Re: ServerPac IYO (Installing Your Order)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/18/2008 at 10:32 AM, Mark Zelden [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Does it bother anyone else that the orderhlq.SCPPLENU only contains a PDF version now that you have to transfer to your workstation to read? Yes. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ServerPac IYO (Installing Your Order)
Matthew Stitt wrote: I had it taken several steps further. My recently shipped order came with no boxes at all. I was given web pages with pointers to all the doc for download to my workstation. Even the softcopy DVD and CD/DVDs with additional product features for the non-Z platforms. I'm sorry, but I don't have multi-TB IP link. With what I have available I can download 100MB per hour at best. Did you choose Internet download media ? I chose regular cart and got tapes few paper books and a lot of CD's which I don't need and will never use. BTW: I miss DVD with documentation for z/OS and all the products (DB2, CICS, MQ and many others). I got z/OS Collection on CDs which contains less than DVD and consist of many CD's. However I can order the DVD. AFAIK the price is $5. I can afford it vbg -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ServerPac IYO (Installing Your Order)
--snip- I like when IBM (and other vendors) give you better documentation or better ways to view it. I don't like having things taken away. In the past, IYO came in several formats: BookManger, AFP and in readable text in the orderhlq.SCPPLENU data set as member LIST1403. [...] Well, I'm very glad that we've got PDF format. However IMHO it should have nothing to do with txt format existence. So we gave you PDF - it's good ...but we've taken away TXT - why ??? BTW: If I really had to choose PDF or (exclusive-OR) txt, I would choose ...PDF. YMMV. unsnip-- Then I'm probably in a serious minority: I prefer BookMangler, mainly because of the search engine. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ServerPac IYO (Installing Your Order)
Ah, but Adobe Acrobat reader has a voice and will read your manual to you. It's a bit monotonous and calls ZOS zee-oss, but book manager won't do that! Daniel McLaughlin Z-Series Systems Programmer Information Communications Technology Crawford Company 4680 N. Royal Atlanta Tucker GA 30084 phone: 770-621-3256 fax: 770-621-3237 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.crawfordandcompany.com IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 03/19/2008 12:38:22 PM: [image removed] Re: ServerPac IYO (Installing Your Order) Rick Fochtman to: IBM-MAIN 03/19/2008 12:43 PM Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List -- Information from the mail header --- Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Poster: Rick Fochtman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ServerPac IYO (Installing Your Order) --- --snip- I like when IBM (and other vendors) give you better documentation or better ways to view it. I don't like having things taken away. In the past, IYO came in several formats: BookManger, AFP and in readable text in the orderhlq.SCPPLENU data set as member LIST1403. [...] Well, I'm very glad that we've got PDF format. However IMHO it should have nothing to do with txt format existence. So we gave you PDF - it's good ...but we've taken away TXT - why ??? BTW: If I really had to choose PDF or (exclusive-OR) txt, I would choose ...PDF. YMMV. unsnip-- Then I'm probably in a serious minority: I prefer BookMangler, mainly because of the search engine. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Best Overall Third-Party Claims Administrator - 2007 Business Insurance Readers Choice Awards Consider the environment before printing this message. This transmission is intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication may contain information that is confidential, proprietary, privileged or otherwise exempt from disclosure. If you are not the named addressee, you are NOT authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this communication, its attachments or any part of them. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this communication from all computers. This communication does not form any contractual obligation on behalf of the sender, the sender's employer, or the employer's parent company, affiliates or subsidiaries. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ServerPac IYO (Installing Your Order)
Daniel McLaughlin wrote: Ah, but Adobe Acrobat reader has a voice and will read your manual to you. It's a bit monotonous and calls ZOS zee-oss, but book manager won't do that! Not true! BookManager softcopy books can be read via any web browser. (For an example, see IBM's public library server for z/OS publications at http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/v1r9books.html.) We use this technology this for our intranet as well. There are numerous accessibility solutions that process HTML. In fact, there are many more for HTML than for PDF. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ServerPac IYO (Installing Your Order)
Oh, well, guess I don't keep up with the technology as well as I thought. Thanks for the tip... Daniel McLaughlin Z-Series Systems Programmer Information Communications Technology Crawford Company 4680 N. Royal Atlanta Tucker GA 30084 phone: 770-621-3256 fax: 770-621-3237 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.crawfordandcompany.com IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 03/19/2008 01:02:21 PM: [image removed] Re: ServerPac IYO (Installing Your Order) Edward Jaffe to: IBM-MAIN 03/19/2008 01:01 PM Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List -- Information from the mail header --- Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Poster: Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Phoenix Software International, Inc. Subject: Re: ServerPac IYO (Installing Your Order) --- Daniel McLaughlin wrote: Ah, but Adobe Acrobat reader has a voice and will read your manual to you. It's a bit monotonous and calls ZOS zee-oss, but book manager won't do that! Not true! BookManager softcopy books can be read via any web browser. (For an example, see IBM's public library server for z/OS publications at http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/v1r9books.html.) We use this technology this for our intranet as well. There are numerous accessibility solutions that process HTML. In fact, there are many more for HTML than for PDF. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Best Overall Third-Party Claims Administrator - 2007 Business Insurance Readers Choice Awards Consider the environment before printing this message. This transmission is intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication may contain information that is confidential, proprietary, privileged or otherwise exempt from disclosure. If you are not the named addressee, you are NOT authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this communication, its attachments or any part of them. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this communication from all computers. This communication does not form any contractual obligation on behalf of the sender, the sender's employer, or the employer's parent company, affiliates or subsidiaries. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ServerPac IYO (Installing Your Order)
Rick Fochtman wrote: --snip- I like when IBM (and other vendors) give you better documentation or better ways to view it. I don't like having things taken away. In the past, IYO came in several formats: BookManger, AFP and in readable text in the orderhlq.SCPPLENU data set as member LIST1403. [...] Well, I'm very glad that we've got PDF format. However IMHO it should have nothing to do with txt format existence. So we gave you PDF - it's good ...but we've taken away TXT - why ??? BTW: If I really had to choose PDF or (exclusive-OR) txt, I would choose ...PDF. YMMV. unsnip-- Then I'm probably in a serious minority: I prefer BookMangler, mainly because of the search engine. -- Rick, you missed the point! I also prefer BOO over PDF, but I prefer PDF over TXT. We just lost TXT and got PDF. Obviously I would like to have all of the formats. PDF for printing, BOO for browsing online, TXT to view it directly on ISPF. I *hate* searching in PDFs! Unfortunately many ISVs (BMC, EMC, STK/Sun, BETASYSTEMS to name a few) supply only PDF, and - last but not least - the quality of the *content* is sometimes poor. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
ServerPac IYO (Installing Your Order)
I like when IBM (and other vendors) give you better documentation or better ways to view it. I don't like having things taken away. In the past, IYO came in several formats: BookManger, AFP and in readable text in the orderhlq.SCPPLENU data set as member LIST1403. Does it bother anyone else that the orderhlq.SCPPLENU only contains a PDF version now that you have to transfer to your workstation to read? Was it removed to save 100 tracks of DASD? I often reference this document during the life of an OS at my shop and even when it is gone at times. The easiest place to find it and view it is (was) on z/OS. Unless it is some where else now (I didn't install our last ServerPac). Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ServerPac IYO (Installing Your Order)
Mark Zelden wrote: I like when IBM (and other vendors) give you better documentation or better ways to view it. I don't like having things taken away. In the past, IYO came in several formats: BookManger, AFP and in readable text in the orderhlq.SCPPLENU data set as member LIST1403. Does it bother anyone else that the orderhlq.SCPPLENU only contains a PDF version now that you have to transfer to your workstation to read? Was it removed to save 100 tracks of DASD? I often reference this document during the life of an OS at my shop and even when it is gone at times. The easiest place to find it and view it is (was) on z/OS. I heard a story at SHARE in Orlando that some books have broken the BookManager BUILD process and there's nobody at IBM whose job it is (or who knows how to) fix it. At least, that's the story I heard about why they're having so much trouble putting out the POO in BookManager format. When used with Library Server, BookManager format allows viewing a manual -- topic by topic -- via a web browser ... far preferable to downloading a multi-megabyte PDF document every time you want to look something up. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ServerPac IYO (Installing Your Order)
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:55:57 -0700, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Zelden wrote: I like when IBM (and other vendors) give you better documentation or better ways to view it. I don't like having things taken away. In the past, IYO came in several formats: BookManger, AFP and in readable text in the orderhlq.SCPPLENU data set as member LIST1403. Does it bother anyone else that the orderhlq.SCPPLENU only contains a PDF version now that you have to transfer to your workstation to read? Was it removed to save 100 tracks of DASD? I often reference this document during the life of an OS at my shop and even when it is gone at times. The easiest place to find it and view it is (was) on z/OS. I heard a story at SHARE in Orlando that some books have broken the BookManager BUILD process and there's nobody at IBM whose job it is (or who knows how to) fix it. At least, that's the story I heard about why they're having so much trouble putting out the POO in BookManager format. When used with Library Server, BookManager format allows viewing a manual -- topic by topic -- via a web browser ... far preferable to downloading a multi-megabyte PDF document every time you want to look something up. Well, at least in this case it is still distributed in BookManager format also in the orderhlq.INSTGUID.BOOK data set. But I have to download that to view it just like the PDF since we don't run library server. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ServerPac IYO (Installing Your Order)
I'm not doing the install, but we do have a 1.9 IYO in BookManager format. Don Imbriale -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Zelden Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 11:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: ServerPac IYO (Installing Your Order) I like when IBM (and other vendors) give you better documentation or better ways to view it. I don't like having things taken away. In the past, IYO came in several formats: BookManger, AFP and in readable text in the orderhlq.SCPPLENU data set as member LIST1403. Does it bother anyone else that the orderhlq.SCPPLENU only contains a PDF version now that you have to transfer to your workstation to read? Was it removed to save 100 tracks of DASD? I often reference this document during the life of an OS at my shop and even when it is gone at times. The easiest place to find it and view it is (was) on z/OS. Unless it is some where else now (I didn't install our last ServerPac). *** Bear Stearns is not responsible for any recommendation, solicitation, offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or account activity contained in this communication. *** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ServerPac IYO (Installing Your Order)
Mark Zelden wrote: I like when IBM (and other vendors) give you better documentation or better ways to view it. I don't like having things taken away. In the past, IYO came in several formats: BookManger, AFP and in readable text in the orderhlq.SCPPLENU data set as member LIST1403. [...] Well, I'm very glad that we've got PDF format. However IMHO it should have nothing to do with txt format existence. So we gave you PDF - it's good ...but we've taken away TXT - why ??? BTW: If I really had to choose PDF or (exclusive-OR) txt, I would choose ...PDF. YMMV. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ServerPac IYO (Installing Your Order)
I had it taken several steps further. My recently shipped order came with no boxes at all. I was given web pages with pointers to all the doc for download to my workstation. Even the softcopy DVD and CD/DVDs with additional product features for the non-Z platforms. I'm sorry, but I don't have multi-TB IP link. With what I have available I can download 100MB per hour at best. On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:46:12 +0100, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Zelden wrote: I like when IBM (and other vendors) give you better documentation or better ways to view it. I don't like having things taken away. In the past, IYO came in several formats: BookManger, AFP and in readable text in the orderhlq.SCPPLENU data set as member LIST1403. [...] Well, I'm very glad that we've got PDF format. However IMHO it should have nothing to do with txt format existence. So we gave you PDF - it's good ...but we've taken away TXT - why ??? BTW: If I really had to choose PDF or (exclusive-OR) txt, I would choose ...PDF. YMMV. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
