Re: Souce Control for z/OS
Thank you all for your replies. I'm provided our management with the info and then... Meanwhile, the group I work in has written processes to wrap around Endevor and extend it a bit. But different product groups here are using different systems, and someone thought that we could/should all use one system... So in time, I guess they will tell us what will happen (status quo or we get to change). Regards, Steve Thompson -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Thompson Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 12:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Souce Control for z/OS If one needed a source control system that could be handled via TSO, where could one find such? I know about Panvalet, Endevor, SCLM, and Librarian. Are there any others? snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Souce Control for z/OS
In a recent note, Thompson, Steve said: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:37:14 -0400 Meanwhile, the group I work in has written processes to wrap around Endevor and extend it a bit. But different product groups here are using different systems, and someone thought that we could/should all use one system... So in time, I guess they will tell us what will happen (status quo or we get to change). No, one faction will get to change. Others with lesser political power will be required to change. Yet others with greater power will continue doing whatever they have been doing. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Souce Control for z/OS
I use Proteus every day and it does all the things you would expect it to do. It is customizable and can have different assembler concatenations for different people or groups. We use it with three levels, the lowest being an individuals sandbox, then a development level, and finally, the QA level. You never have to think about if you change a macro what modules need to be re-assembled, it does it all in your sandbox automatically. As I said, it does all you would expect, or at least all I need it to do. Christopher Y. Blaicher BMC Software, Inc. Austin Development Labs (512) 340-6154 The comments made are my personal opinions. BMC Software, Inc. makes no representations or promises regarding the reliability, completeness, or accuracy of the information provided in this discussion; all readers agree not to rely on this information or take any action against BMC Software in response to this information. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Hewson Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 11:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Souce Control for z/OS Hello Steve, There is a very smart system called Proteus available from Fundi Software in Australia site:http://www.fundi.com.au/pr_proteus.html dont work for them, but I like to promote Aussie software. :-) Regards Bruce Hewson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Antwort: Souce Control for z/OS
A low cost solution for z/OS is CVS for MVS (dccmn.com/cvsmvs). You can use it from USS-side via native CVS commands or via Batch-Job from TSO. I wrote a ISPF-frontend in REXX for our needs to control the workflow-levels test, qualitycontrol, integration, production. This tool is for Mainframe developers without CVS-know-how and Mainframe COBOL-Sourcecode. Our MVS guys are very happy using CVS for MVS. Albert VERLAGSGRUPPE WELTBILD GMBH Sitz der Gesellschaft: Augsburg Handelsregister Augsburg HRB 6035 Ust-ID-Nr: DE 127501299 Geschäftsführung: Carel Halff (Vorsitzender), Dr. Klaus Driever, Werner Ortner, Herbert Zoch Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Dr. Klaus Donaubauer
Re: Souce Control for z/OS
Has anyone mentioned WebMethods yet? That's what we use here at the Fairfax County Gov't in Virginia. TTFN, Mark H. Young -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Souce Control for z/OS
Hello Steve, There is a very smart system called Proteus available from Fundi Software in Australia site:http://www.fundi.com.au/pr_proteus.html dont work for them, but I like to promote Aussie software. :-) Regards Bruce Hewson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Souce Control for z/OS
If one needed a source control system that could be handled via TSO, where could one find such? I know about Panvalet, Endevor, SCLM, and Librarian. Are there any others? The criteria for a source maint system is that it (1) will allow for immediate backout of an update, (2) allow a delta report at the member level to be done and (3) recognize that different members must be compiled/assembled linked with different options. If such a thing exists on the CBT, I've missed it, and if this was discussed on IBM-Main, the archives did not pull up a hit using source maint. Two odd things are also possible: using CVS (or some such) on an Intel platform, or using a VM/CMS server machine to handle things. But for now we are looking at/for options to the way we do things today (we have multiple mainframe environments (VM, VSE, MVS) and applications to merge to a single system and track). Later, Steve.T -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Souce Control for z/OS
Look into ISPW (www.ispw.com) It is excellent, and lightning fast. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Thompson Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 1:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Souce Control for z/OS If one needed a source control system that could be handled via TSO, where could one find such? I know about Panvalet, Endevor, SCLM, and Librarian. Are there any others? The criteria for a source maint system is that it (1) will allow for immediate backout of an update, (2) allow a delta report at the member level to be done and (3) recognize that different members must be compiled/assembled linked with different options. If such a thing exists on the CBT, I've missed it, and if this was discussed on IBM-Main, the archives did not pull up a hit using source maint. Two odd things are also possible: using CVS (or some such) on an Intel platform, or using a VM/CMS server machine to handle things. But for now we are looking at/for options to the way we do things today (we have multiple mainframe environments (VM, VSE, MVS) and applications to merge to a single system and track). Later, Steve.T -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Souce Control for z/OS
There is Changeman/ZMF from Serena Software, Inc. Daniel Allen Sr. System Programmer Serena Software, Inc. 13713 Pinto Lane Lodi, CA 95240 800-699-6850 ext. 11241 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Serena Software, Inc. www.serena.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Thompson Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Souce Control for z/OS If one needed a source control system that could be handled via TSO, where could one find such? I know about Panvalet, Endevor, SCLM, and Librarian. Are there any others? The criteria for a source maint system is that it (1) will allow for immediate backout of an update, (2) allow a delta report at the member level to be done and (3) recognize that different members must be compiled/assembled linked with different options. If such a thing exists on the CBT, I've missed it, and if this was discussed on IBM-Main, the archives did not pull up a hit using source maint. Two odd things are also possible: using CVS (or some such) on an Intel platform, or using a VM/CMS server machine to handle things. But for now we are looking at/for options to the way we do things today (we have multiple mainframe environments (VM, VSE, MVS) and applications to merge to a single system and track). Later, Steve.T -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Souce Control for z/OS
If one needed a source control system that could be handled via TSO, where could one find such? We use software from these folks: http://www.dcmsi.com/ Alan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Souce Control for z/OS
We looked at eventACTION and liked it. We use the free SCLM and it is ok for our immediate needs. http://www.actionsoftware.com/products.htm -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Thompson Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 12:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Souce Control for z/OS If one needed a source control system that could be handled via TSO, where could one find such? I know about Panvalet, Endevor, SCLM, and Librarian. Are there any others? The criteria for a source maint system is that it (1) will allow for immediate backout of an update, (2) allow a delta report at the member level to be done and (3) recognize that different members must be compiled/assembled linked with different options. If such a thing exists on the CBT, I've missed it, and if this was discussed on IBM-Main, the archives did not pull up a hit using source maint. Two odd things are also possible: using CVS (or some such) on an Intel platform, or using a VM/CMS server machine to handle things. But for now we are looking at/for options to the way we do things today (we have multiple mainframe environments (VM, VSE, MVS) and applications to merge to a single system and track). Later, Steve.T NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Souce Control for z/OS
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Thompson If one needed a source control system that could be handled via TSO, where could one find such? I know about Panvalet, Endevor, SCLM, and Librarian. Are there any others? Changeman (Serena Software). -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Souce Control for z/OS
ChangeMan/ZMF from Serena - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Souce Control for z/OS
Steve, There are many good products on the market. Endevor, SCLM, Changeman, bare bones ones like Panvalet and Librarian. You need to decide what kind of effort do you want to get involved with. Endevor and Changeman will maintain everything you are looking for. But can take a staff to support either of them. Plus they both require knowledge of setting up Data sets, JCL, ISPF, REXX, and CLIST. SCLM, Panvalet, Librarian are very basic. You can maintain versions but need to establish processes that will backout changes or implement changes. Which means you also need to know what else needs to be run when updating things like CICS, DB2 or MQ functions. Changeman and Endevor can be tailored to do that automatically. I would recommend you contact both Endevor and Change Man to see if they can cross platform to VSE and VM. I do not know if either can do that. SCLM, Panvalet, and Librarian would need things written to do that. That will be labor intensive. Also, do you want to maintain your system libraries under this product as well. I am thinking about Parmlib, Proclib, etc... Some shops put everything under the control of their source manager and some don't. As a Sysprog I do not want to see that happen to my SYS1 data sets. But maybe your shop does. So decide on your direction, the products are all good. Lizette Snip If one needed a source control system that could be handled via TSO, where could one find such? I know about Panvalet, Endevor, SCLM, and Librarian. Are there any others? The criteria for a source maint system is that it (1) will allow for immediate backout of an update, (2) allow a delta report at the member level to be done and (3) recognize that different members must be compiled/assembled linked with different options. If such a thing exists on the CBT, I've missed it, and if this was discussed on IBM-Main, the archives did not pull up a hit using source maint. Two odd things are also possible: using CVS (or some such) on an Intel platform, or using a VM/CMS server machine to handle things. But for now we are looking at/for options to the way we do things today (we have multiple mainframe environments (VM, VSE, MVS) and applications to merge to a single system and track). Unsnip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Souce Control for z/OS
A few points on the IBM products. SCLM has multiple modules. Base SCLM is in z/OS itself, and then the various other components come under the SCLM Advanced Edition umbrella, a separately licensed product. I would not characterize SCLM Advanced Edition as basic in function. Also, you can actually do TSO check-ins/check-outs to Rational ClearCase now, with ClearCase on Linux on z being the preferred choice for such installations. There are also ways of integrating SCLM and ClearCase. And, as part of SCLM Advanced Edition or available separately (and with WDz), there is an Eclipse plug-in for SCLM so that developers can maintain source in SCLM even for code that isn't currently targeted to run on a mainframe. Some relevant links: http://www.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg24006191 http://www.ibm.com/software/awdtools/sclmsuite/rational/index.html http://www.ibm.com/software/awdtools/configmgr/ I believe CA has an Endevor plug-in for Eclipse. - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
