Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay - Update
Here is the e-bay details with pictures and configuration http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-e-SERVER-zSERIES-890-2086-A04-MAINFRAME- COMPUTER_W0QQitemZ260202032717QQihZ016QQcategoryZ64030QQssPageNa meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay - Update
It seems that there is more to this story. http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do? command=viewArticleBasicarticleId=9060281intsrc=hm_list -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:29:39 -0600, Darren Evans-Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... It's amazing how a post degenerates into a wild rumour. (not your post Shmuel) ... Actually, this thread started in a pretty degenerate state - asking about rehosting IBM-Main. Our own FUD added UA dropping us?. IBM-MAIN isn't going anywhere. UA is not dropping us. The only place I've heard this, is this list! Thank you for killing the rumor. (Let's hope it stays dead.) Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay
On 19 Jan 2008 03:36:04 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (R.S.) wrote: I wonder why people get excited about z890 on eBay. Second hand equipment is widely available, although not on aBay. The prices for z/8xx are reasonably low, I heard about $10k for z/800 with CPs. But excited they do become. Looks like that z890 sold for $40k to packman3. Eric -- Eric Chevalier E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.tulsagrammer.com Is that call really worth your child's life? HANG UP AND DRIVE! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/18/2008 at 02:15 PM, Thomas Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Okay, Then I will gladly be your z/VM sysprog. My experience on the 'dark side' goes back to June 23, 1976 when I first logged onto a virtual machine. I'm a TSO bigot from way bac,, and I would *NEVER* refer to VM as the dark side. In fact, there are VM0 facilities, e.g., XEDIT, that I would love to see in MVS. I agree that z/VM makes more sense than z/OS if all that you're doing is hosting LISTSERV, but unless someone is paying for the processor, environmentals and peripherals Linux on an AMD would seem to make more sense than either. Are we losing our hosting? If not, why discuss options for a new host? I've heard nothing about UA dropping us. Yes, Darren has retired, but he's still willing to put in time for the list. If there is a need to move, it's his opinions that matter most, and I haven't read anything from him suggesting that it's necessary, or even that he's been consulted. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: Are we losing our hosting? If not, why discuss options for a new host? I've heard nothing about UA dropping us. Yes, Darren has retired, but he's still willing to put in time for the list. If there is a need to move, it's his opinions that matter most, and I haven't read anything from him suggesting that it's necessary, or even that he's been consulted. It's amazing how a post degenerates into a wild rumour. (not your post Shmuel) IBM-MAIN isn't going anywhere. UA is not dropping us. The only place I've heard this, is this list! I have retired from my Unix Sys Admin position. I still receive a check from UA for my teaching the Computer-Based Honors Program. So, I'm not going anywhere either! Geez! Darren -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay
My question is: If you have two z890s, A with 1 CP and 1 IFL and B with 2 IFL, then in a disaster where A is under a pile of rubble, can you get IBM to turn on a CP and an IFL in B and still pay the same price for z/OS z/VM? Yes, although it's a good idea to contract for that in advance using CBU (Capacity Backup) in order to be able to turn on that disaster recovery capacity promptly. - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay
If I recall from the marketing, you only 'buy' an IFL once and when you upgrade your IFL's are already paid for. Now if I can pick up this 2 IFL box for $10-20K can I just have IBM turn on 2 IFL's on my z990 and just trash the z890? No, I don't think so. You will then own two z890 IFLs. BUT, whenever you're ready to upgrade/consolidate to z9 or beyond, things may get more interesting. - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay
I wonder why people get excited about z890 on eBay. Second hand equipment is widely available, although not on aBay. The prices for z/8xx are reasonably low, I heard about $10k for z/800 with CPs. You can run any system on it, including z/OS. Also, you can buy DASD boxes, sometimes for peanuts. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2007 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci opacony) wynosi 118.064.140 z. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchwa XVI WZ z dnia 21.05.2003 r., kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 118.760.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay
My question is: If you have two z890s, A with 1 CP and 1 IFL and B with 2 IFL, then in a disaster where A is under a pile of rubble, can you get IBM to turn on a CP and an IFL in B and still pay the same price for z/OS amp; z/VM? /Tom Kern On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:09:16 +0900, Timothy Sipples [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I recall from the marketing, you only 'buy' an IFL once and when you upgrade your IFL's are already paid for. Now if I can pick up this 2 IFL box for $10-20K can I just have IBM turn on 2 IFL's on my z990 and just trash the z890? No, I don't think so. You will then own two z890 IFLs. BUT, whenever you're ready to upgrade/consolidate to z9 or beyond, things may get more interesting. - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
--snip-- If UA is trying to get rid of IBM-Main then yes, we should help find another home for it, and a z platform would be worth looking at. Otherwise, let's not rock the boat. -unsnip- Best idea I've heard yet. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
tony babonas wrote: Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc. Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue. Why? Isn't bama doing a good enough job? -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:55:24 -0800, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Why? Isn't bama doing a good enough job? ... I'll take Ed's question a step further. I'd say that bama is doing a good job and I'd hate to see this turned over to a bunch amateurs, not matter how well intentioned they are, and no matter how good proof of concept it would be. This forum is too valuable for that. If UA is trying to get rid of IBM-Main then yes, we should help find another home for it, and a z platform would be worth looking at. Otherwise, let's not rock the boat. Bama in general, and Darren in particular, have been doing a very good job. Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
In a message dated 1/18/2008 3:58:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If UA is trying to get rid of IBM-Main then yes, we should help find another home for it, and a z platform would be worth looking at. Otherwise, let's not rock the boat. With next year's anticipated shortfall in general revenues all things will be reviewed. Hopefully, we'll survive unscathed. There have been volunteers to rehost but so far we've managed to keep it pieced together since 1986. Personally I feel it's valuable contribution to our industry and exemplifies the 'Service' in our creed. I know I've learned a lot and been exposed to new ideas and explanations of 'how things work' in numerous facets of our profession. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of tony babonas Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc. I'd think z/VM would be a better choice for a LISTSERVE host.. Especially since Listserv(R) doesn't run on Z/OS (it does run on VM) and even if it did, Z/OS doesn't run on an IFL. Farfetched as it may be, if this does come off I will offer my services as listserv admin (I already run 2 lists). -- Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val, Red, Shasta Casey (RIP), Red Zero, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
-snip-- We would self-moderate unsnip- Right after I shoot down the pig that's circling my chimney!!! :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 14:53 -0600, tony babonas wrote: We would self-moderate Yeah, like THAT's gonna happen. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:53:10 -0600, tony babonas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Continuing to blaspheme, my theory is that zOS should be able to host such an application, labor being provided by a collective of experienced sysprogs. We would self-moderate(after all it's our DASD), self-fund, self-install, self-SMPE. Surely someone has a spare garage or basement to donate. *Snip* You said collective.why bring the BORG into this?! Sorry. It's late on Friday and I'm wired. Couldn't resist. Nevermind -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
Simple philosophy. Over the years we're seen the toy computers undercut most of what we do. We continue to reassure each other on this list that we're the best. Just ask us. We should be able to prove our point. Let's start taking some apps back and awaken the dinosaur. If we can.. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay) tony babonas wrote: Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc. Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue. Why? Isn't bama doing a good enough job? -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.6/1231 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 11:55 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.6/1231 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 11:55 AM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
Okay, Then I will gladly be your z/VM sysprog. My experience on the 'dark side' goes back to June 23, 1976 when I first logged onto a virtual machine. /Tom Kern On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:09:03 -0600, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Thomas Kern You could save some money by running SLES10 and the linux version of LSoft's LISTSERV product. No z/OS or z/VM necessary. But z/VM would provide cheap insurance against outages, especially if multiple lists were hosted (each list could have its own virtual machine, etc.). One z/VM juggling a flock of penguins.. z/OS probably shouldn't even be on the candidate list of hosting platforms. For one, z/OS won't run on IFLs. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 2:18 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], tony babonas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc. Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue. Why not just ask Marist College to take over the list? They already run a bunch of listserv mailing lists on their mainframe. Total cost = $0. Mark Post -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay
If I recall from the marketing, you only 'buy' an IFL once and when you upgrade your IFL's are already paid for. That is correct. Now if I can pick up this 2 IFL box for $10-20K can I just have IBM turn on 2 IFL's on my z990 and just trash the z890? Quite a savings from the list price of $100K+ per IFL. I suspect the answer would be NO. But, you're asking the wrong people. Try asking IBM. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc. Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue. Possible? Would be a great proof of concept. How much would each of us have to pony up? Imagine the possibilities. Maybe IBM, CA, BMC, FDR et all would be willing to help out. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Porowski Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay Up to $6500 now. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.6/1231 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 11:55 AM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
Bama in general, and Darren in particular, have been doing a very good job. As with any re-hosting discussion, the people involved (which is the most important aspect) have been ignored. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
My experience on the 'dark side' goes back to June 23, 1976 when I first logged onto a virtual machine. I first logged on in September 1976. 1st year course at Uwaterloo. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:18:41 -0600, tony babonas wrote: Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc. Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue. Possible? Would be a great proof of concept. How much would each of us have to pony up? Imagine the possibilities. Maybe IBM, CA, BMC, FDR et all would be willing to help out. You have completely missed the point: the list owner (Darren, in our case) is the true fundamental value to this list. The hardware operating system are meaningless in our context. The site hosting that hardware/OS is providing us with funding (mostly, lately, to enable pointless off-topic meanderings... but I digress) but it is their funding of the list owner's salary that is the real deal. Moving (or even _thinking_ about moving) somewhere else - without Darren - is borderline blasphemy! -- Tom Schmidt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of tony babonas We don't want to do this on the cheap,necessarily. We want to run it all on zOS. No shortage of SYSPROGs:-) z/OS would probably be the worst choice for this purpose. First, you'd have to ditch the IFLs and get regular CPUs.. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay
From 'Clear and Present Danger' Jack Ryan: I'm here to rent the Huey. Helicopter owner: We don't rent it anymore, but it is for sale. Jack Ryan: How much? Helicopter owner: Two million dollars. Jack Ryan: Uh, my pilot and I will have to take it for a test drive. Helicopter owner: Of course, you just have to leave a deposit. Jack Ryan: How much is that? Helicopter owner: Two million dollars. Jack Ryan: Umm... Shows a CIA business card Jack Ryan: Would you take a company check? -Original Message- Chase, John -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ken Porowski Up to $6500 now. If I recall from the marketing, you only 'buy' an IFL once and when you upgrade your IFL's are already paid for. Now if I can pick up this 2 IFL box for $10-20K can I just have IBM turn on 2 IFL's on my z990 and just trash the z890? Quite a savings from the list price of $100K+ per IFL. Hmmm. If you buy IFLs on the open market, don't you have to pay to have them installed, even if you already have the correct physical hardware present but disabled in your existing machine? Or have the open-market machine installed? What's the cost to flip the switch? -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
We don't want to do this on the cheap,necessarily. We want to run it all on zOS. No shortage of SYSPROGs:-) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kern Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay) You could save some money by running SLES10 and the linux version of LSoft's LISTSERV product. No z/OS or z/VM necessary. /Tom Kern On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:18:41 -0600, tony babonas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc. Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue. Possible? Would be a great proof of concept. How much would each of us have to pony up? Imagine the possibilities. Maybe IBM, CA, BMC, FDR et all would be willing to help out. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Porowski Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay Up to $6500 now. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.6/1231 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 11:55 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.6/1231 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 11:55 AM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
In a message dated 1/18/2008 1:18:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Possible? Would be a great proof of concept. How much would each of us have to pony up? $100k/mo would be a good start. Divide that by 4K users and only 20 bucks a month. Nobody has ever voluntered anything for IBM-Main. No hardware, no software, no discounts. Currently runs on SUN and Windows manure spreader. The logical place for it would be IBMlink umbrella but then it probably wouldn't be available quite as much! **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
-snip Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc. Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue. Possible? Would be a great proof of concept. How much would each of us have to pony up? Imagine the possibilities. Maybe IBM, CA, BMC, FDR et all would be willing to help out. ---unsnip- Interesting thought. Also need to consider site selection and planning and operational costs. Come up with power and cooling requirements and I'll run some costs, using spreadsheets I've used for that purpose in the past. If there's an IBMer watching, I'll need the current formulae for converting cooling requirements in air and water to electricity dollars and cents. If there's a site selected, I'll need floor space costs and electricity costs. I got time to do the math; get me the numbers. IIRC, our z/800 cost around $0.40 per hour, not counting floor space rental. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay
Up to $6500 now. If I recall from the marketing, you only 'buy' an IFL once and when you upgrade your IFL's are already paid for. Now if I can pick up this 2 IFL box for $10-20K can I just have IBM turn on 2 IFL's on my z990 and just trash the z890? Quite a savings from the list price of $100K+ per IFL. -Original Message- Dan Squillace Z890 2086-160 w/2 ILFs. Current bid under $1,600. 1 CP - about 200 MIPS 2 IFLs - about 350 MIPS each I am not the seller and have no connection with the seller. I just think this is a great opportunity for the right buyer. http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-e-SERVER-zSERIES-890-2086-A04-MAINFRAME-COMPUTER _W0QQitemZ260202032717QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item260202032717 Dan Squillace Sr. IT Manager, Mainframe Support SAS Institute Inc. Cary, NC USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ken Porowski Up to $6500 now. If I recall from the marketing, you only 'buy' an IFL once and when you upgrade your IFL's are already paid for. Now if I can pick up this 2 IFL box for $10-20K can I just have IBM turn on 2 IFL's on my z990 and just trash the z890? Quite a savings from the list price of $100K+ per IFL. Hmmm. If you buy IFLs on the open market, don't you have to pay to have them installed, even if you already have the correct physical hardware present but disabled in your existing machine? Or have the open-market machine installed? What's the cost to flip the switch? -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
You could save some money by running SLES10 and the linux version of LSoft's LISTSERV product. No z/OS or z/VM necessary. /Tom Kern On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:18:41 -0600, tony babonas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc. Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue. Possible? Would be a great proof of concept. How much would each of us have to pony up? Imagine the possibilities. Maybe IBM, CA, BMC, FDR et all would be willing to help out. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Porowski Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay Up to $6500 now. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of tony babonas Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc. I'd think z/VM would be a better choice for a LISTSERVE host.. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
No z/OS or z/VM necessary. Somebody has gone over to the Dark Side, Luke! - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Thomas Kern You could save some money by running SLES10 and the linux version of LSoft's LISTSERV product. No z/OS or z/VM necessary. But z/VM would provide cheap insurance against outages, especially if multiple lists were hosted (each list could have its own virtual machine, etc.). One z/VM juggling a flock of penguins.. z/OS probably shouldn't even be on the candidate list of hosting platforms. For one, z/OS won't run on IFLs. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
So we take up a collection, buy the z890 and have it shipped to Darren ;-) -Original Message- Tom Schmidt You have completely missed the point: the list owner (Darren, in our case) is the true fundamental value to this list. The hardware operating system are meaningless in our context. The site hosting that hardware/OS is providing us with funding (mostly, lately, to enable pointless off-topic meanderings... but I digress) but it is their funding of the list owner's salary that is the real deal. Moving (or even _thinking_ about moving) somewhere else - without Darren - is borderline blasphemy! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay
Dan, I think 2086-160 is not entirely correct. If I read the specs correctly, it's an IFL machine only as it's been downgraded to a Zero CP Engines machine. Still a nice find though, and really cheap (for the moment). Marc Wambeke Systems Architect Dolmen CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mainframe-watch-belgium.blogspot.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
