Re: TDMF Questions
Question: Is *short* service window acceptable? If yes then *no tool* and *no consultancy* is needed, despite of the data amount or volume geometry (more precisely: models). In fact only few system volumes and DB2 need special tool or outage, vast majority of data can moved on the fly. I don't know Model 204 database, so don't speak about it. My €0.02 Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland Ted MacNEIL wrote: I'd recommend that you take a strong look at Innovation's FDRPAS. Way easier to set up, run, and monitor than TDMF. But both will get the job done. 1. If the contract covers TDMF, why spend the money. 2. I've used both, and did not find issues with either. Contrary to another post I saw, neither is recommended for moving active paging volumes, so you will need to either PAGEADD, PAGEDEL, or IPL for those. 3. We did it, two years ago, with no IPLs. 4. 11.2 TB. Everything else, JES spool, checkpoint, etc. should be OK. 5. For us, all was. - -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, nr rejestru przedsiębiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Według stanu na dzień 01.01.2008 r. kapitał zakładowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 złote i został w całości wpłacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TDMF Questions
IIRC, do not IPL any MVS image connected to that storage subsystem while TDMF is running. On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:42 PM, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My shop is now the proud owner of a HDS 9990V. We are however novices in the use of TDMF which the vendor has proposed as the transfer agent between our old and new DASD. Can anyone point me to TDMF documentation? Has anyone run into any issues using TDMF on live data? Any issues with HSM ML1 volumes, DB2, M204 volumes containing user catalogs volumes containing master cats Jes2 Spool Any advice, comments will be most appreciated. Thanks, Dave O'Brien -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Glen J. Gasior (630) 712-2104 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TDMF Questions
Thanks Glen, That almost goes without saying but the reminder is appreciated. From: Glen Gasior [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat 9/13/2008 2:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TDMF Questions IIRC, do not IPL any MVS image connected to that storage subsystem while TDMF is running. On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:42 PM, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My shop is now the proud owner of a HDS 9990V. We are however novices in the use of TDMF which the vendor has proposed as the transfer agent between our old and new DASD. Can anyone point me to TDMF documentation? Has anyone run into any issues using TDMF on live data? Any issues with HSM ML1 volumes, DB2, M204 volumes containing user catalogs volumes containing master cats Jes2 Spool Any advice, comments will be most appreciated. Thanks, Dave O'Brien -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Glen J. Gasior (630) 712-2104 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TDMF Questions
Brian, That would be the SUN STK 9990V, which is the same as the HDS USP-V :-) Ron My shop is now the proud owner of a HDS 9990V. We are however novices -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TDMF Questions
Ted, Because it is a 9990V, meaning it is sold and supported by SUN STK. If he said it was a XP24K then it would be sold and supported by HP. HDS are not directly in the picture. It's like back in the day when you could buy an Iceberg from STK or an RVA from IBM. Same box, different vendor. I'm not sure that there is a pressing reason to differentiate. SUN have some very capable people, and STK provides SUN with a good MF heritage. Ron Why are you going to the point of pointing out it's not HDS? With all three DASD vendors, I've never had a problem. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TDMF Questions
Sridher, Be careful when you give specific advice like that. Sometimes it gives the wrong idea. That being said, I have moved 16 volumes across 11 lpars and they finished as fast as a DFSMSdss dump would have. YMMV depending on how much I/O is going to the volumes you are moving. Bob - Robert B. Richards(Bob) US Office of Personnel Management 1900 E Street NW Room: BH04L Washington, D.C. 20415 Phone: (202) 606-1195 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nelliyappan Manivel, Sridhar - Sridher Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TDMF Questions Limit the number of concurrent volumes you move with TDMF (probably 5 volumes). It is a parameter in TDMF. This is very important for I/O intensive volumes For JES2 checkpoint, you need to be careful. Read the book or work with z/OS support group on this. If you move one volume/one checkpoint at a time, you should be ok It is a pretty good product. One more thing to remember, if you have replication going on, please be considerate, move few at a time, otherwise, you might overwhelm the replication cycle or miss your RPO Regards, Sridher -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TDMF Questions
Ron, You're right, I muddied the waters with that one. Sorry. Who's Brian? Regards, Dave O'Brien From: Ron Hawkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 9/12/2008 3:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TDMF Questions Brian, That would be the SUN STK 9990V, which is the same as the HDS USP-V :-) Ron My shop is now the proud owner of a HDS 9990V. We are however novices -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TDMF Questions
Oops! That should be David. My bad. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 3:46 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] TDMF Questions Ron, You're right, I muddied the waters with that one. Sorry. Who's Brian? Regards, Dave O'Brien From: Ron Hawkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 9/12/2008 3:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TDMF Questions Brian, That would be the SUN STK 9990V, which is the same as the HDS USP-V :-) Ron My shop is now the proud owner of a HDS 9990V. We are however novices -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TDMF Questions
- Original Message - From: O'Brien, David W. [C] , NIH/CIT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:43 PM Subject: TDMF Questions My shop is now the proud owner of a HDS 9990V. We are however novices in the use of TDMF which the vendor has proposed as the transfer agent between our old and new DASD. Can anyone point me to TDMF documentation? Has anyone run into any issues using TDMF on live data? Any issues with HSM ML1 volumes, DB2, M204 volumes containing user catalogs volumes containing master cats Jes2 Spool David, I'd recommend that you take a strong look at Innovation's FDRPAS. Way easier to set up, run, and monitor than TDMF. But both will get the job done. Contrary to another post I saw, neither is recommended for moving active paging volumes, so you will need to either PAGEADD, PAGEDEL, or IPL for those. Everything else, JES spool, checkpoint, etc. should be OK. Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
TDMF Questions
My shop is now the proud owner of a HDS 9990V. We are however novices in the use of TDMF which the vendor has proposed as the transfer agent between our old and new DASD. Can anyone point me to TDMF documentation? Has anyone run into any issues using TDMF on live data? Any issues with HSM ML1 volumes, DB2, M204 volumes containing user catalogs volumes containing master cats Jes2 Spool Any advice, comments will be most appreciated. Thanks, Dave O'Brien -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TDMF Questions
My shop is now the proud owner of a HDS 9990V. We are however novices in the use of TDMF which the vendor has proposed as the transfer agent between our old and new DASD. Most of the time, the vendor includes conversion as part of the acquisition. If he didn't, or you negotiated it out, you're SOL. TDMF skills are rarely required more than once every three or four years. So, it's not economical to build the skill-set in-house. Can anyone point me to TDMF documentation? The product has moved from vendor to vendor over the last 3-4 years. But, if you can find it, the web-site is best. Although, iirc, you have to be a customer to access the doc. Has anyone run into any issues using TDMF on live data? NO. It's a very mature product. Any issues with HSM ML1 volumes, DB2, M204 volumes containing user catalogs volumes containing master cats Jes2 Spool No. And, you can include pagepacks, etc. We last used it two years ago, transfering 11.2 TB of data, all live -- no outages. Any advice, comments will be most appreciated. Get a specialist. Either through your vendor, or an external consultant. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TDMF Questions
David, My shop is now the proud owner of a HDS 9990V. We are however novices in the use of TDMF which the vendor has proposed as the transfer agent between our old and new DASD. Can anyone point me to TDMF documentation? Has anyone run into any issues using TDMF on live data? Any issues with HSM ML1 volumes, DB2, M204 volumes containing user catalogs volumes containing master cats Jes2 Spool Any advice, comments will be most appreciated. We don't have HSM but I have moved everything else on your list with TDMF to and from hds equipment. The vendor should provide you the user manual. There is a chapter called Special Considerations that details every danger point. Regards, John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TDMF Questions
I believe that IBM is now the owner of TDMF. I don't remember what name IBM has given their version of the product James (Jim) Chappell 503 745-7841 503 349-5603(cell) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Daimler Trucks North America LLC If you are not the intended addressee, please inform us immediately that you have received this e-mail in error, and delete it. We thank you for your cooperation. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TDMF Questions
Jim, John, Ted, Thank you for your responses. Yes, the data conversion is part of the package, we just had some questions as to how the process worked. Regards, Dave O'Brien From: Ted MacNEIL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 9/11/2008 2:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TDMF Questions My shop is now the proud owner of a HDS 9990V. We are however novices in the use of TDMF which the vendor has proposed as the transfer agent between our old and new DASD. Most of the time, the vendor includes conversion as part of the acquisition. If he didn't, or you negotiated it out, you're SOL. TDMF skills are rarely required more than once every three or four years. So, it's not economical to build the skill-set in-house. Can anyone point me to TDMF documentation? The product has moved from vendor to vendor over the last 3-4 years. But, if you can find it, the web-site is best. Although, iirc, you have to be a customer to access the doc. Has anyone run into any issues using TDMF on live data? NO. It's a very mature product. Any issues with HSM ML1 volumes, DB2, M204 volumes containing user catalogs volumes containing master cats Jes2 Spool No. And, you can include pagepacks, etc. We last used it two years ago, transfering 11.2 TB of data, all live -- no outages. Any advice, comments will be most appreciated. Get a specialist. Either through your vendor, or an external consultant. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TDMF Questions
Limit the number of concurrent volumes you move with TDMF (probably 5 volumes). It is a parameter in TDMF. This is very important for I/O intensive volumes For JES2 checkpoint, you need to be careful. Read the book or work with z/OS support group on this. If you move one volume/one checkpoint at a time, you should be ok It is a pretty good product. One more thing to remember, if you have replication going on, please be considerate, move few at a time, otherwise, you might overwhelm the replication cycle or miss your RPO Regards, Sridher -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TDMF Questions
David, My shop is now the proud owner of a HDS 9990V. We are however novices in the use of TDMF which the vendor has proposed as the transfer agent between our old and new DASD. Can anyone point me to TDMF documentation? Has anyone run into any issues using TDMF on live data? Any issues with HSM ML1 volumes, DB2, M204 volumes containing user catalogs volumes containing master cats Jes2 Spool Any advice, comments will be most appreciated. We don't have HSM but I have moved everything else on your list with TDMF to and from hds equipment. The vendor should provide you the user manual. There is a chapter called Special Considerations that details every danger point. Regards, John The current website is www.softek.com but you have to be licensed to get the docs. I thought you may have contracted with hds to migrate the data which is why I said get it from the vendor (hds). As Jim Chappel stated, IBM now owns the product. Regards, John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TDMF Questions
We are currently going from one EMC Storage array to another. We are running their product zMigrator which is LDMF which is based on TDMF. Basically we have not had any issues moving live volumes with this utility. Our applications (DB2 and CICS) are up and running while their data is being moved from one box to the other. Our system files were moved (JES2, SMF, SYSRES) without incident. It has been a very smooth transfer. We are not doing anything. The vendor is controlling all of the migration. Lizette Jim, John, Ted, Thank you for your responses. Yes, the data conversion is part of the package, we just had some questions as to how the process worked. Regards, Dave O'Brien From: Ted MacNEIL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 9/11/2008 2:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TDMF Questions My shop is now the proud owner of a HDS 9990V. We are however novices in the use of TDMF which the vendor has proposed as the transfer agent between our old and new DASD. Most of the time, the vendor includes conversion as part of the acquisition. If he didn't, or you negotiated it out, you're SOL. TDMF skills are rarely required more than once every three or four years. So, it's not economical to build the skill-set in-house. Can anyone point me to TDMF documentation? The product has moved from vendor to vendor over the last 3-4 years. But, if you can find it, the web-site is best. Although, iirc, you have to be a customer to access the doc. Has anyone run into any issues using TDMF on live data? NO. It's a very mature product. Any issues with HSM ML1 volumes, DB2, M204 volumes containing user catalogs volumes containing master cats Jes2 Spool No. And, you can include pagepacks, etc. We last used it two years ago, transfering 11.2 TB of data, all live -- no outages. Any advice, comments will be most appreciated. Get a specialist. Either through your vendor, or an external consultant. - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TDMF Questions
We are not doing anything. The vendor is controlling all of the migration. We monitored the first few migrations, then we left them alone. The jobs ran in the background, and nobody noticed. Of course, it helped that we were moving from ESCON to FICON. The only issue was we couldn't migrate from Mod-3's to -9's. It didn't support that, then. I don't know if it does now (or larger volumes). - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TDMF Questions
Limit the number of concurrent volumes you move with TDMF (probably 5 volumes). It is a parameter in TDMF. This is very important for I/O intensive volumes We didn't have problems, and each job moved 50 at a time. We did have high I/O intensity. For JES2 checkpoint, you need to be careful. Read the book or work with z/OS support group on this. If you move one volume/one checkpoint at a time, you should be ok That wasn't an issue, either. It is a pretty good product. One more thing to remember, if you have replication going on, please be considerate, move few at a time, otherwise, you might overwhelm the replication cycle or miss your RPO This one I can't speak to. But, we had no technical problems what-so-ever. We used an expert from the vendor we purchased the DASD from. Beware of the scare-mongers. The product is very robust, and has been for a few years. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TDMF Questions
One further question: We currently use FDR to backup our Z/VM and Linux volumes. Since the volumes are accessible to Z/os, will we be able to move VM and Linux volumes using TDMF? Thanks, Dave -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TDMF Questions
We currently use FDR to backup our Z/VM and Linux volumes. Since the volumes are accessible to Z/os, will we be able to move VM and Linux volumes using TDMF? You have a vendor supplied consultant doing the moves. Why don't you ask them? - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TDMF Questions
What makes you think that we haven't? We have. Their responsiveness is less than desired, besides the accumulated experience on this Listserv gives me a better sense of peace of mind than a vendor's assertion. The vendor in this case is not HDS. Just want to make that clear to protect the innocent. From: Ted MacNEIL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 9/11/2008 4:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TDMF Questions We currently use FDR to backup our Z/VM and Linux volumes. Since the volumes are accessible to Z/os, will we be able to move VM and Linux volumes using TDMF? You have a vendor supplied consultant doing the moves. Why don't you ask them? - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TDMF Questions
David, One further question: We currently use FDR to backup our Z/VM and Linux volumes. Since the volumes are accessible to Z/os, will we be able to move VM and Linux volumes using TDMF? Thanks, Dave Dang, you made me look at the manual. The name of the manual is Installation and Reference Guide. Chapter 4 Planning Considerations says it can move vm formatted volume(s) but the volume(s) must be varied offline to all attached vm systems. There is no mention of linux in the manual. Regards, John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TDMF Questions
Thanks John, Hopefully at some point I'll have access to the manual. From: John Kington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 9/11/2008 4:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TDMF Questions David, One further question: We currently use FDR to backup our Z/VM and Linux volumes. Since the volumes are accessible to Z/os, will we be able to move VM and Linux volumes using TDMF? Thanks, Dave Dang, you made me look at the manual. The name of the manual is Installation and Reference Guide. Chapter 4 Planning Considerations says it can move vm formatted volume(s) but the volume(s) must be varied offline to all attached vm systems. There is no mention of linux in the manual. Regards, John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TDMF Questions
Thanks John, Hopefully at some point I'll have access to the manual. Unless you're going to become a TDMF expert, why do you need access to the manual? That's what your expert's for. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TDMF Questions
What makes you think that we haven't? We have. Their responsiveness is less than desired, besides the accumulated experience on this Listserv gives me a better sense of peace of mind than a vendor's assertion. The vendor in this case is not HDS. Just want to make that clear to protect the innocent. Sorry, no offense intended. But, there's nothing to indicate you've done that. Why are you going to the point of pointing out it's not HDS? With all three DASD vendors, I've never had a problem. I've asked and they've answered. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TDMF Questions
oreConfigSkeleton as well; we
might be able to use that. it gets emitted when writeConfig() is
called... s ... we could do sth like:
* connect d-configXml configChanged to a configChanged signal (or slot?)
* create dialog using d-configXml
* writeConfig gets called by the dialog (for free) and that triggers
things
I'll write a patch based on this and test it with html applet.
Petri, since you're working on an html based applet, would you mind
coming up with an example patch to the webkit appletscript engine that
would work for you as a consumer of that api?
Diff attached is very much work in progress, but it's a start. At least I
would like to do something to following issues:
+WebAppletPackage::WebAppletPackage(QObject *parent, QVariantList args)
+: Plasma::PackageStructure(parent, Web)
+{
+Q_UNUSED(args)
+addFileDefinition(webpage, html/index.html, i18n(Main Html));
+setRequired(webpage, true);
+addFileDefinition(mainconfigui, ui/config.ui, i18n(Config user
interface));
+addFileDefinition(mainconfigxml, config/config.kcfg, i18n(Config xml
definition));
+addFileDefinition(screenshot, screenshot.png, i18n(Screenshot));
+}
personally, to keep the proper semantics in place for UI, config, etc, i'd do
something like:
// copy the main applet structure
(*this) = Applet::packageStructure();
// now add our own stuff
addFileDefinition(webpage, html/index.html, i18n(Main Html));
*that* said ... what's wrong with simply having code/main the same as
html/index.html, and stuffing the rest of the html files into code/?
-K_EXPORT_PLASMA_APPLETSCRIPTENGINE(webapplet, WebApplet)
+K_EXPORT_PLASMA_APPLETSCRIPTENGINE(webkit, PlasmaWebApplet)
if we're going to do this, then we really all the Plasma specific methods
should be moved to PlasmaWebApplet, e.g. dataUpdated, dataFor, configAccepted..
why are you managing the engines yourself instead of letting the Applet* you
are given do that for you? that's a lot of duplicated code that's unecessary.
the direction is good, though.
- css from plasma theme colors (Or could plasma theme have some default
stylesheet, that would benefit news applet too)?
that could be a nice idea, yes.. a whole other realm of exploration though, as
we'd then have to define set CSS entries.
- Background does not work currently.
... define?
- more applet functions (setBackgroundHints, resize, etc.)
into the JS API you mean?
- Is it ok that dashboard widgets get all the plasma functionality too? Or
should this be a separate scriptengine.
which plasma functionality, exactly? it could only be things we do
automatically, as the Dashboard widgets will not see any adjustments to their
API (they are not coded for plasma =)
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