Re: How the determine dataset is PDSE

[Windt, W.K.F. van der (Fred)]

Well, shaking your desktop or even your laptop probably wasn't a viable option 
so they had to come with something different: hence the CTRL-Z key combination 
I assume. :)

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>
> But that's not how Winderz or Linux do it. The angst this causes. How could 
> Jobs
> have been so dense?  ;)
>
> Sent from iPhone - small keyboard fat fingers - expect spellinf errots.
>
> > On Oct 7, 2015, at 8:59 AM, Windt, W.K.F. van der (Fred)
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> >
> > Shake your iPhone to 'undo'.
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Re: How the determine dataset is PDSE

[Stevet]

But that's not how Winderz or Linux do it. The angst this causes. How could 
Jobs have been so dense?  ;)
  
Sent from iPhone - small keyboard fat fingers - expect spellinf errots.

> On Oct 7, 2015, at 8:59 AM, Windt, W.K.F. van der (Fred) 
>  wrote:
> 
> Shake your iPhone to 'undo'.


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Re: How the determine dataset is PDSE

[Stevet]

While we are whining... Does a iPhone have any way to do cntl+z like Linux or 
Winderz?

And Gil, how would you get QSAM to correctly do a STOW at CLOSE if you do not 
set DSORG to PO?  

Now the change you propose, how do we make it transparent to existing code 
running in a bank, mfg co., etc. ?

POSIX came LONG after MVS. 

Sent from iPhone - small keyboard fat fingers - expect spellinf errots.

> On Oct 7, 2015, at 12:28 AM, Paul Gilmartin 
> <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 11:35:41 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
>> 
>> Sure. The OP just asked PDS/PDSE so I focused on that.
>> 
>> Lots of variations. What about dataset accessed as a QSAM file but actually 
>> PDS/PDSE member? FWIW the distinction goes away for USS -- every file is a 
>> "member" of a directory.
> Sometimes that directory and membership are fictitious, as for /dev/fd/0.
> 
> And ISPF is woefully ignorant of the similarity.  For example, if in DDLIST I
> select a PDS with V(iew), DSLIST opens a member list with View as the
> point-and-shoot selection default.
> 
> If in UDLIST I select a UNIX directory with V(iew), I get a failure, "Invalid
> file type".  Why doesn't UDLIST do as DSLIST does and show a list of
> members in that directory?
> 
> As for the sequential allocation of a PDS member you mention, I was dismayed
> to learn that OPEN sets DCBDSORG to PO, not PS.
> 
> -- gil
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Issues while compiling SVC exit on Z1.10

[Rakesh Kotha]

Hi,

I am trying to install a tool SOUTSYS(CBT358) but i am stuck at the JES SVC 
compilation.

The supplied code was for z1.4(very old one) but i am trying to install on 
z1.10. I tried contacting the Autohr but no luck. So, reaching out for help.

i ran into a problem in compiling a SVC (IGC0025B).

Here is my JCL.
//ASMSVC EXEC PGM=ASMA90, 
// PARM='NODECK,OBJECT,XREF(SHORT),LIST' 
//SYSUT1 DD DSN=&SYSUT1,SPACE=(4096,(120,120),,,ROUND), 
// UNIT=SYSDA,DCB=BUFNO=1 
//SYSLIN DD DUMMY HR,DSN=SOUTSYS.OBJLIB(IGC0025B) <=== 
//SYSLIB DD DSN=SOUTSYS.ASM,DISP=SHR,DCB=(BLKSIZE=9600) 
// DD DSN=SOUTSYS.MACLIB,DISP=SHR,DCB=(BLKSIZE=27920) 
// DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SYS1.SHASMAC 
// DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SYS1.MACLIB 
// DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SYS1.AMODGEN 
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* 
//SYSIN DD DSN=SOUTSYS.ASM(MVSGPSVC),DISP=SHR 
//*
//LKEDSVC EXEC PGM=IEWL,REGION=2000K,COND=(4,LT,ASMSVC), 
// PARM=(NCAL,LET,RENT,LIST,XREF) 
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* 
//SYSUT1 DD DSN=&SYSUT1,UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(20,20)) 
//OBJLIB DD DUMMY HR,DSN=SOUTSYS.OBJLIB <== 
//SYSLMOD DD DSN=SYS1.LPALIB,DISP=SHR 
//SYSLIN DD * 
NAME IGC0025B(R) 
/*

fro syslib

SYS1.SHASMAC($HCCT)
000759 * LARL R11,HCCT Get HCCT address 
000760 DC X'C0B0',AL4((HCCT-(CCTXMSRB+L'CCTXMSRB))/2) 
000761 L R15,CCTCADDR-HCCT(R11,0) Get CADDR address 
000762 L R15,C@XMXSRB-CADDR(R15,0) Get SRB address 
000763 BR R15 and enter service 
000764 SPACE 1 


000456   0 10794+ L R15,C@XMXSRB-CADDR(R15,0)
** ASMA044E Undefined symbol - C@XMXSRB 
** ASMA044E Undefined symbol - CADDR 
** ASMA435I Record 763 in SYS1.SHASMAC($HCCT) on volume: ZARES1 
00046A   0 10803+ L R15,C@XMXRMTR-CADDR(R15,0
** ASMA044E Undefined symbol - C@XMXRMTR 
** ASMA044E Undefined symbol - CADDR 
** ASMA435I Record 772 in SYS1.SHASMAC($HCCT) on volume: ZARES1 
10   0 11229+ L R15,C@$MSDDUMP-CADDR(R15,
** ASMA044E Undefined symbol - C@$MSDDUMP 
** ASMA044E Undefined symbol - CADDR 
** ASMA435I Record 1256 in SYS1.SHASMAC($HCCT) on volume: ZARES1 
28   0 11245+ L R15,C@$DYNLPA-CADDR(R15,0
-

i feel we need to use USING ($CADDRR) but not sure where.

Please help me.

Thanks in Advance

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Re: What are SMF30 fields SMF30HVO and SMF30HVH telling me?

[Bob Rutledge]

IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on 
10/07/2015 09:51:47 AM:

> From: Peter Hunkeler 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Date: 10/07/2015 09:51 AM
> Subject: What are SMF30 fields SMF30HVO and SMF30HVH telling me?
> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
> 
> I've got a new job which forces me to think about such things as the
> topic at hand. Please bear with me.
> 
> 
> 
> I (think) I understand how virtual and real storage, below, above 
> the line and bar work. In course of analysing a production problem 
> related to paging, I'm searching the SMF30 haystack for hints on 
> what's going on.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I'm looking at the storage section and am having difficulties to 
> understand what SMF30HVO and SMF30HVH are telling me. I thought I 
> had understood, but as I see HVH values to be significantly higher 
> than the HVO values, I'm confused.
> 
> 
> I've searched the archives and Google but could not find useful 
information.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From the description of the fields in the SMF manual, I would have 
> expected HVO to be at least as high as HVH.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Anyone to educate me of point me the some good doc on this?

Might it be OA48512?

Bob

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Re: What are SMF30 fields SMF30HVO and SMF30HVH telling me?

[Staller, Allan]

200 C8   SMF30HVO  8  binary  Amount of 
64-bit private storage in bytes that is obtained by


this step or job. This includes guarded virtual storage.

208 D0   SMF30HVH  8  binary  High water 
mark for the number of usable bytes of 64-bit


private storage that is obtained by this step or job. This does


not include guarded virtual storage



The MXG-List is very helpful in these matters.



MXG Software LIST 
>



HTH,







I've got a new job which forces me to think about such things as the topic at 
hand. Please bear with me.



I (think) I understand how virtual and real storage, below, above the line and 
bar work. In course of analysing a production problem related to paging, I'm 
searching the SMF30 haystack for hints on what's going on.



I'm looking at the storage section and am having difficulties to understand 
what SMF30HVO and SMF30HVH are telling me. I thought I had understood, but as I 
see HVH values to be significantly higher than the HVO values, I'm confused.



I've searched the archives and Google but could not find useful information.



>From the description of the fields in the SMF manual, I would have expected 
>HVO to be at least as high as HVH.



Anyone to educate me of point me the some good doc on this?



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What are SMF30 fields SMF30HVO and SMF30HVH telling me?

[Peter Hunkeler]

I've got a new job which forces me to think about such things as the topic at 
hand. Please bear with me.



I (think) I understand how virtual and real storage, below, above the line and 
bar work. In course of analysing a production problem related to paging, I'm 
searching the SMF30 haystack for hints on what's going on.




I'm looking at the storage section and am having difficulties to understand 
what SMF30HVO and SMF30HVH are telling me. I thought I had understood, but as I 
see HVH values to be significantly higher than the HVO values, I'm confused.


I've searched the archives and Google but could not find useful information.




>From the description of the fields in the SMF manual, I would have expected 
>HVO to be at least as high as HVH.




Anyone to educate me of point me the some good doc on this?





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Re: How the determine dataset is PDSE

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <9581562468380640.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on
10/06/2015
   at 08:56 AM, Paul Gilmartin
<000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> said:

>Does DESERV work correctly if the allocation is to a UNIX file or to
>a mixed concatenation containing a UNIX file?

I doubt it, but the OP only asked about PDS and PDSE.
 
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Re: How the determine dataset is PDSE

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Wed, 7 Oct 2015 08:57:49 +0200, Stevet  wrote:

>While we are whining... Does a iPhone have any way to do cntl+z like Linux or 
>Winderz?
> 
I don't do Windows.  On Linux, as on z/OS UNIX, I use cntl+z to interrupt a 
foreground
process so I can "bg" it.  And the lack of such multiprocessing is lamented 
alike in
iOS and TSO.  It's a relic of resource limitation the early days of both 
systems.

>And Gil, how would you get QSAM to correctly do a STOW at CLOSE if you do not 
>set DSORG to PO?  
> 
Hadn't thought of that.  Is the information nowhere else avaiable?

>Now the change you propose, how do we make it transparent to existing code 
>running in a bank, mfg co., etc. ?
>
Which change that I "propose"?  How would allowing V(iew) to select a directory
in UDLIST impact "existing code running in a bank, mfg co., etc. ?"

>POSIX came LONG after MVS. 
>
The interval OS/360 to UNIX is surprisingly short, yet the latter was able to
learn from and avoid many of the design shortcomings of the former that
persist in z/OS.


>> On Oct 7, 2015, at 12:28 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>> 
>>> Lots of variations. What about dataset accessed as a QSAM file but actually 
>>> PDS/PDSE member? FWIW the distinction goes away for USS -- every file is a 
>>> "member" of a directory.
>> Sometimes that directory and membership are fictitious, as for /dev/fd/0.
>> 
>> And ISPF is woefully ignorant of the similarity.  For example, if in DDLIST I
>> select a PDS with V(iew), DSLIST opens a member list with View as the
>> point-and-shoot selection default.
>> 
>> If in UDLIST I select a UNIX directory with V(iew), I get a failure, "Invalid
>> file type".  Why doesn't UDLIST do as DSLIST does and show a list of
>> members in that directory?
>> 
>> As for the sequential allocation of a PDS member you mention, I was dismayed
>> to learn that OPEN sets DCBDSORG to PO, not PS.
>> 
>> -- gil
>> 
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AW: Re: What are SMF30 fields SMF30HVO and SMF30HVH telling me?

[Peter Hunkeler]

> Might it be OA48512?


Looks so. Thanks


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Re: How the determine dataset is PDSE

[Windt, W.K.F. van der (Fred)]

Shake your iPhone to 'undo'.

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> On Behalf Of Stevet
> Sent: woensdag 7 oktober 2015 8:58
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: How the determine dataset is PDSE
>
> While we are whining... Does a iPhone have any way to do cntl+z like Linux or
> Winderz?
>
> And Gil, how would you get QSAM to correctly do a STOW at CLOSE if you do
> not set DSORG to PO?
>
> Now the change you propose, how do we make it transparent to existing code
> running in a bank, mfg co., etc. ?
>
> POSIX came LONG after MVS.
>
> Sent from iPhone - small keyboard fat fingers - expect spellinf errots.
>
> > On Oct 7, 2015, at 12:28 AM, Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-
> requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 11:35:41 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
> >>
> >> Sure. The OP just asked PDS/PDSE so I focused on that.
> >>
> >> Lots of variations. What about dataset accessed as a QSAM file but actually
> PDS/PDSE member? FWIW the distinction goes away for USS -- every file is a
> "member" of a directory.
> > Sometimes that directory and membership are fictitious, as for /dev/fd/0.
> >
> > And ISPF is woefully ignorant of the similarity.  For example, if in
> > DDLIST I select a PDS with V(iew), DSLIST opens a member list with
> > View as the point-and-shoot selection default.
> >
> > If in UDLIST I select a UNIX directory with V(iew), I get a failure,
> > "Invalid file type".  Why doesn't UDLIST do as DSLIST does and show a
> > list of members in that directory?
> >
> > As for the sequential allocation of a PDS member you mention, I was
> > dismayed to learn that OPEN sets DCBDSORG to PO, not PS.
> >
> > -- gil
> >
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