Re: SYSTERM to DSN

2007-06-05 Thread J R 
And, at the risk of once more violating O'Brien's Law, I suspect I was right 
that it was the asynchronous responses from the HSM address space that was 
the real problem.




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You were right Mark, the original OP never did post back.



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On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:41:27 -0400, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Rather than 'suspect', why don't we wait for Daniel to supply the 
requested

information.
>

Not a bad idea.  But...

1) It can make interesting discussion while we all try an figure it out.

2) Many times the OP doesn't post back.

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Re: SYSTERM to DSN

2007-06-05 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] 
You were right Mark, the original OP never did post back.



From: Mark Zelden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:41:27 -0400, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Rather than 'suspect', why don't we wait for Daniel to supply the requested
information.
>

Not a bad idea.  But...

1) It can make interesting discussion while we all try an figure it out.

2) Many times the OP doesn't post back.

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Re: SYSTERM to DSN

2007-06-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) 
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/04/2007
   at 10:33 AM, Daniel McLaughlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:

>Co-worker running a bunch of commands and jobs that send the output
>back  to his screen. He'd rather have it in a file for editing and
>manipulation. These  are things like various HSM commands. We're
>going crazy with this. Would  some kind soul put us out of our misery
>by revealing the mystery sequence?

Use the TSO Session Manager. It maintains a session history and has
facilities to copy streams to data sets.
 
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Re: SYSTERM to DSN

2007-06-04 Thread Paul Gilmartin 
On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:33:21 -0500, Daniel McLaughlin wrote:

>Co-worker running a bunch of commands and jobs that send the output back
>to his screen. He'd rather have it in a file for editing and manipulation. 
>These
>are things like various HSM commands. We're going crazy with this. Would
>some kind soul put us out of our misery by revealing the mystery sequence?
>
See the archives.  This was discussed here on April 20-21, 2006 under the
Subject: "HL*ST displays output in wrong session".  I was disappointed
at the outcome.  As I see it, IBM simply doesn't care to invest whatever
effort is required to make HSM return its replies properly to the
session making the request.

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Re: SYSTERM to DSN

2007-06-04 Thread Mark Zelden 
On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:41:27 -0400, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Rather than 'suspect', why don't we wait for Daniel to supply the requested
information.
>

Not a bad idea.  But...

1) It can make interesting discussion while we all try an figure it out.

2) Many times the OP doesn't post back.

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Re: SYSTERM to DSN

2007-06-04 Thread J R 

Oops!  It seems I've violated O'Brien's law of forum decorum.
Please accept my humble apologies.



From: "O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:41:27 -0400

Rather than 'suspect', why don't we wait for Daniel to supply the requested 
information.




From: J R [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: SYSTERM to DSN



I suspect that the immediate command responses are not
the ones at issue.  There are also the asynchronous ones
emanating from the HSM address space.  In this case, the
solution proposed by Lizette may be a better approach.


>From: "O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: Re: SYSTERM to DSN
>Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:52:34 -0400
>
>Daniel,
>
>   Could you supply more info as to what HSM commands are involved? Some
>such as HLIST lend themselves to output datasets - see ODS parameter.
>
>Others such as Delete, Bdelete, Rceall and Recover don't support ODS and
>are better served submitting in batch via IKJEFT01.
>
>
>



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Re: SYSTERM to DSN

2007-06-04 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] 
Rather than 'suspect', why don't we wait for Daniel to supply the requested 
information.



From: J R [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon 6/4/2007 1:25 PM
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Subject: Re: SYSTERM to DSN



I suspect that the immediate command responses are not
the ones at issue.  There are also the asynchronous ones
emanating from the HSM address space.  In this case, the
solution proposed by Lizette may be a better approach.


>From: "O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
>To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
>Subject: Re: SYSTERM to DSN
>Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:52:34 -0400
>
>Daniel,
>
>   Could you supply more info as to what HSM commands are involved? Some
>such as HLIST lend themselves to output datasets - see ODS parameter.
>
>Others such as Delete, Bdelete, Rceall and Recover don't support ODS and
>are better served submitting in batch via IKJEFT01.
>
>
>

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Re: SYSTERM to DSN

2007-06-04 Thread J R 

I suspect that the immediate command responses are not
the ones at issue.  There are also the asynchronous ones
emanating from the HSM address space.  In this case, the
solution proposed by Lizette may be a better approach.



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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:52:34 -0400

Daniel,

  Could you supply more info as to what HSM commands are involved? Some 
such as HLIST lend themselves to output datasets - see ODS parameter.


Others such as Delete, Bdelete, Rceall and Recover don't support ODS and 
are better served submitting in batch via IKJEFT01.






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Re: SYSTERM to DSN

2007-06-04 Thread Larry Burch 
And many/most commands that might not support ODS *can* be initiated with 
an HSEND command (using pgm=IKJEFT01), which *does* provide the ODS 
facility.

(I've just now reviewed/rediscovered some of my "HSEND FIXCDS ... ODS
(...)" and  "HSEND  RECYCLE   ODS(...)" commands from last January!)



On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:52:34 -0400, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Daniel,
> 
>  Could you supply more info as to what HSM commands are involved? Some 
such as HLIST lend themselves to output datasets - see ODS parameter.
> 
>Others such as Delete, Bdelete, Rceall and Recover don't support ODS and 
are better served submitting in batch via IKJEFT01. 
>
>

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Re: SYSTERM to DSN

2007-06-04 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] 
Daniel,
 
  Could you supply more info as to what HSM commands are involved? Some such as 
HLIST lend themselves to output datasets - see ODS parameter.
 
Others such as Delete, Bdelete, Rceall and Recover don't support ODS and are 
better served submitting in batch via IKJEFT01. 




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Re: SYSTERM to DSN

2007-06-04 Thread Larry Burch 
The HSM's command may be directed to a file:

 HLIST  LEVEL(ABC)  OUTDATASET(hsm.list.dsname)

The DISP= appears to always be "mod", so multiple jobs could use the same 
file.  There might be file contention situations, undesired out-of-orderness, 
etc.


On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 11:41:12 -0400, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Danial,
> 
>  Instead of executing HSM commands, submit them as input to IKJEFT01. 
sample below
> 
>//MIGDB2 JOB (ZZXZ,112,L,99),'HSM BATCH MIGRATE',  
>//  USER=,NOTIFY=,MSGCLASS=
>//*
>//*
>//**  BATCH TSO
>//**   
>//*
>//*
>//STEP1   EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01,   
>// REGION=4000K
>//*
>//SYSTSPRT  DD SYSOUT=*
>//SYSUDUMP  DD SYSOUT=*
>//*
>//SYSTSIN   DD *   
>HRECALL 'DSNDCAT1.DSNDBC.$THU.TESTRTBL.I0001.A001' NOWAIT  
>HRECALL 'DSNDCAT1.DSNDBC.ACMDB.TSACTCOD.I0001.A001' NOWAIT
> 
>   
>
>________
>
>From: Daniel McLaughlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Mon 6/4/2007 11:33 AM
>To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
>Subject: SYSTERM to DSN
>
>
>
>Co-worker running a bunch of commands and jobs that send the output back
>to his screen. He'd rather have it in a file for editing and manipulation. 
>These
>are things like various HSM commands. We're going crazy with this. Would
>some kind soul put us out of our misery by revealing the mystery sequence?
>
>Muchly appreciated...
>

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Re: SYSTERM to DSN

2007-06-04 Thread Lizette Koehler 
You did not say which DFSMShsm commands are being used.  For HRECALL or HRECOV 
you may have to find a way to "trap" the output like in REXX.  For others like 
TTOC you can send it to a data set directly.

For some reason, HSM just loves to send things back to the TSO ID.  

One thought I had was to hold the brodcasts till ready.  But to do this you 
should have your own User Broadcast data set.  If your "SEND" messages like in 
something like SYS1.BRODCAST then you probably cannot do this.  If it is in 
TSOID.brodcast - you can.

>From anywhere in TSO or ISPF list your TSO PROFILE.  (Opt 6 in ISPF - TSO 
>PROF)  See if you have the following:  WTPMSG, INTERCOM, MSGID.  If you do 
>then you can probably turn mail off so it is held in the TSO Brodcast data 
>set.  Then you can browse or view your brodcast data set and copy the 
>information to somewhere else.

Use:  TSO PROF NOWTPMSG NOINTERCOM
Next logon to TSO again but on the panel where you enter your Password go to 
the bottom and select NOMAIL.


Hope this helps.

Lizette

>
>Co-worker running a bunch of commands and jobs that send the output back 
>to his screen. He'd rather have it in a file for editing and manipulation. 
>These 
>are things like various HSM commands. We're going crazy with this. Would 
>some kind soul put us out of our misery by revealing the mystery sequence?
>
>

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Re: SYSTERM to DSN

2007-06-04 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] 
Danial,
 
  Instead of executing HSM commands, submit them as input to IKJEFT01. sample 
below
 
//MIGDB2 JOB (ZZXZ,112,L,99),'HSM BATCH MIGRATE',  
//  USER=,NOTIFY=,MSGCLASS=
//*
//*
//**  BATCH TSO
//**   
//*
//*
//STEP1   EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01,   
// REGION=4000K
//*
//SYSTSPRT  DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSUDUMP  DD SYSOUT=*
//*
//SYSTSIN   DD *   
HRECALL 'DSNDCAT1.DSNDBC.$THU.TESTRTBL.I0001.A001' NOWAIT  
HRECALL 'DSNDCAT1.DSNDBC.ACMDB.TSACTCOD.I0001.A001' NOWAIT
 
   



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Co-worker running a bunch of commands and jobs that send the output back
to his screen. He'd rather have it in a file for editing and manipulation. These
are things like various HSM commands. We're going crazy with this. Would
some kind soul put us out of our misery by revealing the mystery sequence?

Muchly appreciated...

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SYSTERM to DSN

2007-06-04 Thread Daniel McLaughlin 
Co-worker running a bunch of commands and jobs that send the output back 
to his screen. He'd rather have it in a file for editing and manipulation. 
These 
are things like various HSM commands. We're going crazy with this. Would 
some kind soul put us out of our misery by revealing the mystery sequence?

Muchly appreciated...

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