Re: WTO Alternative using HLASM

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <312947.22077...@web54607.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, on 04/01/2010
   at 10:37 PM, Ed Gould  said:

>Now for the 10 dollar question where is it documented?

Well, I know where IEFYS was documented in OS/360, but I have ne idea
where it is these days. Exits?
 
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Re: WTO Alternative using HLASM

[Ed Gould]

Thanks Rick. I will have to find it and look it up.

Ed
>Ed
>  
>
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It's DOC'd in MVS Installation Exits, but the example given is poorly 
written.



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Re: WTO Alternative using HLASM

[Rick Fochtman]

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From: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) 
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Sent: Thu, April 1, 2010 11:51:26 AM
Subject: Re: WTO Alternative using HLASM

In <432460.39432...@web54606.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, on 03/29/2010
  at 09:42 PM, Ed Gould  said:

 


I cannot for the life of me remember the IBM module name that provides
this maybe someone can pipe up here and remind me of the name.
   



IEFYS?
SNIP-
I am pretty sure that is correct. Now for the 10 dollar question where is it 
documented?

Ed
 


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It's DOC'd in MVS Installation Exits, but the example given is poorly 
written.


Rick

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Re: WTO Alternative using HLASM

[Ed Gould]

From: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) 
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Sent: Thu, April 1, 2010 11:51:26 AM
Subject: Re: WTO Alternative using HLASM

In <432460.39432...@web54606.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, on 03/29/2010
   at 09:42 PM, Ed Gould  said:

>I cannot for the life of me remember the IBM module name that provides
>this maybe someone can pipe up here and remind me of the name.

IEFYS?
SNIP-
I am pretty sure that is correct. Now for the 10 dollar question where is it 
documented?

Ed




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Re: WTO Alternative using HLASM

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <432460.39432...@web54606.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, on 03/29/2010
   at 09:42 PM, Ed Gould  said:

>I cannot for the life of me remember the IBM module name that provides
>this maybe someone can pipe up here and remind me of the name.

IEFYS?
 
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Re: WTO Alternative using HLASM

[Rick Fochtman]

Ed, the module name is IEFYS, from SYS1.AOSB3. If anyone wants to look 
at its usage, they can have a copy of my IEFACTRT exit, which uses it to 
write messages to JOBLOG without the use of WTO processing. The exit is 
free to anyone that wants to play with it; no strings attached. Contact 
me via private E-Mail for a ZIP'ed copy, in ASCII text.


Rick


--SNIP

Wayne:

Not disagreeing but way back when ( I think I got this from Kommand/Pace accounting 
system) There is a "module" (here is the skimpy memory)
that IBM has that you can include into IEFACTRT that you can use to write 
messages to the joblog only ie no WTO or WTL needed).
I would have to look at some code again to find out what the IBM module name is 
but it just plain works. Every once in a while on here you will see a question 
as to why (usually after a system install) that IEFACTRT messages show up on 
the log.

I cannot for the life of me remember the IBM module name that provides this 
maybe someone can pipe up here and remind me of the name.

Ed


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Re: WTO Alternative using HLASM

[Juergen Keller]

Wayne,
thats exactly what they do in the DSME-exit:
WTO   TEXT=WMAIN05,LINKAGE=BRANCH,ROUTCDE=&WTO_R,DESC=&WTO_D
The exit runs now for years without any problems.
Juergen

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Re: WTO Alternative using HLASM

[Ed Gould]

From: Wayne Driscoll 
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Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 12:39:14 PM
Subject: Re: WTO Alternative using HLASM

Chris,
While Conrad is correct that you cannot issue SVC's in the DSME exits, as 
Binyamin Dissen noted in his reply, WTO has a LINKAGE=BRANCH entry which 
can be issued in SRB mode, so the product Juergen mentioned may not be "
defective goods" because they most likely obey the rules, and use branch 
entry WTO in the exits.

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--SNIP

Wayne:

Not disagreeing but way back when ( I think I got this from Kommand/Pace 
accounting system) There is a "module" (here is the skimpy memory)
that IBM has that you can include into IEFACTRT that you can use to write 
messages to the joblog only ie no WTO or WTL needed).
I would have to look at some code again to find out what the IBM module name is 
but it just plain works. Every once in a while on here you will see a question 
as to why (usually after a system install) that IEFACTRT messages show up on 
the log.

I cannot for the life of me remember the IBM module name that provides this 
maybe someone can pipe up here and remind me of the name.

Ed




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Re: WTO Alternative using HLASM

[Rick Fochtman]

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We bought an exit from IBM and it uses WTOs.
   



If this is an USERVAR exit or a DSME exit, you have bought defective goods. 
Perhaps you can reclaim from your credit card company!
 



Not true. If you're in SRB mode, you can use a branch entry form of 
WTO.  BTDT with IEFU84 exits.


Rick

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Re: WTO Alternative using HLASM

[W. Kevin Kelley]

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:01:49 -0500, Chris Mason 
 wrote:

>Initially I used
>WTO but that was such a mess on the console that I changed all the WTOs
>to WTLs ("write to log" - is that an official macro or did I just create one
>wrapped around the SVC?).
>

Chris,

Just a comment -- we strongly discourage use of WTL because it puts an 
unformatted message into the SYSLOG/OPERLOG. Use WTO with the hardcopy-
only option set -- that way, it'll get put into the logs with the standard 
timestamp, system ID etc.

W. Kevin Kelley -- IBM POK Lab -- z/OS Core Technical Development

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Re: WTO Alternative using HLASM

[Wayne Driscoll]

Chris,
While Conrad is correct that you cannot issue SVC's in the DSME exits, as 
Binyamin Dissen noted in his reply, WTO has a LINKAGE=BRANCH entry which 
can be issued in SRB mode, so the product Juergen mentioned may not be "
defective goods" because they most likely obey the rules, and use branch 
entry WTO in the exits.

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wdrisco(AT)us.ibm.com
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Juergen

When Conrad first posted, I noted it was a VTAM topic so I checked the 
Communications Server SNA Customization manual.

> why is it not allowed to use WTOs in DSME-Exit?

You will find the following line in the "Design requirements" section for 
each 
exit:



Do not issue any SVCs if this exit routine is running in SRB mode.



Well, now, the question now arises as to whether or not the exit runs in 
SRB 
mode, does it not?

It turns out that only the USERVAR - most of the time - and DSME exits are 

documented as running in SRB mode.

Thus Conrad has done his "due diligence" with respect to the DSME exit.

> We bought an exit from IBM and it uses WTOs.

If this is an USERVAR exit or a DSME exit, you have bought defective 
goods. 
Perhaps you can reclaim from your credit card company!

> So it (WTO) can be used.

Not officially if the exit you acquired is the USERVAR exit or the DSME 
exit.

-

Actually, long ago when I had my education systems with which to play, I 
wrote up all of the VTAM exits which existed at the time. Mostly what I 
did 
was extract the information which is presented to the exits. Initially I 
used 
WTO but that was such a mess on the console that I changed all the WTOs 
to WTLs ("write to log" - is that an official macro or did I just create 
one 
wrapped around the SVC?).

I believe I must have indulged in this exercise before the DSME exit was 
available and so I can't comment on whether or not it might work - but 
unofficially - and certainly not in a *production* system - if you want to 
be 
supported ...

Chris Mason

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 23:58:49 -0500, Juergen Keller 
 wrote:

>hello Conrad,
>why is it not allowed to use WTOs in DSME-Exit? We bought an exit from 
IBM
>and it uses WTOs. So it can be used.
>regards Juergen

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Re: WTO Alternative using HLASM

[Chris Mason]

Juergen

When Conrad first posted, I noted it was a VTAM topic so I checked the 
Communications Server SNA Customization manual.

> why is it not allowed to use WTOs in DSME-Exit?

You will find the following line in the "Design requirements" section for each 
exit:



Do not issue any SVCs if this exit routine is running in SRB mode.



Well, now, the question now arises as to whether or not the exit runs in SRB 
mode, does it not?

It turns out that only the USERVAR - most of the time - and DSME exits are 
documented as running in SRB mode.

Thus Conrad has done his "due diligence" with respect to the DSME exit.

> We bought an exit from IBM and it uses WTOs.

If this is an USERVAR exit or a DSME exit, you have bought defective goods. 
Perhaps you can reclaim from your credit card company!

> So it (WTO) can be used.

Not officially if the exit you acquired is the USERVAR exit or the DSME exit.

-

Actually, long ago when I had my education systems with which to play, I 
wrote up all of the VTAM exits which existed at the time. Mostly what I did 
was extract the information which is presented to the exits. Initially I used 
WTO but that was such a mess on the console that I changed all the WTOs 
to WTLs ("write to log" - is that an official macro or did I just create one 
wrapped around the SVC?).

I believe I must have indulged in this exercise before the DSME exit was 
available and so I can't comment on whether or not it might work - but 
unofficially - and certainly not in a *production* system - if you want to be 
supported ...

Chris Mason

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 23:58:49 -0500, Juergen Keller 
 wrote:

>hello Conrad,
>why is it not allowed to use WTOs in DSME-Exit? We bought an exit from IBM
>and it uses WTOs. So it can be used.
>regards Juergen

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Re: WTO Alternative using HLASM

[Juergen Keller]

hello Conrad,
why is it not allowed to use WTOs in DSME-Exit? We bought an exit from IBM 
and it uses WTOs. So it can be used.
regards Juergen

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Re: WTO Alternative using HLASM

[Binyamin Dissen]

On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:54:33 -0500 Conrad Sanders 
wrote:

:>I am coding a DSME exit for VTAM and SVC's are not allowed to be used.  Is 
there an alternative way using a HLASM instruction to get something to display 
to the operator console?

WTO has a branch entry.

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