Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?
In 543340.6949...@web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com, on 05/27/2011 at 01:54 PM, Ed Gould ps2...@yahoo.com said: My loose memory of it was the length of one cartridge was around 100 feet (it could have been more). My memory also indicates that the 2321 and the 3850 were at least 10+ years apart and the magnetic cartridge ribbon would have been at least a generation apart in IBM and they probably had little or nothing in common (other than being magnetic recording device) My memory says the r/w mechanism was of a helico type (like a VCR?). All of that accords with my memory. Unfortunetly all the 3850 stuff was thrown out last week by a friend of mine. I've done, and regretted, the same thing. Had I know that bitsavers and computer museums would come along, I'd have hung on to, e.g., my 650 manuals. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?
---snip- Ed Gould wrote: From: Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 1:53:50 PM Subject: Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon? -snip-- Ahhh! The memorable Mass Storage System. Pluck, shuck, and play. ITYM data cell, AKA noodle picker (2321). The MSS used cartridges. ---unsnip--- Rumor had it at one time: the MSS cartridges contained all the left-over tape from the 2321 strips. Seems that the tape was over-stocked 'cuz the 2321 never took off like someone hoped it would. (Never mind that a random seek test from OLTs would dance it all around the computer room floor!) :-) Rick Rick: I assume you meant that as a joke. The tape that was inside a 3850 cartridge was considerably longer than a 2321 (my memory of the 2321 is slim but IIRC the tape was about 15 inches. The tape inside a 3850 data cartridge was at least 25 feet but could have been 75' or so. If you ever saw the insides of an operting MSS the tape station was zig-zag (IIRC) and it wen back and forth at least twice each distance was about 3 feet (total 12 ft?). Each cartridge was 1/2 of a 3330-1 (NOT-11) . Ed unsnip-- No joke. tape was supposedly purchased in 10,000' reels and cut to the appropriate length in the facility that manufactured 3850 cartridges. I have one of those cartridges, but I've neer bothered to try and measure the tape length. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?
Rick: My loose memory of it was the length of one cartridge was around 100 feet (it could have been more). My memory also indicates that the 2321 and the 3850 were at least 10+ years apart and the magnetic cartridge ribbon would have been at least a generation apart in IBM and they probably had little or nothing in common (other than being magnetic recording device) My memory says the r/w mechanism was of a helico type (like a VCR?). Unfortunetly all the 3850 stuff was thrown out last week by a friend of mine. He was(is) a true pack rat and he finally said that no one would ever ask about it. He said he may have a cartridge left but it is really back in the of the pile he has saved. If he comes up with it and tells me for sure I will pass it on. Also, my memory of the 2321 was that the tape was a little more stiff than the 3850 MSS cartridge. That sounds reasonable to me as the cartridge in the MSS had to be a lot more fleible as the r/w mechanism was spinning quite fast and the tape had to move quickly over the mechanism. Ed From: Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 3:24:18 PM Subject: Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon? ---snip- Ed Gould wrote: From: Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 1:53:50 PM Subject: Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon? -snip-- Ahhh! The memorable Mass Storage System. Pluck, shuck, and play. ITYM data cell, AKA noodle picker (2321). The MSS used cartridges. ---unsnip--- Rumor had it at one time: the MSS cartridges contained all the left-over tape from the 2321 strips. Seems that the tape was over-stocked 'cuz the 2321 never took off like someone hoped it would. (Never mind that a random seek test from OLTs would dance it all around the computer room floor!) :-) Rick Rick: I assume you meant that as a joke. The tape that was inside a 3850 cartridge was considerably longer than a 2321 (my memory of the 2321 is slim but IIRC the tape was about 15 inches. The tape inside a 3850 data cartridge was at least 25 feet but could have been 75' or so. If you ever saw the insides of an operting MSS the tape station was zig-zag (IIRC) and it wen back and forth at least twice each distance was about 3 feet (total 12 ft?). Each cartridge was 1/2 of a 3330-1 (NOT-11) . Ed unsnip-- No joke. tape was supposedly purchased in 10,000' reels and cut to the appropriate length in the facility that manufactured 3850 cartridges. I have one of those cartridges, but I've neer bothered to try and measure the tape length. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?
In 4dda71fd.5090...@trainersfriend.com, on 05/23/2011 at 08:41 AM, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com said: Ahhh! The memorable Mass Storage System. Pluck, shuck, and play. ITYM data cell, AKA noodle picker (2321). The MSS used cartridges. ISTR it was the 3950, The MSS was the 3850, one component of which was the 3851. I'm not aware of anything with the number 3950. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?
On 5/26/2011 10:56 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In4dda71fd.5090...@trainersfriend.com, on 05/23/2011 at 08:41 AM, Steve Comstockst...@trainersfriend.com said: Ahhh! The memorable Mass Storage System. Pluck, shuck, and play. ITYM data cell, AKA noodle picker (2321). The MSS used cartridges. I know the data cell, but I was not referring to it. The MSS used cartridges; the robot plucked a cartridge from the honeycomb of cells, moved to an available reader, shucked the pastic protective cover, and the reader wound the tape around the R/W mechanism. ISTR it was the 3950, The MSS was the 3850, one component of which was the 3851. I'm not aware of anything with the number 3950. Right. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our new tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?
Steve didn't mention the next step: call the CE. ;-( . . JO.Skip Robinson SCE Infrastructure Technology Services Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 05/26/2011 10:14 AM Subject:Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu On 5/26/2011 10:56 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In4dda71fd.5090...@trainersfriend.com, on 05/23/2011 at 08:41 AM, Steve Comstockst...@trainersfriend.com said: Ahhh! The memorable Mass Storage System. Pluck, shuck, and play. ITYM data cell, AKA noodle picker (2321). The MSS used cartridges. I know the data cell, but I was not referring to it. The MSS used cartridges; the robot plucked a cartridge from the honeycomb of cells, moved to an available reader, shucked the pastic protective cover, and the reader wound the tape around the R/W mechanism. ISTR it was the 3950, The MSS was the 3850, one component of which was the 3851. I'm not aware of anything with the number 3950. Right. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?
On 5/26/2011 11:19 AM, Skip Robinson wrote: Steve didn't mention the next step: call the CE. ;-( Hah! If you were there, you recall those were dangerous machines for CEs. Nearly had one mauled by a robot that someone hadn't disabled before doing maintenance. .. .. JO.Skip Robinson SCE Infrastructure Technology Services Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: Steve Comstockst...@trainersfriend.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 05/26/2011 10:14 AM Subject:Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion ListIBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu On 5/26/2011 10:56 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In4dda71fd.5090...@trainersfriend.com, on 05/23/2011 at 08:41 AM, Steve Comstockst...@trainersfriend.com said: Ahhh! The memorable Mass Storage System. Pluck, shuck, and play. ITYM data cell, AKA noodle picker (2321). The MSS used cartridges. I know the data cell, but I was not referring to it. The MSS used cartridges; the robot plucked a cartridge from the honeycomb of cells, moved to an available reader, shucked the pastic protective cover, and the reader wound the tape around the R/W mechanism. ISTR it was the 3950, The MSS was the 3850, one component of which was the 3851. I'm not aware of anything with the number 3950. Right. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our new tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?
On 23 May 2011 11:48, Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com wrote: st...@trainersfriend.com (Steve Comstock) writes: Ahhh! The memorable Mass Storage System. Pluck, shuck, and play. ISTR it was the 3950, but I could be wrong. I wrote training for it back when I was with IBM; even had it translated into German. But I can't find the books now (this was 1974-75 after all). close, 3850 http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/storage/storage_3850.html We think it's nifty, our thirty-eight fifty, With cartridges, disks, and more! It's real expensive, with storage galore. It's so extensive, it takes up a floor. No files we're staging, no files we're aging. That's not what we got it for. We won't deny it, we had to buy it, to out-do the shop next door. From the SHARE song book. Sung to the tune Four Leaf Clover. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?
-snip-- Ahhh! The memorable Mass Storage System. Pluck, shuck, and play. ITYM data cell, AKA noodle picker (2321). The MSS used cartridges. ---unsnip--- Rumor had it at one time: the MSS cartridges contained all the left-over tape from the 2321 strips. Seems that the tape was over-stocked 'cuz the 2321 never took off like someone hoped it would. (Never mind that a random seek test from OLTs would dance it all around the computer room floor!) :-) Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?
In 4ddea1be.1060...@ync.net, on 05/26/2011 at 01:53 PM, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net said: (Never mind that a random seek test from OLTs would dance it all around the computer room floor!) :-) You could do that with some disk drives. BTDTGTTS -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?
In 4dde8a2c.3090...@trainersfriend.com, on 05/26/2011 at 11:13 AM, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com said: I know the data cell, but I was not referring to it. I;d never encountered the term pluck in the context of extracting a cartridge, only in the context of extracting a strip. Was that usage common? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?
From: Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 1:53:50 PM Subject: Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon? -snip-- Ahhh! The memorable Mass Storage System. Pluck, shuck, and play. ITYM data cell, AKA noodle picker (2321). The MSS used cartridges. ---unsnip--- Rumor had it at one time: the MSS cartridges contained all the left-over tape from the 2321 strips. Seems that the tape was over-stocked 'cuz the 2321 never took off like someone hoped it would. (Never mind that a random seek test from OLTs would dance it all around the computer room floor!) :-) Rick Rick: I assume you meant that as a joke. The tape that was inside a 3850 cartridge was considerably longer than a 2321 (my memory of the 2321 is slim but IIRC the tape was about 15 inches. The tape inside a 3850 data cartridge was at least 25 feet but could have been 75' or so. If you ever saw the insides of an operting MSS the tape station was zig-zag (IIRC) and it wen back and forth at least twice each distance was about 3 feet (total 12 ft?). Each cartridge was 1/2 of a 3330-1 (NOT-11) . Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?
rfocht...@ync.net (Rick Fochtman) writes: Rumor had it at one time: the MSS cartridges contained all the left-over tape from the 2321 strips. Seems that the tape was over-stocked 'cuz the 2321 never took off like someone hoped it would. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#36 2321 capacity was 400mbyte. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_2321_Data_Cell length of 2321 strip was height of a cell http://www.columbia.edu/acis/history/datacell.html ibm 2321 archives: http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/storage/storage_2321.html 3850 cartridge was about 50mbytes http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/storage/storage_3850.html http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/attic3/attic3_019.html ... the smallest 3850 had 706 cartidges or 35B bytes and the largest held 472B bytes. more 3850 http://www.columbia.edu/acis/history/mss.html ... 2000 cartidges of 50MB each, it was used to hold the entire 1980 USA Census and was made available to users of Columbia's IBM mainframe single 3850 likely held more than total of all the 2321s strips made. when I was undergraduate, the univ. library got an ONR grant to do online catalog ... part of the money was used to get a 2321. the project was also selected to betatest for the original CICS product ... and I got tasked to support/debug that CICS installation. misc. past posts mentioning bdam /or cics http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#cics -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?
It's 01:30 local time. I can't sleep. So I'm likely insane. But I'm wondering if anybody knows of an __easy__ way to send z/OS SYSLOG messages to the UNIX syslog daemon? Sending the UNIX syslog daemon output to the z/OS SYSLOG is simple - log to the /dev/console UNIX file. What has occurred to me is write a subsystem and get WTO/WTOR messages directed to it via SSI function code 9: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2F280/6.1.3 but this is not __easy___. It may be one of the better ways, but is likely also one of the most difficult. Another possibility that occurred to me is to take the sample IEATOPS REXX program and modify it so that it runs as an STC and simply relays the lines it receives via the TSO/E CONSOLE getmsg function to the (local or remote) UNIX syslog via TCPIP. But this means using RXSOCKETS. Which is not easy. Not super difficult, but I'm not familiar with it. We don't have the C compiler licensed, so using it is not a possibility. I have read that it is possible to use the C subroutines in COBOL. That might make using the C language support for the UNIX syslog available. But the rest of the coding would be difficult in COBOL. Why do I want such a thing? (1) insanity; (2) an equivalent of an operlog like facility on a basic sysplex or between differing parallel sysplexes; (3) to send the z/OS SYSLOG to a UNIX platform for analysis. One possible problem/issue/stupid thing to do would be to direct the z/OS UNIX syslog daemon output to the z/OS SYSLOG while capturing the UNIX syslog daemon output to the z/OS SYSLOG. Can you say feedback loop? -- John McKown Maranatha! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?
On Mon, 23 May 2011 01:56:33 -0500 John McKown wrote: It's 01:30 local time. I can't sleep. So I'm likely insane. s/[[:space:]]+likely// ;-) Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?
On Mon, 23 May 2011 01:56:33 -0500, John McKown joa...@swbell.net wrote: It's 01:30 local time. I can't sleep. So I'm likely insane. No comment. :-) But I'm wondering if anybody knows of an __easy__ way to send z/OS SYSLOG messages to the UNIX syslog daemon? Sending the UNIX syslog daemon output to the z/OS SYSLOG is simple - log to the /dev/console UNIX file. snip Instead of running UNIX under z/OS, I think you need to start working on running MVS under *nix. If you start writing it now, you may have it done before you retire.I'm sure Paul G. will be more than happy to help. :-) Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?
On Mon, 23 May 2011 08:42:25 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote: Instead of running UNIX under z/OS, I think you need to start working on running MVS under *nix. If you start writing it now, you may have it done before you retire.I'm sure Paul G. will be more than happy to help. :-) I'll cede that to the admirable work of Don Higgins: http://www.z390.org/ ... or to the Hercules project, with which I'm even less familiar. But I've long wondered whether more address spaces are created by fork() or by classic job step initiation. When/if the balance tips to the side of fork(), it would make sense to optimize for that, and make job step initiation the dependent function. BTW, now that I'm following a topical thread, I'll digress that it's ironic how much noise has been generated about how quiet IBM-MAIN is. Please, think before you me too! -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?
Implementing MVS under *NIX is easy - run Hercules/390 and MVS 3.8j under it. I do it for fun at home. Now, writing something so that a z/OS program could run on a *NIX platform would be something else. And it is easier to simply recompile your applications to run under *NIX or Windows by getting a compatible COBOL compiler. There are vendors who do that. We had one in, where I work a few years ago, who said that they could convert __ALL__ our source in all languages (COBOL, HLASM, EasyTrievePlus - batch and CICS) to a .NET platform and convert our JCL to Windows powershell or Perl scripts. They said that they would guarantee identical results to what we currently get and do it at a lower cost, equal or faster processing, and as good or better reliability. But the cost, up front, was too great - it was a 3 year break even. Hum, that was about 4 years ago. We still have vendors saying they can do this conversion. Now with a 2 year (or less) break even. But the 1.5+ million initial cost is stopping us. Management here is lusting to eliminate the z system entirely. But is unwilling to pay very much to do so. They want to replace the z in a swap out so that all of a sudden they are on Windows instead of z/OS for no conversion cost (or at least a 1 year break even). On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 08:42 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote: On Mon, 23 May 2011 01:56:33 -0500, John McKown joa...@swbell.net wrote: It's 01:30 local time. I can't sleep. So I'm likely insane. No comment. :-) But I'm wondering if anybody knows of an __easy__ way to send z/OS SYSLOG messages to the UNIX syslog daemon? Sending the UNIX syslog daemon output to the z/OS SYSLOG is simple - log to the /dev/console UNIX file. snip Instead of running UNIX under z/OS, I think you need to start working on running MVS under *nix. If you start writing it now, you may have it done before you retire.I'm sure Paul G. will be more than happy to help. :-) Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- John McKown Maranatha! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?
On Mon, 23 May 2011 09:27:16 -0500, John McKown joa...@swbell.net wrote: Implementing MVS under *NIX is easy - run Hercules/390 and MVS 3.8j under it. I do it for fun at home. Now, writing something so that a z/OS program could run on a *NIX platform would be something else. And it is easier to simply recompile your applications to run under *NIX or Windows by getting a compatible COBOL compiler. snip I was joking of course, but I meant the latter. Emulate (?) an MVS environment under *nix. Call it Unix MVS System Services, or just MSS for short. :-) Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?
On 5/23/2011 8:37 AM, Mark Zelden wrote: On Mon, 23 May 2011 09:27:16 -0500, John McKownjoa...@swbell.net wrote: Implementing MVS under *NIX is easy - run Hercules/390 and MVS 3.8j under it. I do it for fun at home. Now, writing something so that a z/OS program could run on a *NIX platform would be something else. And it is easier to simply recompile your applications to run under *NIX or Windows by getting a compatible COBOL compiler. snip I was joking of course, but I meant the latter. Emulate (?) an MVS environment under *nix. Call it Unix MVS System Services, or just MSS for short. :-) Ahhh! The memorable Mass Storage System. Pluck, shuck, and play. ISTR it was the 3950, but I could be wrong. I wrote training for it back when I was with IBM; even had it translated into German. But I can't find the books now (this was 1974-75 after all). Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our new tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?
st...@trainersfriend.com (Steve Comstock) writes: Ahhh! The memorable Mass Storage System. Pluck, shuck, and play. ISTR it was the 3950, but I could be wrong. I wrote training for it back when I was with IBM; even had it translated into German. But I can't find the books now (this was 1974-75 after all). close, 3850 http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/storage/storage_3850.html -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
