Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9
We did a migration from a EMC 8830 to a EMC DMX-3 using TDMF and it went very smoothly. Although you cannot go 3 to 1, you can go 1 to 1 then disable 1/3 of the volumes and use DFDSS to move whatever you can. You can then move the rest during your maintenance window, if you have one. The one thing I liked about TDMF was that it would resize your VTOC for you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9
have you compared the performance between FDRMOVE with TDMF, which one is better? how can you move the file extend with multiple volumes, (SYSDA,16)... On 4/24/08, gsg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We did a migration from a EMC 8830 to a EMC DMX-3 using TDMF and it went very smoothly. Although you cannot go 3 to 1, you can go 1 to 1 then disable 1/3 of the volumes and use DFDSS to move whatever you can. You can then move the rest during your maintenance window, if you have one. The one thing I liked about TDMF was that it would resize your VTOC for you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:24:06 -0400, Lizette Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any suggestions? Here is a clist I use for migrating stuff from 3380 technology to 3390. It is no good if HSM won't handle the file e.g. multi-volume, enqueued, APf blah blah. TDMF or whatever is the best bet, but something like this is handy for isolated files or if you have no budget. Good luck Dave PROC 2 DSN VOL DEBUG IF DEBUG = DEBUG THEN CONTROL MSG LIST CONLIST SYMLIST FLUSH ELSE CONTROL NOMSG NOLIST FLUSH /* */ IF VOL = '' THEN SET VOL = FAP009 HMIGRATE DSN WAIT HRECALL DSN UNIT(3390) VOLUME(VOL) /* */ EXIT CODE(0) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/14/2008 at 01:24 PM, Lizette Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: We will be upgrading our Storage array and at that time the dasd will be carved out as MOD 9's. Currently we are 99% Mod 3s. Be sure to increase VTOC, VTOC index and VVDS sizes as necessary. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 12:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9 This is just a curiosity question. We will be upgrading our Storage array and at that time the dasd will be carved out as MOD 9's. Currently we are 99% Mod 3s. Is there a way without taking an outage to move 3 MOD 3s onto one mod 9? I was hoping that TDMF, or DFDSS might work but I think they need control of the files. Any suggestions? Lizette DFDSS will only move files when it can get exclusive access to the files. I think TDMF or FDRPAS will move files while they are in use, but only to like sized volumes. I think that TDMS and FDRPAS work like a mirror-ing controller, updating both DASD units simultaneously. But this does require identical device geometries. That said, they may support moving from a -3 to a -9, but not a consolidation of 3 -3s onto one -9. That is simply not possible (justwatch somebody will prove me wrong!) -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9
We just finished moving about 12 Mod3's to Mod9's using FDRPAS without any problems or outages. Many of these volumes were high usage SMS type volumes and most were completed in 7 minutes or less. Charles S. Kammer -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 12:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9 This is just a curiosity question. We will be upgrading our Storage array and at that time the dasd will be carved out as MOD 9's. Currently we are 99% Mod 3s. Is there a way without taking an outage to move 3 MOD 3s onto one mod 9? I was hoping that TDMF, or DFDSS might work but I think they need control of the files. Any suggestions? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kammer, Charles Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 12:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9 We just finished moving about 12 Mod3's to Mod9's using FDRPAS without any problems or outages. Many of these volumes were high usage SMS type volumes and most were completed in 7 minutes or less. Charles S. Kammer Consolidations of multiple -3s onto a single -9? Or 1:1 from -3 to -9? -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9
One thing that bit us was the size of the VTOC's. When you move a mod-3, 15 track VTOC to a mod-9 and use it within SMS or HSM, you will blow out the VTOC. Please make sure you check what the volume will be used for. Something I inherited...Been there done that. Just another FYI. Claude Richbourg Florida Department of Corrections Systems Programmer 850-921-1383 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kammer, Charles Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9 We just finished moving about 12 Mod3's to Mod9's using FDRPAS without any problems or outages. Many of these volumes were high usage SMS type volumes and most were completed in 7 minutes or less. Charles S. Kammer -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 12:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9 This is just a curiosity question. We will be upgrading our Storage array and at that time the dasd will be carved out as MOD 9's. Currently we are 99% Mod 3s. Is there a way without taking an outage to move 3 MOD 3s onto one mod 9? I was hoping that TDMF, or DFDSS might work but I think they need control of the files. Any suggestions? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9
Kammer, Charles wrote: We just finished moving about 12 Mod3's to Mod9's using FDRPAS without any problems or outages. Many of these volumes were high usage SMS type volumes and most were completed in 7 minutes or less. Did you consolidate them three-to-one??? That's what she wants to do. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9
As far as I know, TDMF will move Mod3s to Mod-9s while the files are open. The only caveat was with page datasets. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9
1:1 from a Mod3 to a Mod9. We were migrating from an older RAMAC to a Shark and needed to increase the amount of storage we had available for certain SMS groups and each Mod3 we took to a Mod9 added the equivalent of two additional volumes without having to add physical volumes to the group. Charles S. Kammer -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 12:48 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kammer, Charles Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 12:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9 We just finished moving about 12 Mod3's to Mod9's using FDRPAS without any problems or outages. Many of these volumes were high usage SMS type volumes and most were completed in 7 minutes or less. Charles S. Kammer Consolidations of multiple -3s onto a single -9? Or 1:1 from -3 to -9? -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9
PS. Is there a reason you are only going to Mod-9s? Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9
Have used FDRPAS for straight volume to volume migrations, including mod3 to mod9. Have used FDRMOVE to do volume consolidations, so 3 mod3 to 1 mod9. Jeffrey Deaver, Engineer Systems Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] 651-665-4231(v) IS - Creating competitive advantage with technology. Providing service that excels. OSS - Where Innovation Happens -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9
We also migrated from MOD-3 to Mod-9s to help us reduce UCB's and get back PAVs. We used FDRPAS and this worked out nicely for us. The migration was smooth enough to run during our production day Rich Lopez -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kammer, Charles Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9 We just finished moving about 12 Mod3's to Mod9's using FDRPAS without any problems or outages. Many of these volumes were high usage SMS type volumes and most were completed in 7 minutes or less. Charles S. Kammer -SNIP -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9
You had it correct 3 MOD3s to one MOD9. Lizette We just finished moving about 12 Mod3's to Mod9's using FDRPAS without any problems or outages. Many of these volumes were high usage SMS type volumes and most were completed in 7 minutes or less. Charles S. Kammer Consolidations of multiple -3s onto a single -9? Or 1:1 from -3 to -9? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9
Is there a way without taking an outage to move 3 MOD 3s onto one mod 9? The first volume can be moved to a Mod-9, but (unless it's changed in two years) the other two have to be done with dfdss. I think there is a combo of commands that will do it, but it will not be an image copy. Another trick I did was to just HMIG everything off of the 2nd 3rd volume and just let the user recall as needed. Approx 20% never came back. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9
We just finished moving about 12 Mod3's to Mod9's using FDRPAS without any problems or outages. Many of these volumes were high usage SMS type volumes and most were completed in 7 minutes or less. Has something changed in 4 years? We couldn't consolidate the last time I used FDRPAS. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9
Hi All, Not sure if it's been mentioned but if the original poster has CA-DISK (or something similar?), it's a breeze with the MOVE function. Since it's dataset oriented, it's slow, but it works! Hope this helps. Bob Lester Technical Services Systems and Storage OppenheimerFunds -- This e-mail transmission may contain information that is proprietary, privileged and/or confidential and is intended exclusively for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, copying, retention or disclosure by any person other than the intended recipient or the intended recipient's designees is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or their designee, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. OppenheimerFunds may, at its sole discretion, monitor, review, retain and/or disclose the content of all email communications. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9
Hi Lizette, The IBM/SOFTEK LDMF product might be closer to what you are looking for. The following PDF document has a couple of migration examples ( Page 19 amp; Page 27 ) whose requirements appear very close to yours. See the following URL: http://www-935.ibm.com/services/us/gts/pdf/softek-implementing-ldmf.pdf We have never used the LDMF product, only the TDMF product so I don't have any real world experience. HTH Glenn Miller -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9
Lizette EMC has it's own version of LDMF that is available for use in services engagements. You could talk to your EMC sales rep for details. We do not sell the software in the traditional sense of the word; it is only available as a part of a services contract. It is not the same code as the LDMF product from IBM, however, it is from the same base code because the product was initially a joint venture of Softek and EMC. Please talk to EMC to get a complete list of features and differences. Tom Moulder -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Miller Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Moving DASD Volumes from Mod3 to Mod9 Hi Lizette, The IBM/SOFTEK LDMF product might be closer to what you are looking for. The following PDF document has a couple of migration examples ( Page 19 amp; Page 27 ) whose requirements appear very close to yours. See the following URL: http://www-935.ibm.com/services/us/gts/pdf/softek-implementing-ldmf.pdf We have never used the LDMF product, only the TDMF product so I don't have any real world experience. HTH Glenn Miller No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
