anyone knows of such a book or have any recommendations, I'd appreciate it. Depends on what you mean by internals. Several people mentioned the ABCs which are great, but I don't know that they teach internals. Some of the others mentioned would be better. One I still have that I think does fit the term internals is MVS Control Blocks by Hank Murhpy. Also one of the J. Ranade IBM Series. While the book was written in circa MVS/ESA, it is still a good book and even though there are more bells and whistles in today's OS. Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:mzel...@flash.net Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe books
If you are new and maybe already understand UNIX, the I would recommend the book UNIX as a Second Language. This book is available on Amazon for $7.22 in the US. - Alan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe books
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:03:40 -0500, gsg gsg_...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm looking for a book that breaks down the interanls of MVS. I was talking to one of our SYSPROGS and he said there use to be a book that really broke everything down into real simple terms that was easy to understand. He couln't remember what the name was though. I'm sure it wasn't on MVS, probably much earlier. If anyone knows of such a book or have any recommendations, I'd appreciate it. Thanks Not up-to-date, but its contents is still relevant: Invitation to MVS. Logic and Debugging Harry Katzan Jr. and Davis Tharayil 1984 Petrocelli Books ISBN 0-89433-081-0 Regards, Michel Castelein z/OS instructor consultant Arcis Services http://www.arcis-services.net -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe books
On 23 Jul 2010 23:59:21 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:03:40 -0500, gsg gsg_...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm looking for a book that breaks down the interanls of MVS. I was talking to one of our SYSPROGS and he said there use to be a book that really broke everything down into real simple terms that was easy to understand. He couln't remember what the name was though. I'm sure it wasn't on MVS, probably much earlier. If anyone knows of such a book or have any recommendations, I'd appreciate it. Thanks Not up-to-date, but its contents is still relevant: Invitation to MVS. Logic and Debugging Harry Katzan Jr. and Davis Tharayil 1984 Petrocelli Books ISBN 0-89433-081-0 The way I read this is a request for the equivalent of either an MVS for Dummies or MVS Computer Basics mirroring what is available for the Windows world. Given that the mind set behind OSMVT / MVS / OS390 / zOS differs substantially from either Windows or Unix/Linux of choice such a book could be useful in general. Clark Morris Regards, Michel Castelein z/OS instructor consultant Arcis Services http://www.arcis-services.net -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe books
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg246366.pdf Introduction to the New Mainframe: z/OS Basics Published: August 9, 2009 Last Update: August 24, 2009 Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe books
I'm looking for a book that breaks down the interanls of MVS. I was talking to one of our SYSPROGS and he said there use to be a book that really broke everything down into real simple terms that was easy to understand. He couln't remember what the name was though. I'm sure it wasn't on MVS, probably much earlier. If anyone knows of such a book or have any recommendations, I'd appreciate it. You never mentioned what kind of knowledge you possessed about MVS. If you are already a SYSPROG doing MVS, then it would be one path. New to MVS wanting to understanding internals is another internals. If you are new and maybe already understand UNIX, the I would recommend the book UNIX as a Second Language. Back in the 1980s, Bob Johnson (computer performance fame and Landmark Systems) wrote this book for we MVS'ers to understand UNIX. But the reverse came about when I editted it for Bob, I could now understand UNIX. This was back when MVS'ers did not care about such things. If you ar interested, contact me offlist. I got to come back in the US Government applying his 15 prior years service. He is in retirement and I understand still makes the book available. Jim Marshall -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe books
Look at the 'ABC's of z/OS Systems Programming' series of RedBooks, also the 'Introduction to the new Mainframe' series. -Original Message- gsg I'm looking for a book that breaks down the interanls of MVS. I was talking to one of our SYSPROGS and he said there use to be a book that really broke everything down into real simple terms that was easy to understand. He couln't remember what the name was though. I'm sure it wasn't on MVS, probably much earlier. If anyone knows of such a book or have any recommendations, I'd appreciate it. Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe books
There is a 13 volume set of IBM Redbooks entitled the ABCs of z/OS System Programming, which is a good place to start. Go to http://www.redbooks.ibm.com John P. Baker -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of gsg Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 5:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Mainframe books I'm looking for a book that breaks down the interanls of MVS. I was talking to one of our SYSPROGS and he said there use to be a book that really broke everything down into real simple terms that was easy to understand. He couln't remember what the name was though. I'm sure it wasn't on MVS, probably much earlier. If anyone knows of such a book or have any recommendations, I'd appreciate it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe books
SNIP I'm looking for a book that breaks down the internals of MVS /SNIP getting into the ABC series takes a good deal of knowledge and/or experience. If you're talking more about entry level stuff, something like MVS: Concepts and Facilities (J. Ranade IBM series) may be more than enough to cure you of insomia. Jack Kelly 202-502-2390 (Office) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe books
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of gsg Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 4:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Mainframe books I'm looking for a book that breaks down the interanls of MVS. I was talking to one of our SYSPROGS and he said there use to be a book that really broke everything down into real simple terms that was easy to understand. He couln't remember what the name was though. I'm sure it wasn't on MVS, probably much earlier. If anyone knows of such a book or have any recommendations, I'd appreciate it. SNIP Invitation to MVS Logic and Debugging by Katzman Tharayil Another that might be of interest is: MVS Power Programming by Marx Davis Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe books
While it's a perfectly reasonable response in the scheme of things, I have to laugh out loud at There is a 13 volume set... in response to ...real simple terms that was easy to understand! -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe books
gsg wrote: I'm looking for a book that breaks down the interanls of MVS. I was talking to one of our SYSPROGS and he said there use to be a book that really broke everything down into real simple terms that was easy to understand. He couln't remember what the name was though. I'm sure it wasn't on MVS, probably much earlier. If anyone knows of such a book or have any recommendations, I'd appreciate it. I suspect he is referring to MVS Extended Architecture Overview. Very old now but I suspect still quite good to get a handle on the concepts. A lot has changed since it was published, but there is probably more that hasn't... Andrew Rowley -- Andrew Rowley Black Hill Software Pty. Ltd. Phone: +61 413 302 386 EasySMF for z/OS: Interactive SMF Reports on Your PC http://www.smfreports.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
