Re: VTS Management and Migration

2007-06-04 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM


Mark Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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 We are looking into two products, VDR (Virtual Data Recovery)  VTAR 
 (Virtual Tape Advanced Recall) from OpenTech Systems to both manage
our 
 3494 Virtual Tape environment and as an aid in migration to TS7700 
 technology.
 
 Does anyone have any experience  using these products or  know of any 
 other products on the market.
 
 I just heard about this project and I don't know anything about these 
 products.
 
 -- 
 Mark Jacobs
 Technical Services

Along with CA-1 and TLMS comes a product called COPYCAT. I use it to
migrate our STK tape data to the TS7700. It works great, takes care of
multivolume, multifile, multivolume/multifile constructs and fully
updates the CA-1 TMC after migration.

Kees.
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Re: VTS Management and Migration

2007-06-04 Thread Darth Keller
Mark Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 We are looking into two products, VDR (Virtual Data Recovery)  VTAR 
 (Virtual Tape Advanced Recall) from OpenTech Systems to both manage
our 
 3494 Virtual Tape environment and as an aid in migration to TS7700 
 technology.
 
 Does anyone have any experience  using these products or  know of any 
 other products on the market.
 
 I just heard about this project and I don't know anything about these 
 products.
 
 -- 
 Mark Jacobs
 Technical Services



I used TapeCopy to migrate from old to new virtual tape systems - it 
worked flawlessly.  I finished weeks ahead of schedule.

We still have some customers who insist on receiving tapes rather than 
file transmissions.  We didn't like the idea of generating the data on a 
tape and then sending that 1 copy offsite to the vendor.  So we set up a 
process using TapeCopy where the applications writes their dataset to 
virtual tape and then the tape  librarians mail a copy made with TapeCopy 
off to the customer.  We always have the original onsite in case of any 
dispute or need to send another copy.

Almost all of our application tape datasets are written to the virtual 
tape system and then stacked on what we call a container tapes (300GB ea) 
using VDR.  At DR we recover the last week to 10 days worth of data into a 

VTS.  If we have an application that needs data older than that, we 
recover it as needed.  It all works very smoothly, although it does take 
some time to recover that amount of data.  Using VDR also gives us the 
advantage when an application needs both an onsite and offsite copy of the 

same data - they create it once and then we create the offsite copy for 
them.  We use CA1 vault codes to drive the process and stack data with 
similar expiration characteristics - it's not perfect but works pretty 
well.

If you want more detailed info, please feel free to contact me offlist.
darth keller
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Re: VTS Management and Migration

2007-06-04 Thread Gabe Torres
Mark,
  We are in the midst of a migration using FATSCOPY. The product seems
to be accomplishing the migration with few problems.  Some issues to
watch out for are VTS Tapes created by sub-systems that record the
volser somewhere inside the subsystem.  The data may be migrated to
another volume (In our case, a complete new Volser Range) and recorded
fine in RMM/TLMS, but the subsystem still has pointers to the old
volume.  

Some of these were DB2, SAR, and HSM.  These will require more
research/solutions.

gabe





Does anyone have any experience  using these products or  know of any
other products on the market.

I just heard about this project and I don't know anything about these
products.

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Re: VTS Management and Migration

2007-06-04 Thread Mark Jacobs

Darth Keller wrote:

Mark Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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We are looking into two products, VDR (Virtual Data Recovery)  VTAR 
(Virtual Tape Advanced Recall) from OpenTech Systems to both manage

our 
  
3494 Virtual Tape environment and as an aid in migration to TS7700 
technology.


Does anyone have any experience  using these products or  know of any 
other products on the market.


I just heard about this project and I don't know anything about these 
products.


--
Mark Jacobs
Technical Services



I used TapeCopy to migrate from old to new virtual tape systems - it 
worked flawlessly.  I finished weeks ahead of schedule.


  

snip

Can you expand on what you mean by TapeCopy?

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Re: VTS Management and Migration

2007-06-04 Thread Darth Keller
snip
 

 I used TapeCopy to migrate from old to new virtual tape systems - it 
 worked flawlessly.  I finished weeks ahead of schedule.

 
Can you expand on what you mean by TapeCopy?

snip

I believe Tape/Copy is the 'base product' from OpenTech and VDR is an 
extra cost feature - although I didn't see anything in my quick check of 
their website that specifically confirmed that.  Their website is very 
informative  helpfuly  has some very nice, helpful brochures with 
pictures.  I always like pictures.
http://www.opentechsystems.com/

We also looked at their VTAR product, but Mgmt decided to go without it. 
There is a recycle process that goes along with all the VDR processing 
where VTAR would be very helpful by pre-staging the virtual tapes back 
into the VTS buffer.

Someone else did raise a caution about products like SAR that keep track 
of tape volser's internally and I do remember that we did have to work 
around a couple of those products.  It's been a while now, but I think 
with SAR the SysProg responsible was able to update the database  tell it 
where the moved datasets were.  I don't remember doing anything special 
with the HSM tapes, but that could be due more to a failing memory as a 
result of the early onset of old age than the project itself. 

I do know that we tried to point our ABARS tapes into the VTS and then use 
VDR for them, had issues, and had to re-direct them back to physical tape. 
 I know that OpenTech has made updates to account for any problems we had 
with the ABARS tapes, but I've not had any time to go back  test every 
thing out again.  We're not a very big ABARS shop, so there's not been a 
lot pressure to put these tapes back into the VTS.  Its on my list of 
things to due in my copious spare time.
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VTS Management and Migration

2007-06-01 Thread Mark Jacobs
We are looking into two products, VDR (Virtual Data Recovery)  VTAR 
(Virtual Tape Advanced Recall) from OpenTech Systems to both manage our 
3494 Virtual Tape environment and as an aid in migration to TS7700 
technology.


Does anyone have any experience  using these products or  know of any 
other products on the market.


I just heard about this project and I don't know anything about these 
products.


--
Mark Jacobs
Technical Services
Time Customer Service - Tampa, FL
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she's still trying to lift that stone after it has crushed her.
She's a father going down to a dull office job while cancer is 
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check for the kids. She's a twelve-year-old girl trying to mother her
baby brothers and sisters because Mama had to go to Heaven. She's a 
switchboard operator sticking to her job while smoke is choking her 
and the fire is cutting off her escape. She's all the unsung heroes

who couldn't quite cut it but never quit.*

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*Referring to the Auguste Rodin sculpture, Caryatid Who Has Fallen under Her Stone 


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