Re: OT but an interesting read for MVS system Programmers

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <4dae88de.7020...@gmail.com>, on 04/20/2011
   at 03:18 PM, David Crayford  said:

>How many free diagnosis tools other than 
>IPCS are available for z/OS?

Quite a few.
 
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Re: OT but an interesting read for MVS system Programmers

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <455443.49453...@web161401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, on 04/20/2011
   at 10:00 AM, Ed Gould  said:

>I may be old school

My old school taught me that I should continue learning after I left
school.

>but I have always preferred printed dumps.

De gustibus. When they have a dead-tree dump with search functions
I'll consider it; until then, I want IPCS.

>IPCS was so slow

Flipping through thousands of pages is slower.
 
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Re: OT but an interesting read for MVS system Programmers

[Ed Gould]

From: Sam Siegel 
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Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 11:14:30 PM
Subject: Re: OT but an interesting read for MVS system Programmers
-SNIP---

I'm not fan of MS ... but just put yourself in a Windows Admin's shoes when
reading an article in a Mainframe oriented magazine on how to install,
configure and use IPCS to shoot a JES failure dump.  (I'm not saying JES is
prone to errors.  I'm using it as an example because they are talking about
shooting a driver dump on the windows machine.  So it is not a simple
problem state application failure.)

I'm guessing they would probably have a similar reaction to what you had.

-

Not sure how far back I can go in memory. But I cannot come up with one time I 
have had to ever d/l and execute any utility that handles dumps, traces or 
anything else (debugging) for that matter.

I may be old school but I have always preferred printed dumps. Yes at times 
they 
could be a PITA but I could always pick up where I left off. IPCS was so slow 
and you always had to dive to get some instructions someplace along the line.

BTW JES2 dumps were usually easier to figure out that other MVS componets.

Imagine trying to look at a dump and have no idea what a field is supposed to 
contain. It would be like not having a data areas manual.
Ed

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Re: OT but an interesting read for MVS system Programmers

[Shane Ginnane]

I haven't tracked the Russinovich blog since he was hired by Microsoft when
they bought sysinternals back in 2006.
Must be the cynic in me, but I have to question whether an employee can be as
forthcoming as an independent developer - no questioning his technical nous.
Lots of things can be quietly killed - much like Apple and the lobotomy
performed on dtrace.

Shane ...

On Wed, Apr 20th, 2011 at 5:18 PM, David Crayford wrote:
...
> Some of the free tools for windows are superb. The free sysinternals 
> suite is an example of a top developer
> who knows the internals of windows. I don't often code windows programs, 
> but when I do there is great
> tool chain available for free. How many free diagnosis tools other than 
> IPCS are available for z/OS?

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Re: OT but an interesting read for MVS system Programmers

[David Crayford]

On 20/04/2011 12:14 PM, Sam Siegel wrote:

On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Ed Gould  wrote:


http://www.networkworld.com/supp/2011//041811-windows-7-crashes.html

This article is a "How to" for taking dumps and other debugging activity on
a
windows machine.
I do not know if I want to laugh or cry.


I'm not fan of MS ... but just put yourself in a Windows Admin's shoes when
reading an article in a Mainframe oriented magazine on how to install,
configure and use IPCS to shoot a JES failure dump.  (I'm not saying JES is
prone to errors.  I'm using it as an example because they are talking about
shooting a driver dump on the windows machine.  So it is not a simple
problem state application failure.)

I'm guessing they would probably have a similar reaction to what you had.


I didn't used to be a fan of MS but windows has got a whole lot better 
since the old BSOD days. I run
Ubuntu and different Linux systems at home but use windows at work. It's 
ok, other than the malware!


The article scrapes the surface. It mentions the Windows SDK which has 
excellent diagnosis tools which
can be used to diagnose any user/kernel space crashes. Unfortunately, 
most Windows admin's don't know
how to diagnose a dump. In fact, a lot of windows developers don't know 
how to diagnose a dump.

However, there are of lots of windows professionals that do!

Some of the free tools for windows are superb. The free sysinternals 
suite is an example of a top developer
who knows the internals of windows. I don't often code windows programs, 
but when I do there is great
tool chain available for free. How many free diagnosis tools other than 
IPCS are available for z/OS?



Ed

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Re: OT but an interesting read for MVS system Programmers

[Sam Siegel]

On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Ed Gould  wrote:

> http://www.networkworld.com/supp/2011//041811-windows-7-crashes.html
>
> This article is a "How to" for taking dumps and other debugging activity on
> a
> windows machine.
> I do not know if I want to laugh or cry.
>

I'm not fan of MS ... but just put yourself in a Windows Admin's shoes when
reading an article in a Mainframe oriented magazine on how to install,
configure and use IPCS to shoot a JES failure dump.  (I'm not saying JES is
prone to errors.  I'm using it as an example because they are talking about
shooting a driver dump on the windows machine.  So it is not a simple
problem state application failure.)

I'm guessing they would probably have a similar reaction to what you had.


>
> Ed
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