Re: Rexx Alternate Library
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:29:36 -0600, Patrick O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:56:33 -0500, Pinnacle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... The Rexx Alternate Library is not SMP/E installable. It has no maintenance, having been functionally stabilized for many years. If there are any bugs, IBM would create a new Web deliverable. ... This seems very odd. The REXX Alternate Library that is (or used to be) shipped with IBM products using compiled REXX was certainly SMP-installable. It was simply another (free) product shipped with the order. Why would a web-deliverable version be any different? The Java web deliverable happens to have both flavors (SMP/E and non-SMP/E), but I guess that wasn't considered to be necessary for the REXX Alternate Library. Remember... this was supposed to be fast and easy for developers. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Rexx Alternate Library
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pinnacle [ snip ] The Rexx Alternate Library is not SMP/E installable. While the standalone Web deliverable is not SMP/E-installable, the REXX Alternate Library does have its own FMID, and if acquired with another product (e.g., Netview) *can be* SMP/E-installable. What bothered me initially is that a product (esp. an IBM product, specifically Rational Developer for System z (RDz) v7r1 Host Component, FMID HHOP710) that purports to *require* it, does not include it in its packaging. HHOP710 requires v1.4.0 of the REXX Alternate Library, but we had v1.3.0 that came with our installed level of Netview. Apparently IBM has decided to package the current REXX Alternate Library with the operating system starting with z/OS 1.9, so situations like ours should be alleviated in the future. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Rexx Alternate Library
Seeing the posts on how people were having problems obtaining the Rexx Alternate Library, I asked the Rexx Compiler group how to get a copy. It is included in the base for z/OS V1R9, but if you're not there, you can grab it at: http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=960uid=swg24006107 They also told me that vendors are free to ship SEAGALT with their compiled Rexx code. Contact me offline if you have any questions or concerns. Regards, Tom Conley Rexx Project Manager, SHARE -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Rexx Alternate Library
Pinnacle wrote: They also told me that vendors are free to ship SEAGALT with their compiled Rexx code. In which publication is the official IBM statement allowing this library to be shipped by ISVs? PK54661 began as an hours-long, fruitless search for a similar official statement regarding LE and other stubs. It turned out that no such statement ever existed! With the help of John Eells and others at IBM, we now have that that official statement and a precedent/example as to how such statements are to be documented for other system components going forward. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Rexx Alternate Library
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:08:10 -0800, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pinnacle wrote: They also told me that vendors are free to ship SEAGALT with their compiled Rexx code. In which publication is the official IBM statement allowing this library to be shipped by ISVs? PK54661 began as an hours-long, fruitless search for a similar official statement regarding LE and other stubs. It turned out that no such statement ever existed! With the help of John Eells and others at IBM, we now have that that official statement and a precedent/example as to how such statements are to be documented for other system components going forward. Ed, From the web page I sent you: The Alternate Library is shipped together with the fee-based program product 5695-014 for z/OS. It is designed for REXX developers who want to distribute REXX compiled products. IBM grants you to package the Alternate Library to your REXX compiled products. The Alternate Library allows customers who do not own the Library for REXX on zSeries (5695-014) to run REXX compiled code. Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Rexx Alternate Library
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:23:46 -0600, Thomas Conley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... It is designed for REXX developers who want to distribute REXX compiled products. IBM grants you to package the Alternate Library to your REXX compiled products. ... It doesn't matter how I would interpret that since I'm not a vendor, but that could mean either ISV REXX developers or IBM REXX developers. Even with IBM grants ..., on first reading I interpretted that to mean IBM developers. Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Rexx Alternate Library
On Dec 13, 2007, at 10:55 AM, Pinnacle wrote: Seeing the posts on how people were having problems obtaining the Rexx Alternate Library, I asked the Rexx Compiler group how to get a copy. It is included in the base for z/OS V1R9, but if you're not there, you can grab it at: http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=960uid=swg24006107 They also told me that vendors are free to ship SEAGALT with their compiled Rexx code. Contact me offline if you have any questions or concerns. Tom, Is this going to be supported by IBM? If so how?(ie call to support center) and is it maintenance going to be shipped on the monthly maintenance tape? Then how is SMP/e going to support it? Thanks, Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Rexx Alternate Library
- Original Message - From: Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:01 PM Subject: Re: Rexx Alternate Library On Dec 13, 2007, at 10:55 AM, Pinnacle wrote: Seeing the posts on how people were having problems obtaining the Rexx Alternate Library, I asked the Rexx Compiler group how to get a copy. It is included in the base for z/OS V1R9, but if you're not there, you can grab it at: http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=960uid=swg24006107 They also told me that vendors are free to ship SEAGALT with their compiled Rexx code. Contact me offline if you have any questions or concerns. Tom, Is this going to be supported by IBM? If so how?(ie call to support center) and is it maintenance going to be shipped on the monthly maintenance tape? Then how is SMP/e going to support it? The Rexx Alternate Library is not SMP/E installable. It has no maintenance, having been functionally stabilized for many years. If there are any bugs, IBM would create a new Web deliverable. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Rexx Alternate Library
On Dec 13, 2007, at 8:56 PM, Pinnacle wrote: ---SNIP--- Tom, Is this going to be supported by IBM? If so how?(ie call to support center) and is it maintenance going to be shipped on the monthly maintenance tape? Then how is SMP/e going to support it? The Rexx Alternate Library is not SMP/E installable. It has no maintenance, having been functionally stabilized for many years. If there are any bugs, IBM would create a new Web deliverable. Tom, Not trying to be too much of a pain here. But I sure would not want to install *ANY* product that is not supported, especially something in the linklist (where I am guessing you would have to install it). Its even worse, IMO than something off the CBT Tape, at least there you have a person to ask questions of and at least you might get an answer to a bug. I just don't understand why IBM would not support it. It seems logically to me that it is something that is reasonably supportable. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Rexx Alternate Library
- Original Message - From: Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:28 PM Subject: Re: Rexx Alternate Library On Dec 13, 2007, at 8:56 PM, Pinnacle wrote: ---SNIP--- Tom, Is this going to be supported by IBM? If so how?(ie call to support center) and is it maintenance going to be shipped on the monthly maintenance tape? Then how is SMP/e going to support it? The Rexx Alternate Library is not SMP/E installable. It has no maintenance, having been functionally stabilized for many years. If there are any bugs, IBM would create a new Web deliverable. Tom, Not trying to be too much of a pain here. But I sure would not want to install *ANY* product that is not supported, especially something in the linklist (where I am guessing you would have to install it). Its even worse, IMO than something off the CBT Tape, at least there you have a person to ask questions of and at least you might get an answer to a bug. I just don't understand why IBM would not support it. It seems logically to me that it is something that is reasonably supportable. sigh It is supported, I never said it wasn't. Functionally stabilized does not mean not supported. If you find a bug, IBM will fix it. Repeat, if you find a bug, IBM will fix it. I did say that above. Maybe you don't like Web deliverables. Nothing I can do about that. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Rexx Alternate Library
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:56:33 -0500, Pinnacle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... The Rexx Alternate Library is not SMP/E installable. It has no maintenance, having been functionally stabilized for many years. If there are any bugs, IBM would create a new Web deliverable. ... This seems very odd. The REXX Alternate Library that is (or used to be) shipped with IBM products using compiled REXX was certainly SMP-installable. It was simply another (free) product shipped with the order. Why would a web-deliverable version be any different? Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Rexx Alternate Library
On Dec 13, 2007, at 10:17 PM, Pinnacle wrote: - Original Message - From: Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:28 PM Subject: Re: Rexx Alternate Library On Dec 13, 2007, at 8:56 PM, Pinnacle wrote: ---SNIP--- Tom, Is this going to be supported by IBM? If so how?(ie call to support center) and is it maintenance going to be shipped on the monthly maintenance tape? Then how is SMP/e going to support it? The Rexx Alternate Library is not SMP/E installable. It has no maintenance, having been functionally stabilized for many years. If there are any bugs, IBM would create a new Web deliverable. Tom, Not trying to be too much of a pain here. But I sure would not want to install *ANY* product that is not supported, especially something in the linklist (where I am guessing you would have to install it). Its even worse, IMO than something off the CBT Tape, at least there you have a person to ask questions of and at least you might get an answer to a bug. I just don't understand why IBM would not support it. It seems logically to me that it is something that is reasonably supportable. sigh It is supported, I never said it wasn't. Functionally stabilized does not mean not supported. If you find a bug, IBM will fix it. Repeat, if you find a bug, IBM will fix it. I did say that above. Maybe you don't like Web deliverables. Nothing I can do about that. Then I am guessing it has class A status you can PMR it from what you are saying. There is another reason I would not install it (no smpe support). As to fixes its not clear to me how IBM is going to deliver fixes, since it is non smpe. Going to a web site and check daily? Sorry I have to much other things to do. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
REXX Alternate Library v1.4.0
Hi, Anybody know a quick way to get the free REXX Alternate Library (RAL) v1.4.0 in an SMP/E installable package? ShopzSeries lists only the priced REXX Library (which includes the Alternate Library FMID). Our currently-installed REXX Alternate Library v1.3.0 (FMID HWJ9133) apparently was packaged with Netview, and I'm installing the host components of Rational Developer for System z (RDz) v7.1. RDz 7.1's program directory specifies a mandatory requisite of RAL 1.4.0 (FMID HWJ9143), and of course they didn't include it in their packaging. TIA, -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: REXX Alternate Library v1.4.0
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:37:14 -0600 Chase, John wrote: Anybody know a quick way to get the free REXX Alternate Library (RAL) v1.4.0 in an SMP/E installable package? Install (z/OS) 1.9 ???. Marna said she had managed to include it in the ServerPac to save users (us what do the installing) precisely this issue. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: REXX Alternate Library v1.4.0
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shane On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:37:14 -0600 Chase, John wrote: Anybody know a quick way to get the free REXX Alternate Library (RAL) v1.4.0 in an SMP/E installable package? Install (z/OS) 1.9 ???. Marna said she had managed to include it in the ServerPac to save users (us what do the installing) precisely this issue. Super! I've also been informed that it ships with the current version of Netview, so early next year we should be in tall cotton since we plan to install both. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
