Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates
Uriel, If you have a tape with multiple datasets; and some datasets are "keep until un-cataloged" and some dataset have simple retention (10 days, 30 days, 180 days, 5 years) with CA-1 the tape will be kept until all files that are "keep until un-cataloged" have been un-cataloged and after that the tape will continue to be kept until the simple-retention for EVERY file on the tape has been reached. There is one big caveat however, and that is if the EXPDT field for the volume record itself is manually changed. If you manually change the EXPDT for file-1 on the tape to today; that tape volume will be expired and it will be scratched when TMSCLEAN run tonight. So, a manual update will override the basic processing of CA-1 retention policies. If you have any follow-up questions, please feel free to contact CA-1 L1 support. They would be happy to answer any of your retention questions. Russell Witt L2 Support Manager -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Uriel Carrasquilla Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates Let's say I have a tape with multiple datasets inside. Some datasets may be catalogued, some may not. I can understand the once not catalogued when they expire they no longer hold the tape from going to the scratch pool. But what about those cases when the catalogued datasets hit their expiration date? what happens? am I also correct in assuming that the entire tape with all the stacked datasets is being held until the last dataset in it expires? Please share your thoughts. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates
CA1 options are in PPOPTION(TMOOPT00) You can have CA1, for example, delay the actual scratch of an uncatalogued volume. There are many other changes you can make there, including whether you use immediate scratch or require the TMSCLEAN to run. HTH, Linda - Original Message - From: "Uriel Carrasquilla" To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:33:56 AM Subject: Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates OK, I found out that we run the clean and scratch right after mid-night. Thank you. I also found out how to use the EXPDT by using YYY/J-DAY. Thank you all for your response. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] on behalf of McKown, John [john.mck...@healthmarkets.com] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 11:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates The status does not change until you run a CA-1 maintenance job. It is not "real time". -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Uriel Carrasquilla > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:10 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates > > Forgot to mention, yes, I am using CA-1. > I ran a GENER to copy to output file on our VTL (UNIT=V3590) > with a LABEL=EXPDT=99000 with a DISP to CATLG if successful. > It ran OK and put the dataset (no stacking) into VOL=SER=682436. > Then, via ISPF TMS, I checked the volume and it shows the > expiration date with the CATALOG description. > Then, I went to ISPF 3.2 and uncatalogued the dataset. > TMS still has the same information with the expiration date > set to CATALOG. > I was expecting to see "SCRATCH" instead. > is this normal? > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] on > behalf of Jonathan Goossen [jonathan.goos...@assurant.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:23 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates > > The answer likely varies by the TMS in use. > > CA-1 will keep the tape until every dataset on it is expired. > This can be > confusing as the volume record is also the first file on the > tape. CA-1 > will adjust its expiration to be equal the highest on the tape. If you > manually expire the first file (volume record) then the > entire tape will > scratch regardless of the expiration of the rest of the > files. That is one > reason that I am very carful about changing the expiration of volume > records. > > In CA-1 there is an expiration called CATALOG. It will expire the file > when it is no longer cataloged. If a cataloged tape file has a Julian > expiration, then uncataloging the file will not affect > expiration. But > scratching the tape will uncatalog the file. > > Thank you and have a Terrific day! > > Jonathan Goossen, DTM > ACT Mainframe Storage Group > Personal: 651-361-4541 > Department Support Line: 651-361- > For help with communication and leadership skills checkout Woodwinds > Toastmasters > > IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on > 03/29/2012 > 08:51:19 AM: > > > From: Uriel Carrasquilla > > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > > Date: 03/29/2012 08:52 AM > > Subject: Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates > > Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > > > Let's say I have a tape with multiple datasets inside. > > Some datasets may be catalogued, some may not. > > I can understand the once not catalogued when they expire they no > > longer hold the tape from going to the scratch pool. > > But what about those cases when the catalogued datasets hit their > > expiration date? what happens? > > am I also correct in assuming that the entire tape with all the > > stacked datasets is being held un
Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates
OK, I found out that we run the clean and scratch right after mid-night. Thank you. I also found out how to use the EXPDT by using YYY/J-DAY. Thank you all for your response. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] on behalf of McKown, John [john.mck...@healthmarkets.com] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 11:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates The status does not change until you run a CA-1 maintenance job. It is not "real time". -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Uriel Carrasquilla > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:10 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates > > Forgot to mention, yes, I am using CA-1. > I ran a GENER to copy to output file on our VTL (UNIT=V3590) > with a LABEL=EXPDT=99000 with a DISP to CATLG if successful. > It ran OK and put the dataset (no stacking) into VOL=SER=682436. > Then, via ISPF TMS, I checked the volume and it shows the > expiration date with the CATALOG description. > Then, I went to ISPF 3.2 and uncatalogued the dataset. > TMS still has the same information with the expiration date > set to CATALOG. > I was expecting to see "SCRATCH" instead. > is this normal? > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] on > behalf of Jonathan Goossen [jonathan.goos...@assurant.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:23 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates > > The answer likely varies by the TMS in use. > > CA-1 will keep the tape until every dataset on it is expired. > This can be > confusing as the volume record is also the first file on the > tape. CA-1 > will adjust its expiration to be equal the highest on the tape. If you > manually expire the first file (volume record) then the > entire tape will > scratch regardless of the expiration of the rest of the > files. That is one > reason that I am very carful about changing the expiration of volume > records. > > In CA-1 there is an expiration called CATALOG. It will expire the file > when it is no longer cataloged. If a cataloged tape file has a Julian > expiration, then uncataloging the file will not affect > expiration. But > scratching the tape will uncatalog the file. > > Thank you and have a Terrific day! > > Jonathan Goossen, DTM > ACT Mainframe Storage Group > Personal: 651-361-4541 > Department Support Line: 651-361- > For help with communication and leadership skills checkout Woodwinds > Toastmasters > > IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on > 03/29/2012 > 08:51:19 AM: > > > From: Uriel Carrasquilla > > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > > Date: 03/29/2012 08:52 AM > > Subject: Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates > > Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > > > Let's say I have a tape with multiple datasets inside. > > Some datasets may be catalogued, some may not. > > I can understand the once not catalogued when they expire they no > > longer hold the tape from going to the scratch pool. > > But what about those cases when the catalogued datasets hit their > > expiration date? what happens? > > am I also correct in assuming that the entire tape with all the > > stacked datasets is being held until the last dataset in it expires? > > Please share your thoughts. > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may > contain legally privileged and/or confidential information intended > solely for the use of the addressee(s). If the reader of this > message is not the inten
Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates
The status does not change until you run a CA-1 maintenance job. It is not "real time". -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Uriel Carrasquilla > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:10 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates > > Forgot to mention, yes, I am using CA-1. > I ran a GENER to copy to output file on our VTL (UNIT=V3590) > with a LABEL=EXPDT=99000 with a DISP to CATLG if successful. > It ran OK and put the dataset (no stacking) into VOL=SER=682436. > Then, via ISPF TMS, I checked the volume and it shows the > expiration date with the CATALOG description. > Then, I went to ISPF 3.2 and uncatalogued the dataset. > TMS still has the same information with the expiration date > set to CATALOG. > I was expecting to see "SCRATCH" instead. > is this normal? > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] on > behalf of Jonathan Goossen [jonathan.goos...@assurant.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:23 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates > > The answer likely varies by the TMS in use. > > CA-1 will keep the tape until every dataset on it is expired. > This can be > confusing as the volume record is also the first file on the > tape. CA-1 > will adjust its expiration to be equal the highest on the tape. If you > manually expire the first file (volume record) then the > entire tape will > scratch regardless of the expiration of the rest of the > files. That is one > reason that I am very carful about changing the expiration of volume > records. > > In CA-1 there is an expiration called CATALOG. It will expire the file > when it is no longer cataloged. If a cataloged tape file has a Julian > expiration, then uncataloging the file will not affect > expiration. But > scratching the tape will uncatalog the file. > > Thank you and have a Terrific day! > > Jonathan Goossen, DTM > ACT Mainframe Storage Group > Personal: 651-361-4541 > Department Support Line: 651-361- > For help with communication and leadership skills checkout Woodwinds > Toastmasters > > IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on > 03/29/2012 > 08:51:19 AM: > > > From: Uriel Carrasquilla > > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > > Date: 03/29/2012 08:52 AM > > Subject: Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates > > Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > > > Let's say I have a tape with multiple datasets inside. > > Some datasets may be catalogued, some may not. > > I can understand the once not catalogued when they expire they no > > longer hold the tape from going to the scratch pool. > > But what about those cases when the catalogued datasets hit their > > expiration date? what happens? > > am I also correct in assuming that the entire tape with all the > > stacked datasets is being held until the last dataset in it expires? > > Please share your thoughts. > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may > contain legally privileged and/or confidential information intended > solely for the use of the addressee(s). If the reader of this > message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that > any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, forwarding or > other use of this message or its attachments is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message and all > copies and backups thereof. Thank you. > > -
Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates
I would expect TMS to show 'scratch' status for that tape after running PGM=TMSCLEAN,PARM=(SCRATCHLIST). -Original Message- From: Uriel Carrasquilla [mailto:uriel.carrasqui...@mail.mcgill.ca] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 11:10 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates Forgot to mention, yes, I am using CA-1. I ran a GENER to copy to output file on our VTL (UNIT=V3590) with a LABEL=EXPDT=99000 with a DISP to CATLG if successful. It ran OK and put the dataset (no stacking) into VOL=SER=682436. Then, via ISPF TMS, I checked the volume and it shows the expiration date with the CATALOG description. Then, I went to ISPF 3.2 and uncatalogued the dataset. TMS still has the same information with the expiration date set to CATALOG. I was expecting to see "SCRATCH" instead. is this normal? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] on behalf of Jonathan Goossen [jonathan.goos...@assurant.com] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates The answer likely varies by the TMS in use. CA-1 will keep the tape until every dataset on it is expired. This can be confusing as the volume record is also the first file on the tape. CA-1 will adjust its expiration to be equal the highest on the tape. If you manually expire the first file (volume record) then the entire tape will scratch regardless of the expiration of the rest of the files. That is one reason that I am very carful about changing the expiration of volume records. In CA-1 there is an expiration called CATALOG. It will expire the file when it is no longer cataloged. If a cataloged tape file has a Julian expiration, then uncataloging the file will not affect expiration. But scratching the tape will uncatalog the file. Thank you and have a Terrific day! Jonathan Goossen, DTM ACT Mainframe Storage Group Personal: 651-361-4541 Department Support Line: 651-361- For help with communication and leadership skills checkout Woodwinds Toastmasters IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 03/29/2012 08:51:19 AM: > From: Uriel Carrasquilla > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Date: 03/29/2012 08:52 AM > Subject: Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates Sent > by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > Let's say I have a tape with multiple datasets inside. > Some datasets may be catalogued, some may not. > I can understand the once not catalogued when they expire they no > longer hold the tape from going to the scratch pool. > But what about those cases when the catalogued datasets hit their > expiration date? what happens? > am I also correct in assuming that the entire tape with all the > stacked datasets is being held until the last dataset in it expires? > Please share your thoughts. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, forwarding or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates
Unless you are running with the real time scratch option. It won't expire until TMSCATALOG is run and won't go scratch until TMSCLEAN is run. Thank you and have a Terrific day! Jonathan Goossen, DTM ACT Mainframe Storage Group Personal: 651-361-4541 Department Support Line: 651-361- For help with communication and leadership skills checkout Woodwinds Toastmasters IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 03/29/2012 10:09:44 AM: > From: Uriel Carrasquilla > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Date: 03/29/2012 10:10 AM > Subject: Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates > Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > Forgot to mention, yes, I am using CA-1. > I ran a GENER to copy to output file on our VTL (UNIT=V3590) with a > LABEL=EXPDT=99000 with a DISP to CATLG if successful. > It ran OK and put the dataset (no stacking) into VOL=SER=682436. > Then, via ISPF TMS, I checked the volume and it shows the expiration > date with the CATALOG description. > Then, I went to ISPF 3.2 and uncatalogued the dataset. > TMS still has the same information with the expiration date set to CATALOG. > I was expecting to see "SCRATCH" instead. > is this normal? > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] on behalf > of Jonathan Goossen [jonathan.goos...@assurant.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:23 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates > > The answer likely varies by the TMS in use. > > CA-1 will keep the tape until every dataset on it is expired. This can be > confusing as the volume record is also the first file on the tape. CA-1 > will adjust its expiration to be equal the highest on the tape. If you > manually expire the first file (volume record) then the entire tape will > scratch regardless of the expiration of the rest of the files. That is one > reason that I am very carful about changing the expiration of volume > records. > > In CA-1 there is an expiration called CATALOG. It will expire the file > when it is no longer cataloged. If a cataloged tape file has a Julian > expiration, then uncataloging the file will not affect expiration. But > scratching the tape will uncatalog the file. > > Thank you and have a Terrific day! > > Jonathan Goossen, DTM > ACT Mainframe Storage Group > Personal: 651-361-4541 > Department Support Line: 651-361- > For help with communication and leadership skills checkout Woodwinds > Toastmasters > > IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 03/29/2012 > 08:51:19 AM: > > > From: Uriel Carrasquilla > > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > > Date: 03/29/2012 08:52 AM > > Subject: Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates > > Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > > > Let's say I have a tape with multiple datasets inside. > > Some datasets may be catalogued, some may not. > > I can understand the once not catalogued when they expire they no > > longer hold the tape from going to the scratch pool. > > But what about those cases when the catalogued datasets hit their > > expiration date? what happens? > > am I also correct in assuming that the entire tape with all the > > stacked datasets is being held until the last dataset in it expires? > > Please share your thoughts. > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may > contain legally privileged and/or confidential information intended > solely for the use of the addressee(s). If the reader of this > message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that > any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, forwarding or > other use of this message or its attachments is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message and all > copies and backups thereof. Thank you. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information intended so
Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates
Forgot to mention, yes, I am using CA-1. I ran a GENER to copy to output file on our VTL (UNIT=V3590) with a LABEL=EXPDT=99000 with a DISP to CATLG if successful. It ran OK and put the dataset (no stacking) into VOL=SER=682436. Then, via ISPF TMS, I checked the volume and it shows the expiration date with the CATALOG description. Then, I went to ISPF 3.2 and uncatalogued the dataset. TMS still has the same information with the expiration date set to CATALOG. I was expecting to see "SCRATCH" instead. is this normal? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] on behalf of Jonathan Goossen [jonathan.goos...@assurant.com] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates The answer likely varies by the TMS in use. CA-1 will keep the tape until every dataset on it is expired. This can be confusing as the volume record is also the first file on the tape. CA-1 will adjust its expiration to be equal the highest on the tape. If you manually expire the first file (volume record) then the entire tape will scratch regardless of the expiration of the rest of the files. That is one reason that I am very carful about changing the expiration of volume records. In CA-1 there is an expiration called CATALOG. It will expire the file when it is no longer cataloged. If a cataloged tape file has a Julian expiration, then uncataloging the file will not affect expiration. But scratching the tape will uncatalog the file. Thank you and have a Terrific day! Jonathan Goossen, DTM ACT Mainframe Storage Group Personal: 651-361-4541 Department Support Line: 651-361- For help with communication and leadership skills checkout Woodwinds Toastmasters IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 03/29/2012 08:51:19 AM: > From: Uriel Carrasquilla > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Date: 03/29/2012 08:52 AM > Subject: Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates > Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > Let's say I have a tape with multiple datasets inside. > Some datasets may be catalogued, some may not. > I can understand the once not catalogued when they expire they no > longer hold the tape from going to the scratch pool. > But what about those cases when the catalogued datasets hit their > expiration date? what happens? > am I also correct in assuming that the entire tape with all the > stacked datasets is being held until the last dataset in it expires? > Please share your thoughts. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, forwarding or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates
The answer likely varies by the TMS in use. CA-1 will keep the tape until every dataset on it is expired. This can be confusing as the volume record is also the first file on the tape. CA-1 will adjust its expiration to be equal the highest on the tape. If you manually expire the first file (volume record) then the entire tape will scratch regardless of the expiration of the rest of the files. That is one reason that I am very carful about changing the expiration of volume records. In CA-1 there is an expiration called CATALOG. It will expire the file when it is no longer cataloged. If a cataloged tape file has a Julian expiration, then uncataloging the file will not affect expiration. But scratching the tape will uncatalog the file. Thank you and have a Terrific day! Jonathan Goossen, DTM ACT Mainframe Storage Group Personal: 651-361-4541 Department Support Line: 651-361- For help with communication and leadership skills checkout Woodwinds Toastmasters IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 03/29/2012 08:51:19 AM: > From: Uriel Carrasquilla > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Date: 03/29/2012 08:52 AM > Subject: Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates > Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > Let's say I have a tape with multiple datasets inside. > Some datasets may be catalogued, some may not. > I can understand the once not catalogued when they expire they no > longer hold the tape from going to the scratch pool. > But what about those cases when the catalogued datasets hit their > expiration date? what happens? > am I also correct in assuming that the entire tape with all the > stacked datasets is being held until the last dataset in it expires? > Please share your thoughts. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, forwarding or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates
Which tape management system? With CA-1, a tape is returned to the scratch pool when every dataset on the tape expires. If the tape is SMS managed, then the CA-1 system communicates to OAM to expire the tape to SMS. OAM then communicates to our VTS/ATL to set that volume to SCRATCH status in the tape library. When CA-1 expires a dataset on a tape, part of the process, at least as we have it set up, is to uncatalog the dataset name - assuming the dataset is catalogued on the given tape volume. I don't know how DFSMSrmm does its expiration processing. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Uriel Carrasquilla > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:51 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates > > Let's say I have a tape with multiple datasets inside. > Some datasets may be catalogued, some may not. > I can understand the once not catalogued when they expire > they no longer hold the tape from going to the scratch pool. > But what about those cases when the catalogued datasets hit > their expiration date? what happens? > am I also correct in assuming that the entire tape with all > the stacked datasets is being held until the last dataset in > it expires? > Please share your thoughts. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: catalogued datasets in tapes and expiration dates
Let's say I have a tape with multiple datasets inside. Some datasets may be catalogued, some may not. I can understand the once not catalogued when they expire they no longer hold the tape from going to the scratch pool. But what about those cases when the catalogued datasets hit their expiration date? what happens? am I also correct in assuming that the entire tape with all the stacked datasets is being held until the last dataset in it expires? Please share your thoughts. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
