VATLST00

2008-09-24 Thread Kurt Eastwood 
Hello,
 
I would like to pass a situation by everyone to get their opinon of an issue I 
am having. I have opened an issue with IBM but many heads are better than 1.
 
We are getting some new dasd and after the dasd is installed I am to run an 
ICKDSF REFORMAT with the REFVTOC parm against all the dasd, per the dasd 
manufacturer.
 
I tested this on a test machine against a few volumes and found that my MVSCAT 
volume is mounted as STORAGE and the ICKDSF does not like this, it wants it 
mounted PRIVATE. This is the only volume mounted as STORAGE. My VATLST00 is as 
follows:
 
VATDEF IPLUSE(PRIVATE),SYSUSE(PRIVATE)
MVSCAT,1,0,3390    ,Y 
DLIB02,1,2,3390    ,Y 
DLIB03,1,2,3390    ,Y 
MVSDLB,1,2,3390    ,Y 
MVSRES,1,2,3390    ,Y 
TARG02,1,2,3390    ,Y 
TARG03,1,2,3390    ,Y 

I took over this system from someone else and do not know why this was set up 
to be mounted STORAGE. 
 
It looks like I could shut down the system, ipl a stand alone ICKDSF and run 
the REFORMAT but that seems like a last resort to me.
 
The system master catalog does reside on MVSCAT as do other data sets.
 
Is there a reason to have this mounted as STORAGE?
 
Are there system datasets that are required to be on a volume mounted STORAGE?
 
Can I change this MVSCAT to be mounted as PRIVATE and re-ipl without causing 
issues since it has been this way for a while?
 
Is there a requirement to have at least one volume mounted as STORAGE in 
VATLST00?
 
Thanks to everyone in advance for your help.
Kurt
 
 




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Re: VATLST00

2008-09-24 Thread Mark Zelden 
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:53:59 -0700, Kurt Eastwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Hello,
> 
>I would like to pass a situation by everyone to get their opinon of an
issue I am having. I have opened an issue with IBM but many heads are better
than 1.
> 
>We are getting some new dasd and after the dasd is installed I am to run an
ICKDSF REFORMAT with the REFVTOC parm against all the dasd, per the dasd
manufacturer.
> 
>I tested this on a test machine against a few volumes and found that my
MVSCAT volume is mounted as STORAGE and the ICKDSF does not like this, it
wants it mounted PRIVATE. This is the only volume mounted as STORAGE. My
VATLST00 is as follows:
> 
>VATDEF IPLUSE(PRIVATE),SYSUSE(PRIVATE)
>MVSCAT,1,0,3390    ,Y 
>DLIB02,1,2,3390    ,Y 
>DLIB03,1,2,3390    ,Y 
>MVSDLB,1,2,3390    ,Y 
>MVSRES,1,2,3390    ,Y 
>TARG02,1,2,3390    ,Y 
>TARG03,1,2,3390    ,Y 
>
>I took over this system from someone else and do not know why this was set
up to be mounted STORAGE. 
> 
>It looks like I could shut down the system, ipl a stand alone ICKDSF and
run the REFORMAT but that seems like a last resort to me.
> 
>The system master catalog does reside on MVSCAT as do other data sets.
> 
>Is there a reason to have this mounted as STORAGE?
> 
>Are there system datasets that are required to be on a volume mounted STORAGE?
> 
>Can I change this MVSCAT to be mounted as PRIVATE and re-ipl without
causing issues since it has been this way for a while?
> 
>Is there a requirement to have at least one volume mounted as STORAGE in
VATLST00?
> 
>Thanks to everyone in advance for your help.
>Kurt
> 
> 



At least one volume needs to be mounted public or storage for temporary
data sets in order to logon to TSO.  If SMS is controlling temporary 
data sets, then this is not a requirement.  So it probably has its place
in history and is not needed.

You can change it with a mount command - no need to IPL.

M /cuua,VOL=(SL,MVSCAT),USE=PRIVATE   

Don't forget to change the VATLST assuming this doesn't cause
a problem.

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Re: VATLST00

2008-09-24 Thread Field, Alan C. 
You didn't say what release of z/OS you're on, or whether you have SMS active. 

This is our VATLSTxx member (one line):

VATDEF IPLUSE(PRIVATE),SYSUSE(PRIVATE)

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Subject: VATLST00

Hello,
 
I would like to pass a situation by everyone to get their opinon of an issue I 
am having. I have opened an issue with IBM but many heads are better than 1.
 
We are getting some new dasd and after the dasd is installed I am to run an 
ICKDSF REFORMAT with the REFVTOC parm against all the dasd, per the dasd 
manufacturer.
 
I tested this on a test machine against a few volumes and found that my MVSCAT 
volume is mounted as STORAGE and the ICKDSF does not like this, it wants it 
mounted PRIVATE. This is the only volume mounted as STORAGE. My VATLST00 is as 
follows:
 
VATDEF IPLUSE(PRIVATE),SYSUSE(PRIVATE)
MVSCAT,1,0,3390    ,Y 
DLIB02,1,2,3390    ,Y 
DLIB03,1,2,3390    ,Y 
MVSDLB,1,2,3390    ,Y 
MVSRES,1,2,3390    ,Y 
TARG02,1,2,3390    ,Y 
TARG03,1,2,3390    ,Y 

I took over this system from someone else and do not know why this was set up 
to be mounted STORAGE. 
 
It looks like I could shut down the system, ipl a stand alone ICKDSF and run 
the REFORMAT but that seems like a last resort to me.
 
The system master catalog does reside on MVSCAT as do other data sets.
 
Is there a reason to have this mounted as STORAGE?
 
Are there system datasets that are required to be on a volume mounted STORAGE?
 
Can I change this MVSCAT to be mounted as PRIVATE and re-ipl without causing 
issues since it has been this way for a while?
 
Is there a requirement to have at least one volume mounted as STORAGE in 
VATLST00?
 
Thanks to everyone in advance for your help.
Kurt
 
 


  

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Re: VATLST00

2008-09-24 Thread Kurt Eastwood 
We are running z/OS 1.8 and SMS is active.
Kurt


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From: Field, Alan C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: VATLST00
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Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 8:03 PM

You didn't say what release of z/OS you're on, or whether you have SMS
active. 

This is our VATLSTxx member (one line):

VATDEF IPLUSE(PRIVATE),SYSUSE(PRIVATE)

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Kurt Eastwood
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 14:54
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: VATLST00

Hello,
 
I would like to pass a situation by everyone to get their opinon of an issue I
am having. I have opened an issue with IBM but many heads are better than 1..
 
We are getting some new dasd and after the dasd is installed I am to run an
ICKDSF REFORMAT with the REFVTOC parm against all the dasd, per the dasd
manufacturer.
 
I tested this on a test machine against a few volumes and found that my MVSCAT
volume is mounted as STORAGE and the ICKDSF does not like this, it wants it
mounted PRIVATE. This is the only volume mounted as STORAGE. My VATLST00 is as
follows:
 
VATDEF IPLUSE(PRIVATE),SYSUSE(PRIVATE)
MVSCAT,1,0,3390    ,Y 
DLIB02,1,2,3390    ,Y 
DLIB03,1,2,3390    ,Y 
MVSDLB,1,2,3390    ,Y 
MVSRES,1,2,3390    ,Y 
TARG02,1,2,3390    ,Y 
TARG03,1,2,3390    ,Y 

I took over this system from someone else and do not know why this was set up
to be mounted STORAGE. 
 
It looks like I could shut down the system, ipl a stand alone ICKDSF and run
the REFORMAT but that seems like a last resort to me.
 
The system master catalog does reside on MVSCAT as do other data sets.
 
Is there a reason to have this mounted as STORAGE?
 
Are there system datasets that are required to be on a volume mounted STORAGE?
 
Can I change this MVSCAT to be mounted as PRIVATE and re-ipl without causing
issues since it has been this way for a while?
 
Is there a requirement to have at least one volume mounted as STORAGE in
VATLST00?
 
Thanks to everyone in advance for your help.
Kurt
 
 


  

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Re: VATLST00

2008-09-24 Thread Wissink, Brad [ITSYS] 
Can you use the Mount command to change the usage to private

M ,VOL=(SL,MVSCAT),USE=PRIVATE  where  is the unit address

We run SMS and still have a storage volume.  It is used by temporary data sets 
that fall outside SMS assignment.  For us one such product is HCD.  It 
allocates a log file that does not fit our naming standards, but instead of 
trying to fix it we just let it allocate to the storage volume.  


Brad Wissink
Information Technology Services
Iowa State University
515-294-3088

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Eastwood
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 2:54 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: VATLST00

Hello,
 
I would like to pass a situation by everyone to get their opinon of an issue I 
am having. I have opened an issue with IBM but many heads are better than 1.
 
We are getting some new dasd and after the dasd is installed I am to run an 
ICKDSF REFORMAT with the REFVTOC parm against all the dasd, per the dasd 
manufacturer.
 
I tested this on a test machine against a few volumes and found that my MVSCAT 
volume is mounted as STORAGE and the ICKDSF does not like this, it wants it 
mounted PRIVATE. This is the only volume mounted as STORAGE. My VATLST00 is as 
follows:
 
VATDEF IPLUSE(PRIVATE),SYSUSE(PRIVATE)
MVSCAT,1,0,3390    ,Y
DLIB02,1,2,3390    ,Y
DLIB03,1,2,3390    ,Y
MVSDLB,1,2,3390    ,Y
MVSRES,1,2,3390    ,Y
TARG02,1,2,3390    ,Y
TARG03,1,2,3390    ,Y 

I took over this system from someone else and do not know why this was set up 
to be mounted STORAGE. 
 
It looks like I could shut down the system, ipl a stand alone ICKDSF and run 
the REFORMAT but that seems like a last resort to me.
 
The system master catalog does reside on MVSCAT as do other data sets.
 
Is there a reason to have this mounted as STORAGE?
 
Are there system datasets that are required to be on a volume mounted STORAGE?
 
Can I change this MVSCAT to be mounted as PRIVATE and re-ipl without causing 
issues since it has been this way for a while?
 
Is there a requirement to have at least one volume mounted as STORAGE in 
VATLST00?
 
Thanks to everyone in advance for your help.
Kurt
 
 


  

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Re: VATLST00

2008-09-24 Thread Ted MacNEIL 
>It looks like I could shut down the system, ipl a stand alone ICKDSF and run 
>the REFORMAT but that seems like a last resort to me.

You can use the MOUNT to change the STORAGE attribute, change the VAT; no IPL 
required.

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Re: VATLST00

2008-09-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) 
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 09/24/2008
   at 12:53 PM, Kurt Eastwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>I tested this on a test machineÿagainst a few volumes and found that my
>MVSCAT volume is mounted as STORAGE and the ICKDSF does not like this,

Neither do I ;-)


>I took over this system from someone else and do not know why this was
>set up to be mounted STORAGE. 

Severe DASD shortage?

>It looks like I could shut down the system, ipl a stand alone ICKDSF and
>run the REFORMAT but that seems like a last resort to me.

Also unnecessary; use MOUNT.

>Is there a reason to have this mounted as STORAGE?

Not from an MVS perspective, and there are good reasons not to.

>Are there system datasets that are required to be on a volume mounted
>STORAGE?

No; STORAGE only apples to allocating new data sets to nonspecific
volumes.

>Can I change this MVSCAT to be mounted as PRIVATE and re-ipl without
>causing issues since it has been this way for a while?

Is there another storage volume? Does anybody need a (non-SMS) storage
volume? IAC, you don't need an IPL to change it.

>Is there a requirement to have at least one volume mounted as STORAGE in
>VATLST00?

That depends on your SMS setup, but there's certainly no requirement for a
system volume to be STORAGE.
 
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Re: VATLST00

2008-09-25 Thread R.S. 

Kurt Eastwood wrote:

We are running z/OS 1.8 and SMS is active.


It's not enough. The question was "Are temporary datasets managed by 
SMS?" If not then you need some disks mounted as STORAGE.
If SMS does manage temporary datasets, then it is not required, but 
still allowed.


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Re: VATLST00

2008-09-25 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) 
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 09/25/2008
   at 11:31 AM, "R.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>It's not enough. The question was "Are temporary datasets managed by 
>SMS?" If not then you need some disks mounted as STORAGE.

Nonsense; PUBLIC is good enough for temporary data sets. He needs STORAGE
for new permanent non-SMS data sets. Of course, if he has no PUBLIC
volumes then he can use STORAGE volumes for both, and even if he has
PUBLIC volumes that won't keep temporaries off of the STORAGE volumes.
 
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Re: VATLST00

2008-09-25 Thread Jeff Holst 
That VATLST00 you listed looks suspiciously like the one you get from IBM 
with a driver system when you first installed MVS/OS/390/z/OS. I am willing to 
bet that it was never customized after that initial install.

Jeff

>Hello,
> 
>I would like to pass a situation by everyone to get their opinon of an issue I 
am having. I have opened an issue with IBM but many heads are better than 1.
> 
>We are getting some new dasd and after the dasd is installed I am to run an 
ICKDSF REFORMAT with the REFVTOC parm against all the dasd, per the dasd 
manufacturer.
> 
>I tested this on a test machine against a few volumes and found that my 
MVSCAT volume is mounted as STORAGE and the ICKDSF does not like this, it 
wants it mounted PRIVATE. This is the only volume mounted as STORAGE. My 
VATLST00 is as follows:
> 
>VATDEF IPLUSE(PRIVATE),SYSUSE(PRIVATE)
>MVSCAT,1,0,3390    ,Y 
>DLIB02,1,2,3390    ,Y 
>DLIB03,1,2,3390    ,Y 
>MVSDLB,1,2,3390    ,Y 
>MVSRES,1,2,3390    ,Y 
>TARG02,1,2,3390    ,Y 
>TARG03,1,2,3390    ,Y 
>
>I took over this system from someone else and do not know why this was set 
up to be mounted STORAGE. 
> 
>It looks like I could shut down the system, ipl a stand alone ICKDSF and run 
the REFORMAT but that seems like a last resort to me.
> 
>The system master catalog does reside on MVSCAT as do other data sets.
> 
>Is there a reason to have this mounted as STORAGE?
> 
>Are there system datasets that are required to be on a volume mounted 
STORAGE?
> 
>Can I change this MVSCAT to be mounted as PRIVATE and re-ipl without 
causing issues since it has been this way for a while?
> 
>Is there a requirement to have at least one volume mounted as STORAGE in 
VATLST00?
> 
>Thanks to everyone in advance for your help.
>Kurt
> 
> 



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