Re: Need a PC tape drive to read 3490, 3490E
Hello Shmuel, Thank you for correcting me, and clarifying. Regards, Mike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need a PC tape drive to read 3490, 3490E
On 2012-06-10 21:52, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: Note: b, d r is a takeoff on the more common g, d r; barfing instead of grinning. Pardon my ignorance, but what do the d and the r represent? I haven't found g, d r to be common anywhere but on this listserv. -- Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Software International (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation) Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need a PC tape drive to read 3490, 3490E
Grinning, Ducking, and Running. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Gord Tomlin Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 12:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Need a PC tape drive to read 3490, 3490E On 2012-06-10 21:52, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: Note: b, d r is a takeoff on the more common g, d r; barfing instead of grinning. Pardon my ignorance, but what do the d and the r represent? I haven't found g, d r to be common anywhere but on this listserv. -- Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Software International (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation) Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need a PC tape drive to read 3490, 3490E
On 2012-06-11 13:59, McKown, John wrote: Grinning, Ducking, and Running. Thanks! I guess I'm part of the secret circle now. -- Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Software International (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation) Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need a PC tape drive to read 3490, 3490E
Hello Schmuel, BTW, we also have a desktop SCSI 9-track drive. What, no 7-track? b, d r Thanks for the chuckle. The need has not arisen, yet. ;-) Regards, Mike Baldwin Cartagena Software Limited Markham, Ontario, Canada 1-888-873-8273 +1 905-887-0755 www.cartagena.com www.teltape.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need a PC tape drive to read 3490, 3490E
In 3723966600637284.wa.mikecartagena@listserv.ua.edu, on 06/10/2012 at 11:49 AM, Mike Baldwin m...@cartagena.com said: Hello Schmuel, That's Shmuel! Thanks for the chuckle. Note: b, d r is a takeoff on the more common g, d r; barfing instead of grinning. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need a PC tape drive to read 3490, 3490E
In 9284406812198004.wa.mikecartagena@listserv.ua.edu, on 06/08/2012 at 02:06 PM, Mike Baldwin m...@cartagena.com said: BTW, we also have a desktop SCSI 9-track drive. What, no 7-track? b, d r -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need a PC tape drive to read 3490, 3490E
Hi Sam, If you're looking for free, or close to it, maybe the Hercules group suggestion is best. I know something about connecting 3490, 3590, and 9840 drives to Windows PC's, because we have a software product called TelTape for Windows. But we have only one such 3490 drive, and need it to support the software. So if you can't use someone else's drive, it's best to look on eBay or anywhere you can find used 3490E drives that can be SCSI-attached. You'll also need a SCSI card in the PC, a cable, and a terminator. Our machine is Overland Data, L490E. There are also Fujitsu, IBM 3490F (which I think is really Overland), and MP Tapes http://www.mptapes.com/company.html BTW, we also have a desktop SCSI 9-track drive. It has a transparent cover, so you can watch it. HTH, Mike Baldwin Cartagena Software Limited Markham, Ontario, Canada 1-888-873-8273 +1 905-887-0755 www.cartagena.com www.teltape.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need a PC tape drive to read 3490, 3490E
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Re: Need a PC tape drive to read 3490, 3490E
Hello R.S., There are also Fujitsu, IBM 3490F (which I think is really Overland), If you mean 3490E-Fxx, then yes, it;s Overland drive, attached (using SCSI) to a PC. The PC is small Siemens server running Sinix (Siemens flavor of Unix). The PC has ESCON cards for host attachment and SCSI for drive attachment. I think it's 3490-F01. Attaches to any PC (or SCSI host, actually), need not be Siemens or run Sinix or have ESCON. My opinion: piece of sh*t. Older 3490E-Cxx drives are more reliable and less susceptible to failures. Tested on +25k carts and dozen of drives. OK. If you need ESCON, then there are different choices. I think it's impressive that any 3490-Cxx or 3490-Fxx are still in operation, and indeed they are, but I haven't seen recent R+ numbers. ;-) I have seen 3490-Cxx and the others with out of service signs blocking their orifices. Enjoy your football matches! Regards, Mike Baldwin Cartagena Software Limited Markham, Ontario, Canada 1-888-873-8273 +1 905-887-0755 www.cartagena.com www.teltape.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need a PC tape drive to read 3490, 3490E
In 4fcf76bf.9040...@cbttape.org, on 06/06/2012 at 11:26 AM, Sam Golob sbgo...@cbttape.org said: Does anybody have a suggestion how I can get a tape drive to attach to a PC so that I can read 3490, 3490E tapes, without my having to spend a couple of thousand dollars? There used to be PC (SCSI?) drives that could handle old tapes, but I have no idea what they cost or whether they are still available. I've seen advertisements for everything from open reel to 3490E formats. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need a PC tape drive to read 3490, 3490E
Shmuel: I worked MVS at that time on a PC390 ...we had a 3800 and tape drives and a 3174 attached to it. Also BAR/RJE supported tape drives and of course various printers that were BUS/TAGGED into it Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com From: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 10:13 AM Subject: Re: Need a PC tape drive to read 3490, 3490E In 4fcf76bf.9040...@cbttape.org, on 06/06/2012 at 11:26 AM, Sam Golob sbgo...@cbttape.org said: Does anybody have a suggestion how I can get a tape drive to attach to a PC so that I can read 3490, 3490E tapes, without my having to spend a couple of thousand dollars? There used to be PC (SCSI?) drives that could handle old tapes, but I have no idea what they cost or whether they are still available. I've seen advertisements for everything from open reel to 3490E formats. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need a PC tape drive to read 3490, 3490E
In 1339083804.4053.yahoomail...@web164506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com, on 06/07/2012 at 08:43 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said: I worked MVS at that time on a PC390 ...we had a 3800 and tape drives and a 3174 attached to it. Also BAR/RJE supported tape drives and of course various printers that were BUS/TAGGED into it Aren't parallel channel adaptors a lot more expensive than SCSI adaptors? Also, the PC tape drives I've seen advertised needed a lot less real estate than the mainframe versions, and for one-time copying I wouldn't expect performance to be an issue. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need a PC tape drive to read 3490, 3490E
Fujitsu used to make a SCSI-2 tape drive with 3490E capability. I believe the line was sold to Computer Peripherals Unlimited, Inc. There is a web page at: http://www.fujitsutape.com/3490e.html Note also that they offer a data conversion service, so I suppose they will for a fee read a cartridge for you and send you the results on a CD or DVD. I suppose it's possible that these drives show up on the surplus market every so often. John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need a PC tape drive to read 3490, 3490E
Shmuel, We used these when I worked on europe, we were converting a lot of small Philip Morris offices to these.. http://www.barrcentral.com/help/beps/Overview_BARR_RJE.htm Scott ford www.identityforge.com On Jun 7, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In 1339083804.4053.yahoomail...@web164506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com, on 06/07/2012 at 08:43 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said: I worked MVS at that time on a PC390 ...we had a 3800 and tape drives and a 3174 attached to it. Also BAR/RJE supported tape drives and of course various printers that were BUS/TAGGED into it Aren't parallel channel adaptors a lot more expensive than SCSI adaptors? Also, the PC tape drives I've seen advertised needed a lot less real estate than the mainframe versions, and for one-time copying I wouldn't expect performance to be an issue. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need a PC tape drive to read 3490, 3490E
There are some people on the Hercules group that will read the tapes and post the AWSTAPE files. You just have to get the tape to them. On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Sam Golob sbgo...@cbttape.org wrote: Hi Folks, Does anybody have a suggestion how I can get a tape drive to attach to a PC so that I can read 3490, 3490E tapes, without my having to spend a couple of thousand dollars? I need this to support the CBT Tape effort and to try and resurrect old archives for the public's benefit. Thanks much. Sincerely, Sam Golob -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
