Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
IIRC, the DIRF bit was implemented because of a problem in DADSM causing overlapping tracks on 2314 volumes in a shared DASD environment with 2 controllers (2314 & 2844). I was playing systems programmer at NIH in the late '60s thru the early '80s and we ran into the problem with horrific results. We were fortunate to have, as a result of a SEV-1 incident, some of the best DASDM folks on-site for several weeks trying to reproduce/trap the situation. These folks implemented the first version of DIRF, to serialize updating of the F5 stuff. I believe this was known as the "ping-pong" problem. I have remained close friends with two of these folks (long since retired from IBM). On 5/11/07, Mark H. Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2007 10:42:18 -0400, John Eells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The IBM Jargon Dictionary confirms my recollection that it came >from "Change Label Information Program." > >http://www.comlay.net/ibmjarg.pdf > >-- >John Eells >z/OS Technical Marketing >IBM Poughkeepsie >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > That IBM *jargon dictionary* is GREAT. But it lacks one important def from *back-in-the-day* DIRF bit = DASDM Interrupt Recording Facility bit Anyone remember that one?! Looks like a revision is in order?! ...mhyI -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However - a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
I haven't looked lately; does it contain the noun "RAX" ?? or the 2848 controller and the 2260 display terminal? Michael Stack wrote: I dunno. My personal completeness measure would be the presence of the term GOVRFLB. No particular reason - I just like to pronounce it. Mike At 01:26 PM 5/11/2007 -0500, you wrote: ... That IBM *jargon dictionary* is GREAT. But it lacks one important def from *back-in-the-day* DIRF bit = DASDM Interrupt Recording Facility bit Anyone remember that one?! Looks like a revision is in order?! Michael Stack [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kcats.org -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
At 08:43 PM 5/11/2007 -0500, you wrote: ... I'm sitting here looking at the original CLIP manual, from 40+ years ago, and the title says "Clip/360: Change/Create Label Identification Program For System/360 DASD And Tape" and the authors are identified as J. B. Blomquist and M. J. Franco. Since they wrote the program, and the manual, I'm inclined to accept their title. My bad. I substituted "Information" for "Identification". Mike Michael Stack [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kcats.org -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
I dunno. My personal completeness measure would be the presence of the term GOVRFLB. No particular reason - I just like to pronounce it. Mike At 01:26 PM 5/11/2007 -0500, you wrote: ... That IBM *jargon dictionary* is GREAT. But it lacks one important def from *back-in-the-day* DIRF bit = DASDM Interrupt Recording Facility bit Anyone remember that one?! Looks like a revision is in order?! Michael Stack [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kcats.org -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
- Hey Rick, I sent you an email offline earlier about getting a copy of the source code. Or was that next to: (available on request) just for S&G's? (Giggles or Grins?). --- Being retired and only doing infrequent consulting work, I don't watch my E-Mail as closely as some of our other friends here. Should be in your In-Basket by now. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
- --- IBM Jargon Dictionary notwithstanding, I recall the title of the program as Change/Create Label Information Program. - According to the source code (available on request), the only NEW label it will write is on a tape; on DASD devices, it will only UPDATE an existing label. I was taught theat CLIP meant CHANGE LABEL IN PLACE. Hey Rick, I sent you an email offline earlier about getting a copy of the source code. Or was that next to: (available on request) just for S&G's? (Giggles or Grins?). - I'm sitting here looking at the original CLIP manual, from 40+ years ago, and the title says "Clip/360: Change/Create Label Identification Program For System/360 DASD And Tape" and the authors are identified as J. B. Blomquist and M. J. Franco. Since they wrote the program, and the manual, I'm inclined to accept their title. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
Rick Fochtman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I was taught theat CLIP meant CHANGE LABEL IN PLACE. "IN PLACE" as opposed to what? Unmounting the 2314 and using a Sharpie? Whoever taught you that made it up and hadn't thought it thru, methinks... "IN PLACE" as opposed to reformatting (and thus erasing) the Volume. The way the Volume got its VOLSER in the first place was by Formatting it (at least by writing a VTOC). CLIP allowed the VOL Record to be updated without touching anything else on the Volume. --- Not the volume; only the the first track of the first cylinder. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: COBOL gets no respect from IBM was Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
-- COBOL is not dead; it's just on extended life support. Heck, I wrote my first COBOL programme in 20+ years, six months ago. I was showing our application developers (COBOL programmers) hoiw to exploit an API. Don't feel bad; I never learned COBOL at all. Went directly from FORTRAN and PL/1 to Assembler coding, back in 1970, with a VERY SHORT stop in RPG. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
At 07:59 -0400 on 05/11/2007, Phil Smith III wrote about Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?: Rick Fochtman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I was taught theat CLIP meant CHANGE LABEL IN PLACE. "IN PLACE" as opposed to what? Unmounting the 2314 and using a Sharpie? Whoever taught you that made it up and hadn't thought it thru, methinks... "IN PLACE" as opposed to reformatting (and thus erasing) the Volume. The way the Volume got its VOLSER in the first place was by Formatting it (at least by writing a VTOC). CLIP allowed the VOL Record to be updated without touching anything else on the Volume. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
On Thu, 10 May 2007 15:30:29 -0500, Rick Fochtman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >--- >IBM Jargon Dictionary notwithstanding, I recall the title of the program >as Change/Create Label Information Program. >- >According to the source code (available on request), the only NEW >label it will write is on a tape; on DASD devices, it will only UPDATE >an existing label. > >I was taught theat CLIP meant CHANGE LABEL IN PLACE. > Hey Rick, I sent you an email offline earlier about getting a copy of the source code. Or was that next to: (available on request) just for S&G's? (Giggles or Grins?). THANX, Mark -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
Sure set it on and recompute free space for a new format 5? Bill From: "Mark H. Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Where did the term "clip" come from? Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 13:26:30 -0500 On Thu, 10 May 2007 10:42:18 -0400, John Eells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The IBM Jargon Dictionary confirms my recollection that it came >from "Change Label Information Program." > >http://www.comlay.net/ibmjarg.pdf > >-- >John Eells >z/OS Technical Marketing >IBM Poughkeepsie >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > That IBM *jargon dictionary* is GREAT. But it lacks one important def from *back-in-the-day* DIRF bit = DASDM Interrupt Recording Facility bit Anyone remember that one?! Looks like a revision is in order?! ...mhyI -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. Its free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_MAY07 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
On Fri, 11 May 2007 11:50:27 EDT, IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Then there was DITTO - DOS Inter-file something-or-other Transfer >Operations (I think). > >Bill Fairchild >Plainfield, IL > Data Interfile Transfer, Testing, and Operations. ?? Sound about right?! ...mhyI -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
On Thu, 10 May 2007 10:42:18 -0400, John Eells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The IBM Jargon Dictionary confirms my recollection that it came >from "Change Label Information Program." > >http://www.comlay.net/ibmjarg.pdf > >-- >John Eells >z/OS Technical Marketing >IBM Poughkeepsie >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > That IBM *jargon dictionary* is GREAT. But it lacks one important def from *back-in-the-day* DIRF bit = DASDM Interrupt Recording Facility bit Anyone remember that one?! Looks like a revision is in order?! ...mhyI -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: COBOL gets no respect from IBM was Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
>>COBOL is not highly regarded in IBM; few people in IBM choose to program in >>the language. Yes, BUT. IBM better darn well diddly dad burn better continue to support it. I know many companies that live and die based on COBOL code. Banks, especially in Canada. The University of Waterloo stopped making COBOL a requirement for CO-OP students in 1990. It used to be a requirement for their first semester (regardless of stream). All the Class A banks stopped hiring them for work-terms. COBOL is not dead; it's just on extended life support. Heck, I wrote my first COBOL programme in 20+ years, six months ago. I was showing our application developers (COBOL programmers) hoiw to exploit an API. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
COBOL gets no respect from IBM was Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
On 10 May 2007 08:54:33 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of John Eells >> >> The IBM Jargon Dictionary confirms my recollection that it >> came from "Change Label Information Program." >> >> http://www.comlay.net/ibmjarg.pdf > >Neat book! > >Here's one from there of possible interest to Bill Klein and "COBOLers": > >COBOL programmer n. A person whose experience >is limited to commercial applications programming. >This term, now rare, had negative connotations. >COBOL is not highly regarded in IBM; few people >in IBM choose to program in the language. > That explains why they are so brain dead as to not understand the need for native IEEE floating point, the other data types that became standard for COBOL with the 2002 standard such as USAGE BIT, and the need for a 64 bit mode to interoperate with the other 64 bit modules. Of course if they supported all of the data types in the new standard, they would have no excuse for lacking a mechanism to produce SMF record descriptions from Assembler or PL/X descriptions. >-jc- > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
According to the "IBM Jargon and General Computing Dictionary", Tenth Edition, preface signed: Mike Cowlishaw (MFC at VENTA) IBM UK Laboratories, Hursley Park, Winchester, UK The following is the definition of CLIP: CLIP (klip) v. To change the (magnetic) pack label on a DASD volume (disk pack). The term CLIP stood for Change Label Information Program. Usually IPL'd from cards, this program not only changed the serial number but also other items in the volume label area. These other capabilities were seldom used, so CLIPping became synonymous with changing the volume serial number. Here is the link if anyone is interested: http://www.comlay.net/ibmjarg.pdf Chuck -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of (IBM Mainframe Discussion List) Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 10:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Where did the term "clip" come from? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
My experience was that people used gummy labels on removeable disks and boy did they do a number on the disk and drives when they heated up and started flying around. Bill From: "Mark H. Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Where did the term "clip" come from? Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:11:16 -0500 On Fri, 11 May 2007 07:59:26 -0400, Phil Smith III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Rick Fochtman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>I was taught theat CLIP meant CHANGE LABEL IN PLACE. > >"IN PLACE" as opposed to what? Unmounting the 2314 and using a Sharpie? Whoever taught you that made it up and hadn't thought it thru, methinks... > >...phsiii > And here I was gonna make a snide comment about Sharpie markers not being around when 2314's were in use. Then I thought better and looked it up first on wikipedia, before I opened my mouth and inserted my foot. Sharpies were first introduced in 1964, so I stand corrected..er.um.well, I *sit* corrected.how 'bout that?! And if not a 2314, what about a 3330?! Sorta the same difference, ay?! .mhy -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? Youll love Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_outlook_0507 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
In a message dated 5/11/2007 10:24:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >No, I think it was because a DASD label could be UPDATED IN PLACE, as opposed to CREATED. You either create a volume label on the label track when there is no label record there in the first place, or else there is one already on the track and you change its contents. You used IEHDASDR way back then (I think) to create one, and CLIP to change one that already existed. You could also use IEHDASDR to change the volume serial in place (if it already existed on the label track), but then you could call the process "recreate label in place" or "change label in place". IEHDASDR probably did not care about the pre-existence of a volume label. The CLIP software would not create one if one was not already there. Since most shops had many mountable DASD drives, CLIPping was done often. Today we use ICKDSF, which will create a volume label or verify the previous existence and contents of one and then change its contents. I think the only way to know exactly for what CLIP was the acronym is to ask the original author, whose identity I don't know. Reminds me of the de-acronyming of another useful utility from those days known as DEBE. My memory is that it stood for "Does Everything But Eat", indicating its extreme usefulness. Then there was DITTO - DOS Inter-file something-or-other Transfer Operations (I think). Bill Fairchild Plainfield, IL ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
Phil Smith III wrote: Rick Fochtman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I was taught theat CLIP meant CHANGE LABEL IN PLACE. "IN PLACE" as opposed to what? Unmounting the 2314 and using a Sharpie? Whoever taught you that made it up and hadn't thought it thru, methinks... ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html No, I think it was because a DASD label could be UPDATED IN PLACE, as opposed to CREATED. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
>Rick Fochtman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>I was taught theat CLIP meant CHANGE LABEL IN PLACE. > >"IN PLACE" as opposed to what? Unmounting the 2314 and using a Sharpie? Whoever taught you that made it up and hadn't thought it thru, methinks... > >...phsiii > Actually "in place" as opposed to the alternative of building another volume with the desired label on it and copying all the data from the old to the new volume. Rex -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
On Fri, 11 May 2007 07:59:26 -0400, Phil Smith III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Rick Fochtman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>I was taught theat CLIP meant CHANGE LABEL IN PLACE. > >"IN PLACE" as opposed to what? Unmounting the 2314 and using a Sharpie? Whoever taught you that made it up and hadn't thought it thru, methinks... > >...phsiii > And here I was gonna make a snide comment about Sharpie markers not being around when 2314's were in use. Then I thought better and looked it up first on wikipedia, before I opened my mouth and inserted my foot. Sharpies were first introduced in 1964, so I stand corrected..er.um.well, I *sit* corrected.how 'bout that?! And if not a 2314, what about a 3330?! Sorta the same difference, ay?! .mhy -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
Rick Fochtman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I was taught theat CLIP meant CHANGE LABEL IN PLACE. "IN PLACE" as opposed to what? Unmounting the 2314 and using a Sharpie? Whoever taught you that made it up and hadn't thought it thru, methinks... ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
Shane
I detect the assumption that the title "she what must be obeyed" has been
given perhaps a cockney[1] spin. The author of "She (*who* must be obeyed)",
H(enry) Rider Haggard, actually went to a *grammar* school - although he had
quite an aristocratic background. The problem was that his father had run
out of sufficient liquid funds by the time it was his turn to be educated so
he missed going to a fee ("public") school like his elder brothers.
It's thanks to a recent BBC late night program that I'm able to pick up on
this one - always checked with Wikipedia of course - and perhaps helped by
having read "She" at a very young age.
Chris Mason
[1] The dialect of those born within the sound of Bow Bells or, more
generally, Londoners.
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On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 15:30 -0500, Rick Fochtman wrote:
According to the source code ...
You are one twisted individual ... ;-)
Every time I moved house "she what must be obeyed" mandated a clean-out
of my (remaining) old hoardings.
Nothing that old would have survived - even fiche.
Shane ...
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- According to the source code ... You are one twisted individual ... ;-) Every time I moved house "she what must be obeyed" mandated a clean-out of my (remaining) old hoardings. Nothing that old would have survived - even fiche. -- A man doesn't have to be a bigamist to have one wife too many... :-) The only time it was at home was when I was "between positions"; I kept it all on tape, either open reel or cartridge. Nowadays, I burn CD-ROM's or DVD's. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 15:30 -0500, Rick Fochtman wrote: > According to the source code ... You are one twisted individual ... ;-) Every time I moved house "she what must be obeyed" mandated a clean-out of my (remaining) old hoardings. Nothing that old would have survived - even fiche. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
--- IBM Jargon Dictionary notwithstanding, I recall the title of the program as Change/Create Label Information Program. - According to the source code (available on request), the only NEW label it will write is on a tape; on DASD devices, it will only UPDATE an existing label. I was taught theat CLIP meant CHANGE LABEL IN PLACE. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
IBM Jargon Dictionary notwithstanding, I recall the title of the program as Change/Create Label Information Program. Mike At 10:42 AM 5/10/2007 -0400, you wrote: The IBM Jargon Dictionary confirms my recollection that it came from "Change Label Information Program." http://www.comlay.net/ibmjarg.pdf Of course, we use ICKDSF nowadays. Bruce McKnight wrote: Greetings all, Does anyone know where the term "clip" came from? Michael Stack [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kcats.org -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of John Eells > > The IBM Jargon Dictionary confirms my recollection that it > came from "Change Label Information Program." > > http://www.comlay.net/ibmjarg.pdf Neat book! Here's one from there of possible interest to Bill Klein and "COBOLers": COBOL programmer n. A person whose experience is limited to commercial applications programming. This term, now rare, had negative connotations. COBOL is not highly regarded in IBM; few people in IBM choose to program in the language. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where did the term "clip" come from?
The IBM Jargon Dictionary confirms my recollection that it came from "Change Label Information Program." http://www.comlay.net/ibmjarg.pdf Of course, we use ICKDSF nowadays. Bruce McKnight wrote: Greetings all, Does anyone know where the term "clip" came from? -- John Eells z/OS Technical Marketing IBM Poughkeepsie [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
