Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?
On Fri, 28 May 2021 11:50:28 +0200, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >IMHO it depends. >First, it depends on what we understand as outsourcing. >1. I buy HW and SW and keep it in my datacenter. Oh, BTW: the >application software is mine, not delivered from outside. >2. Application is delivered, and there are many options how to maintain it. >3. I keep HW in leased DC. >4. I rent HW from DC owner. >5. I rent HW from DC owner and some services like cabling, servicing, etc. >6. DC owner takes care about switches and maybe other things. >... >etc. > >Regarding Zcloud - I believe it depends on your expectations how deep >the outsourcing would be. zCloud is IBM-owned and -managed hardware and software in an IBM DC using various software stacks (z/VM, Linux, z/OS, CICS, IMS, DB2, MQ, Websphere, etc.), with your application (if any) and data. You run in one or more LPARs, sharing the machines with other zCloud customers. See the link to the data sheet at https://www.ibm.com/services/cloud/managed-infrastructure-as-a-service. You could view it as a form of outsourcing, yes. Alan Altmark IBM Alan Altmark IBM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression
Hi Greg, That's probably what I'm thinking of, or maybe in the back of my mind it was something under ISPF written by Doug Nadel. I forgot! But I just tried your program and I see my current code page 1047 showing up as 0417 hex - highlighted at the bottom of this image: http://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/termtest.png Tom On 5/28/2021 9:12 PM, Greg Price wrote: Tom, Might that have been TERMTEST from CBT file 134/135 ? Cheers, Greg -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression
On 29/05/2021 7:30 am, Tom Brennan wrote: But years ago I remember a bit of free code that displayed many more terminal characteristics. I'm not talking ISPF terminal types (I'd recommend using type 3 with PCOMM, some others tell ISPF to sends graphic characters to the screen). I'm talking about things like screen x/y size, color options, whether it can do underlining, character sets, etc. Tom, Might that have been TERMTEST from CBT file 134/135 ? Cheers, Greg -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression
(This thread would better go on ISPF-L.) On Fri, 28 May 2021 13:27:23 -0400, David Spiegel wrote: > >I'm trying to write a Rexx ISPF Edit Macro which contains a FIND Regular >Expression. >... >I turned HEX ON so that my square brackets can be displayed. (I used >x'AD' and x'BD'). > This sucks! Metacharacters in macros are interpreted according to the CCSID of the attached terminal; 1047 if in background. It implies that the author of a macro must publish a variant for each supported terminal type and thee user must adjust SYSEXEC for the terminal in use. Does any IBM representative care to defend this design? Better there should be a PRAGMA CCSID command to specify the interpretation of metacharacters. Better still, the macro should be loaded from zFS tagged with CCSID. Even 1208. I hate EBCDIC! -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Required viewing
On 5/28/2021 2:35 PM, Darren Evans-Young wrote: Had to learn a new assembly language again. Haha! That's what some people said when z/Architecture came out! LOL -- Phoenix Software International Edward E. Jaffe 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 https://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ This e-mail message, including any attachments, appended messages and the information contained therein, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient or have otherwise received this email message in error, any use, dissemination, distribution, review, storage or copying of this e-mail message and the information contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you are not an intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this email message and do not otherwise utilize or retain this email message or any or all of the information contained therein. Although this email message and any attachments or appended messages are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the sender for any loss or damage arising in any way from its opening or use. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Required viewing
Was probably a K32.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original message From: Darren Evans-Young Date: 5/28/21 5:35 PM (GMT-05:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Required viewing The University of Alabama had a Univac 1100 Series mainframe when I started school there in 1977.36 bit, 1's complement. Users primarily used Fortran and COBOL. I personally used assembly language.Around 1985, UA changed over to an IBM 3081 I believe. 32 bit, 2's compliment. Had to learn a newassembly language again.DarrenFrom: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Seymour J Metz Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 1:39 PMTo: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Required viewingWas it an 1107? That was a 36-bit ones' complement machine with more than 8K. An 1900? The only UNIVAC 1701 I know of was a keypunch machine.--Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metzhttps://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fmason.gmu.edu%2F~smetz3data=04%7C01%7Cdarren%40ua.edu%7C0bd30b840eb24ef902aa08d92207e129%7C2a00728ef0d040b4a4e8ce433f3fbca7%7C0%7C0%7C637578239526750379%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=oomoD0%2B6ivxVFCOZJRGjsN539sA%2FF1Wtdc5BTHSNfyg%3Dreserved=0From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Carmen Vitullo [cvitu...@hughes.net]Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 1:51 PMTo: ibm-m...@listserv.ua.EDUSubject: Re: Required viewingI remember going on a field trip when I was in Vo-Tech (data Processing)to the Franklin Institute to see that Univac processor, we had a smallUnivac 1701 ? IIRC in our class, 8k memory, all controlled by switchesand buttons, a printer, card reader and a card punch, those were the daze !thanks for SharingCarmenOn 5/28/2021 12:24 PM, Phil Smith III wrote:> 1957 Automatic Data Processing, IBM 705 Mainframe Data Center, IBM 650, ARMY> Computers>> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D32iPITuZraUdata=04%7C01%7Cdarren%40ua.edu%7C0bd30b840eb24ef902aa08d92207e129%7C2a00728ef0d040b4a4e8ce433f3fbca7%7C0%7C0%7C637578239526760320%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=9RLtP5SSPULC3LKhn2fqC3tduaopRCOlrbC6Ik%2FaCWY%3Dreserved=0>> 32 minutes>>> --> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN>--*Carmen Vitullo*/“I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound tosucceed, but I am bound to live up to what light I have.” ― Abraham Lincoln/--For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN--For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN--For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression
In addition to what you can get from TSO and ISPF, you can use TPG to write a WSF datastream. Read Partition - Query will give you the basics. Of course, that's overkill if all you want is the screen geometry. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Brennan Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 5:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression There is a variable. I found this old panel of mine: ** * Top of Data * 01 )BODY 02 %CCSID is 03 )END ** Bottom of Data *** But years ago I remember a bit of free code that displayed many more terminal characteristics. I'm not talking ISPF terminal types (I'd recommend using type 3 with PCOMM, some others tell ISPF to sends graphic characters to the screen). I'm talking about things like screen x/y size, color options, whether it can do underlining, character sets, etc. Somebody wrote such a thing and I just forgot who/where/what. And that code may have worked outside of ISPF, since any program doing TPUT/TGET can ask the terminal for its characteristics and dump them out to the screen or whatever. On 5/28/2021 11:57 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > There's probably a dialog variable for it, but I don't recall. Meanwhile, > what happens with teminal type 4 and 6? > > If you manually start ISPF from the READY prompt, you can specify a codepage > on ISPSTART. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of > David Spiegel [dspiegel...@hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 2:01 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression > > Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH, > I am using PCOMM. > How do I display the Code Page? > > ISPF Option 0: > Log/List Function keys Colors Environ Workstation Identifier Help > ss > ISPF Settings > Command ===> > > Options Print Graphics > Enter "/" to select optionFamily printer type 2 >Command line at bottom Device name . . . . > / Panel display CUA mode Aspect ratio . . . 0 > / Long message in pop-up > / Tab to action bar choices >Tab to point-and-shoot fields General > / Restore TEST/TRACE options Input field pad . . B >Session Manager mode Command delimiter . ; > / Jump from leader dots >Edit PRINTDS Command > / Always show split line >Enable EURO sign > > Member list options > Enter "/" to select option > / Scroll member list >Allow empty member list >Allow empty member list (nomatch) > / Empty member list for edit only > > Terminal Characteristics > Screen format 3 1. Data2. Std 3. Max 4. Part > > Terminal Type 31. 3277 2. 3277A 3. 3278 4. 3278A > 5. 3290A 6. 3278T 7. 3278CF 8. 3277KN > 9. 3278KN10. 3278AR11. 3278CY 12. 3278HN > 13. 3278HO14. 3278IS15. 3278L2 16. BE163 > 17. BE190 18. 3278TH19. 3278CU 20. DEU78 > 21. DEU78A22. DEU78T23. DEU90A 24. SW116 > 25. SW131 26. SW500 27. 3278GR 28. 3278L1 > 29. OTHER > > > Regards, > David > > On 2021-05-28 13:49, Seymour J Metz wrote: >> What code pages are you using and what does ISPF show under option 0? >> >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibm.com%2Fsupport%2Fknowledgecenter%2Fen%2FSSZJDU_6.2.0%2Fcom.ibm.itnetviewforzos.doc_6.2%2Fdqd_custocbe_codepage.htmdata=04%7C01%7C%7C2e49d42adc9d43b5f8de08d922010990%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637578210126552575%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=XMqut0VkUqEx3ZZ%2BZv0x6JhS66IclZN1N7uwhaLo928%3Dreserved=0 >> "In codepage 037, the left bracket character [ is X'BA', the right bracket >> character ] is X'BB'. However, in code pages 1047 and 939, the left bracket >> character [ is X'AD', the right bracket character ] is X'BD'." >> >> >> >> -- >> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fmason.gmu.edu%2F~smetz3data=04%7C01%7C%7C2e49d42adc9d43b5f8de08d922010990%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637578210126552575%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=3qlObBaE0LnaMhGs57%2BI3aqdvUv5Qdo0SkdZIXw8qtI%3Dreserved=0 >> >>
Re: Required viewing
The University of Alabama had a Univac 1100 Series mainframe when I started school there in 1977. 36 bit, 1's complement. Users primarily used Fortran and COBOL. I personally used assembly language. Around 1985, UA changed over to an IBM 3081 I believe. 32 bit, 2's compliment. Had to learn a new assembly language again. Darren From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Seymour J Metz Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 1:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Required viewing Was it an 1107? That was a 36-bit ones' complement machine with more than 8K. An 1900? The only UNIVAC 1701 I know of was a keypunch machine. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fmason.gmu.edu%2F~smetz3data=04%7C01%7Cdarren%40ua.edu%7C0bd30b840eb24ef902aa08d92207e129%7C2a00728ef0d040b4a4e8ce433f3fbca7%7C0%7C0%7C637578239526750379%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=oomoD0%2B6ivxVFCOZJRGjsN539sA%2FF1Wtdc5BTHSNfyg%3Dreserved=0 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Carmen Vitullo [cvitu...@hughes.net] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 1:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Required viewing I remember going on a field trip when I was in Vo-Tech (data Processing) to the Franklin Institute to see that Univac processor, we had a small Univac 1701 ? IIRC in our class, 8k memory, all controlled by switches and buttons, a printer, card reader and a card punch, those were the daze ! thanks for Sharing Carmen On 5/28/2021 12:24 PM, Phil Smith III wrote: > 1957 Automatic Data Processing, IBM 705 Mainframe Data Center, IBM 650, ARMY > Computers > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D32iPITuZraUdata=04%7C01%7Cdarren%40ua.edu%7C0bd30b840eb24ef902aa08d92207e129%7C2a00728ef0d040b4a4e8ce433f3fbca7%7C0%7C0%7C637578239526760320%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=9RLtP5SSPULC3LKhn2fqC3tduaopRCOlrbC6Ik%2FaCWY%3Dreserved=0 > > 32 minutes > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- *Carmen Vitullo* /“I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live up to what light I have.” ― Abraham Lincoln/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression
There is a variable. I found this old panel of mine: ** * Top of Data * 01 )BODY 02 %CCSID is 03 )END ** Bottom of Data *** But years ago I remember a bit of free code that displayed many more terminal characteristics. I'm not talking ISPF terminal types (I'd recommend using type 3 with PCOMM, some others tell ISPF to sends graphic characters to the screen). I'm talking about things like screen x/y size, color options, whether it can do underlining, character sets, etc. Somebody wrote such a thing and I just forgot who/where/what. And that code may have worked outside of ISPF, since any program doing TPUT/TGET can ask the terminal for its characteristics and dump them out to the screen or whatever. On 5/28/2021 11:57 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: There's probably a dialog variable for it, but I don't recall. Meanwhile, what happens with teminal type 4 and 6? If you manually start ISPF from the READY prompt, you can specify a codepage on ISPSTART. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Spiegel [dspiegel...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 2:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH, I am using PCOMM. How do I display the Code Page? ISPF Option 0: Log/List Function keys Colors Environ Workstation Identifier Help ss ISPF Settings Command ===> Options Print Graphics Enter "/" to select optionFamily printer type 2 Command line at bottom Device name . . . . / Panel display CUA mode Aspect ratio . . . 0 / Long message in pop-up / Tab to action bar choices Tab to point-and-shoot fields General / Restore TEST/TRACE options Input field pad . . B Session Manager mode Command delimiter . ; / Jump from leader dots Edit PRINTDS Command / Always show split line Enable EURO sign Member list options Enter "/" to select option / Scroll member list Allow empty member list Allow empty member list (nomatch) / Empty member list for edit only Terminal Characteristics Screen format 3 1. Data2. Std 3. Max 4. Part Terminal Type 31. 3277 2. 3277A 3. 3278 4. 3278A 5. 3290A 6. 3278T 7. 3278CF 8. 3277KN 9. 3278KN10. 3278AR11. 3278CY 12. 3278HN 13. 3278HO14. 3278IS15. 3278L2 16. BE163 17. BE190 18. 3278TH19. 3278CU 20. DEU78 21. DEU78A22. DEU78T23. DEU90A 24. SW116 25. SW131 26. SW500 27. 3278GR 28. 3278L1 29. OTHER Regards, David On 2021-05-28 13:49, Seymour J Metz wrote: What code pages are you using and what does ISPF show under option 0? https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibm.com%2Fsupport%2Fknowledgecenter%2Fen%2FSSZJDU_6.2.0%2Fcom.ibm.itnetviewforzos.doc_6.2%2Fdqd_custocbe_codepage.htmdata=04%7C01%7C%7C2e49d42adc9d43b5f8de08d922010990%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637578210126552575%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=XMqut0VkUqEx3ZZ%2BZv0x6JhS66IclZN1N7uwhaLo928%3Dreserved=0 "In codepage 037, the left bracket character [ is X'BA', the right bracket character ] is X'BB'. However, in code pages 1047 and 939, the left bracket character [ is X'AD', the right bracket character ] is X'BD'." -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fmason.gmu.edu%2F~smetz3data=04%7C01%7C%7C2e49d42adc9d43b5f8de08d922010990%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637578210126552575%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=3qlObBaE0LnaMhGs57%2BI3aqdvUv5Qdo0SkdZIXw8qtI%3Dreserved=0 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Spiegel [dspiegel...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 1:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression Hi, I'm trying to write a Rexx ISPF Edit Macro which contains a FIND Regular Expression. I'm getting a ISRE997 on this line: "ISREDIT FIND R'ÝABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ@#$¨'" 3 7CEDCCCE4CCDC4D7ACD775B774F444 F92954930695409DD12345678912345678923456789CBBDDF03000 I turned HEX ON so that my square brackets can be displayed. (I used x'AD' and x'BD'). I am trying to
Re: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression
4 and 6 look weird. On 2021-05-28 14:57, Seymour J Metz wrote: There's probably a dialog variable for it, but I don't recall. Meanwhile, what happens with teminal type 4 and 6? If you manually start ISPF from the READY prompt, you can specify a codepage on ISPSTART. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fmason.gmu.edu%2F~smetz3data=04%7C01%7C%7C2425f20fbce34c88a69b08d9220a7b7e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637578250693252217%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=o%2FHWj%2BqGcjkPjDJ9SDk6qnlIW5B4jO5ojPHXZbUE8V4%3Dreserved=0 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Spiegel [dspiegel...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 2:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH, I am using PCOMM. How do I display the Code Page? ISPF Option 0: Log/List Function keys Colors Environ Workstation Identifier Help ss ISPF Settings Command ===> Options Print Graphics Enter "/" to select optionFamily printer type 2 Command line at bottom Device name . . . . / Panel display CUA mode Aspect ratio . . . 0 / Long message in pop-up / Tab to action bar choices Tab to point-and-shoot fields General / Restore TEST/TRACE options Input field pad . . B Session Manager mode Command delimiter . ; / Jump from leader dots Edit PRINTDS Command / Always show split line Enable EURO sign Member list options Enter "/" to select option / Scroll member list Allow empty member list Allow empty member list (nomatch) / Empty member list for edit only Terminal Characteristics Screen format 3 1. Data2. Std 3. Max 4. Part Terminal Type 31. 3277 2. 3277A 3. 3278 4. 3278A 5. 3290A 6. 3278T 7. 3278CF 8. 3277KN 9. 3278KN10. 3278AR11. 3278CY 12. 3278HN 13. 3278HO14. 3278IS15. 3278L2 16. BE163 17. BE190 18. 3278TH19. 3278CU 20. DEU78 21. DEU78A22. DEU78T23. DEU90A 24. SW116 25. SW131 26. SW500 27. 3278GR 28. 3278L1 29. OTHER Regards, David On 2021-05-28 13:49, Seymour J Metz wrote: What code pages are you using and what does ISPF show under option 0? https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibm.com%2Fsupport%2Fknowledgecenter%2Fen%2FSSZJDU_6.2.0%2Fcom.ibm.itnetviewforzos.doc_6.2%2Fdqd_custocbe_codepage.htmdata=04%7C01%7C%7C2425f20fbce34c88a69b08d9220a7b7e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637578250693252217%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=nF5yi9%2FkJHnG68RRv4eyYtoxp4Kl902gjnZqt726L4s%3Dreserved=0 "In codepage 037, the left bracket character [ is X'BA', the right bracket character ] is X'BB'. However, in code pages 1047 and 939, the left bracket character [ is X'AD', the right bracket character ] is X'BD'." -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fmason.gmu.edu%2F~smetz3data=04%7C01%7C%7C2425f20fbce34c88a69b08d9220a7b7e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637578250693252217%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=o%2FHWj%2BqGcjkPjDJ9SDk6qnlIW5B4jO5ojPHXZbUE8V4%3Dreserved=0 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Spiegel [dspiegel...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 1:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression Hi, I'm trying to write a Rexx ISPF Edit Macro which contains a FIND Regular Expression. I'm getting a ISRE997 on this line: "ISREDIT FIND R'ÝABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ@#$¨'" 3 7CEDCCCE4CCDC4D7ACD775B774F444 F92954930695409DD12345678912345678923456789CBBDDF03000 I turned HEX ON so that my square brackets can be displayed. (I used x'AD' and x'BD'). I am trying to find the next JCL Statement with a valid label (i.e. an Alphabetic or National Character in Column 3). Ideally I would like to start my search at column 1 and FIND // followed Alphabetic/National in Column 3), Please help. Thanks and regards, David -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO
Re: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression
There's probably a dialog variable for it, but I don't recall. Meanwhile, what happens with teminal type 4 and 6? If you manually start ISPF from the READY prompt, you can specify a codepage on ISPSTART. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Spiegel [dspiegel...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 2:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH, I am using PCOMM. How do I display the Code Page? ISPF Option 0: Log/List Function keys Colors Environ Workstation Identifier Help ss ISPF Settings Command ===> Options Print Graphics Enter "/" to select optionFamily printer type 2 Command line at bottom Device name . . . . / Panel display CUA mode Aspect ratio . . . 0 / Long message in pop-up / Tab to action bar choices Tab to point-and-shoot fields General / Restore TEST/TRACE options Input field pad . . B Session Manager mode Command delimiter . ; / Jump from leader dots Edit PRINTDS Command / Always show split line Enable EURO sign Member list options Enter "/" to select option / Scroll member list Allow empty member list Allow empty member list (nomatch) / Empty member list for edit only Terminal Characteristics Screen format 3 1. Data2. Std 3. Max 4. Part Terminal Type 31. 3277 2. 3277A 3. 3278 4. 3278A 5. 3290A 6. 3278T 7. 3278CF 8. 3277KN 9. 3278KN10. 3278AR11. 3278CY 12. 3278HN 13. 3278HO14. 3278IS15. 3278L2 16. BE163 17. BE190 18. 3278TH19. 3278CU 20. DEU78 21. DEU78A22. DEU78T23. DEU90A 24. SW116 25. SW131 26. SW500 27. 3278GR 28. 3278L1 29. OTHER Regards, David On 2021-05-28 13:49, Seymour J Metz wrote: > What code pages are you using and what does ISPF show under option 0? > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibm.com%2Fsupport%2Fknowledgecenter%2Fen%2FSSZJDU_6.2.0%2Fcom.ibm.itnetviewforzos.doc_6.2%2Fdqd_custocbe_codepage.htmdata=04%7C01%7C%7C2e49d42adc9d43b5f8de08d922010990%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637578210126552575%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=XMqut0VkUqEx3ZZ%2BZv0x6JhS66IclZN1N7uwhaLo928%3Dreserved=0 > "In codepage 037, the left bracket character [ is X'BA', the right bracket > character ] is X'BB'. However, in code pages 1047 and 939, the left bracket > character [ is X'AD', the right bracket character ] is X'BD'." > > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fmason.gmu.edu%2F~smetz3data=04%7C01%7C%7C2e49d42adc9d43b5f8de08d922010990%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637578210126552575%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=3qlObBaE0LnaMhGs57%2BI3aqdvUv5Qdo0SkdZIXw8qtI%3Dreserved=0 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of > David Spiegel [dspiegel...@hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 1:27 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression > > Hi, > I'm trying to write a Rexx ISPF Edit Macro which contains a FIND Regular > Expression. > I'm getting a ISRE997 on this line: > "ISREDIT FIND R'ÝABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ@#$¨'" 3 > 7CEDCCCE4CCDC4D7ACD775B774F444 > F92954930695409DD12345678912345678923456789CBBDDF03000 > > I turned HEX ON so that my square brackets can be displayed. (I used > x'AD' and x'BD'). > I am trying to find the next JCL Statement with a valid label (i.e. an > Alphabetic or National Character in Column 3). > Ideally I would like to start my search at column 1 and FIND // > followed Alphabetic/National in Column 3), > > Please help. > > Thanks and regards, > David > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > . -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access
Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?
Yup, you’re always right. Sorry.
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On Friday, May 28, 2021, 2:31 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
ObInigoMontoya No, the difference between {I believe the firearm to be
unloaded" and "I have verified that the firearm is unloaded" is precisely
semantics. The range officers has this foolish idea that the difference
matters, and ignoring the difference *will* lead to disciplinary action. No
curses, no kicking or beating, just a quick trip to the CO and an Article 15.
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An unloaded versus loaded gun is quite a bit more than semantics.
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On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:36 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
Yes, and the difference between a trainee who shoots himself and a trainee who
inspects his rifle before claiming that it is unloaded is only semantics, but
the cadre at boot camp thought that the distinction was important.
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Semantics.
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On Friday, May 28, 2021, 10:29 AM, Joel C. Ewing wrote:
No, "cloud" and "outsourcing" are two distinct concepts. While it is
very likely these days that all "outsourcing" would involve cloud-based
services, it is not true that "cloud-based" services must be "outsourced".
A corporation can easily choose to run its own distributed, in-house
cloud services. Any corporate data center that supports branch offices
with remote access over the Internet to corporate applications fits the
definition of cloud-based computing from the viewpoint of the branch
offices. If the corporate data center is not outsourced, then neither
are the cloud-based services it provides to its branches.
J.C. Ewing
On 5/27/21 9:03 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> All clouds are just outsourcing. Renamed cloud so people would think they are
> on the new tech. I was part of EDS outsourcing of GM back in the 80’s. Moving
> data processing from GM plants to EDS data centers.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021, 9:26 AM, Mark Jacobs
> <0224d287a4b1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> AFAIK you're correct. $Previousjob moved our datacenter to ZCloud which was
> hosted and supported by IBM Global Services.
>
> Mark Jacobs
>
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> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>
> On Thursday, May 27th, 2021 at 9:22 AM, Keith Gooding
> <034af3894af4-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
>> I have been asked if a z/OS software product is supported on IBM Zcloud.
>>
>> As far as I can see Zcloud is just old-fashioned outsourcing where a z/os
>> system runs in an LPAR on someone else’s computer, albeit with the ability
>> to dynamically add computing resources for temporary workload spikes etc.
>>
>> Am I missing something or is there ‘proper’ cloud technology, such
>> provisioning of middleware using cloud provisioning like AWS etc.
>>
>> Keith Gooding
>>
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Re: Required viewing
Was it an 1107? That was a 36-bit ones' complement machine with more than 8K. An 1900? The only UNIVAC 1701 I know of was a keypunch machine. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Carmen Vitullo [cvitu...@hughes.net] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 1:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Required viewing I remember going on a field trip when I was in Vo-Tech (data Processing) to the Franklin Institute to see that Univac processor, we had a small Univac 1701 ? IIRC in our class, 8k memory, all controlled by switches and buttons, a printer, card reader and a card punch, those were the daze ! thanks for Sharing Carmen On 5/28/2021 12:24 PM, Phil Smith III wrote: > 1957 Automatic Data Processing, IBM 705 Mainframe Data Center, IBM 650, ARMY > Computers > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32iPITuZraU > > 32 minutes > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- *Carmen Vitullo* /“I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live up to what light I have.” ― Abraham Lincoln/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?
ObInigoMontoya No, the difference between {I believe the firearm to be
unloaded" and "I have verified that the firearm is unloaded" is precisely
semantics. The range officers has this foolish idea that the difference
matters, and ignoring the difference *will* lead to disciplinary action. No
curses, no kicking or beating, just a quick trip to the CO and an Article 15.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of
Bill Johnson [0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 11:39 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?
An unloaded versus loaded gun is quite a bit more than semantics.
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On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:36 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
Yes, and the difference between a trainee who shoots himself and a trainee who
inspects his rifle before claiming that it is unloaded is only semantics, but
the cadre at boot camp thought that the distinction was important.
--
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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of
Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:57 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?
Semantics.
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On Friday, May 28, 2021, 10:29 AM, Joel C. Ewing wrote:
No, "cloud" and "outsourcing" are two distinct concepts. While it is
very likely these days that all "outsourcing" would involve cloud-based
services, it is not true that "cloud-based" services must be "outsourced".
A corporation can easily choose to run its own distributed, in-house
cloud services. Any corporate data center that supports branch offices
with remote access over the Internet to corporate applications fits the
definition of cloud-based computing from the viewpoint of the branch
offices. If the corporate data center is not outsourced, then neither
are the cloud-based services it provides to its branches.
J.C. Ewing
On 5/27/21 9:03 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> All clouds are just outsourcing. Renamed cloud so people would think they are
> on the new tech. I was part of EDS outsourcing of GM back in the 80’s. Moving
> data processing from GM plants to EDS data centers.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021, 9:26 AM, Mark Jacobs
> <0224d287a4b1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> AFAIK you're correct. $Previousjob moved our datacenter to ZCloud which was
> hosted and supported by IBM Global Services.
>
> Mark Jacobs
>
> Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email.
>
> GPG Public Key -
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1qAOMAZEgf7ZMHqcX3uzwELDLRR1G1qcwNB2BeZQnwHEDWQqxIrxIHxCtU6R2ku6Y-bjG2tGtYnLal7LD4jhYC8TQ1pKyUGwojhTrz4KOeSfBy5rZSFZI71fhNlruZZfXEf83wCwFiK_0z0Tjh8MRv55xkGvwP9TXbB08_aDcmx3lYJMX9Fx0vWlhhFzCI0yp4mJolK_3I5uSf6XFwbXZIZlRUPZlrGCOlrA6TVGg8mJHa1y8ydg7QxhVxEP70ln0fv1xIV4DUtX0G4YL_SfY4OGT_CNo-qBaVi6dNWztlzRitfXF2AuS4V14ANPd9Zwg671dD0pzRimnLbkWXWT8HJPC2YGgOvKl4MzQLB8la36rXE207CyNZSPaPMHtC_TmUfXKmBTATNaRzlHbrFzZMqYkG0zla1csJfAcgVSHkVtJ9bKSs8h6I18FJmP-OA3T/https%3A%2F%2Fapi.protonmail.ch%2Fpks%2Flookup%3Fop%3Dget%26search%3Dmarkjacobs%40protonmail.com
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>
> On Thursday, May 27th, 2021 at 9:22 AM, Keith Gooding
> <034af3894af4-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
>> I have been asked if a z/OS software product is supported on IBM Zcloud.
>>
>> As far as I can see Zcloud is just old-fashioned outsourcing where a z/os
>> system runs in an LPAR on someone else’s computer, albeit with the ability
>> to dynamically add computing resources for temporary workload spikes etc.
>>
>> Am I missing something or is there ‘proper’ cloud technology, such
>> provisioning of middleware using cloud provisioning like AWS etc.
>>
>> Keith Gooding
>>
>> --
>> ...
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Re: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression
Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH. I changed the brackets to x'BA' and x'BB'. Now, it works. Thank you! I still would like to know how to display which codepage I am using. Any ideas? Thanks and regards, David On 2021-05-28 13:49, Seymour J Metz wrote: What code pages are you using and what does ISPF show under option 0? https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibm.com%2Fsupport%2Fknowledgecenter%2Fen%2FSSZJDU_6.2.0%2Fcom.ibm.itnetviewforzos.doc_6.2%2Fdqd_custocbe_codepage.htmdata=04%7C01%7C%7C2e49d42adc9d43b5f8de08d922010990%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637578210126552575%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=XMqut0VkUqEx3ZZ%2BZv0x6JhS66IclZN1N7uwhaLo928%3Dreserved=0 "In codepage 037, the left bracket character [ is X'BA', the right bracket character ] is X'BB'. However, in code pages 1047 and 939, the left bracket character [ is X'AD', the right bracket character ] is X'BD'." -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fmason.gmu.edu%2F~smetz3data=04%7C01%7C%7C2e49d42adc9d43b5f8de08d922010990%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637578210126552575%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=3qlObBaE0LnaMhGs57%2BI3aqdvUv5Qdo0SkdZIXw8qtI%3Dreserved=0 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Spiegel [dspiegel...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 1:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression Hi, I'm trying to write a Rexx ISPF Edit Macro which contains a FIND Regular Expression. I'm getting a ISRE997 on this line: "ISREDIT FIND R'ÝABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ@#$¨'" 3 7CEDCCCE4CCDC4D7ACD775B774F444 F92954930695409DD12345678912345678923456789CBBDDF03000 I turned HEX ON so that my square brackets can be displayed. (I used x'AD' and x'BD'). I am trying to find the next JCL Statement with a valid label (i.e. an Alphabetic or National Character in Column 3). Ideally I would like to start my search at column 1 and FIND // followed Alphabetic/National in Column 3), Please help. Thanks and regards, David -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN . -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression
Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH, I am using PCOMM. How do I display the Code Page? ISPF Option 0: Log/List Function keys Colors Environ Workstation Identifier Help ss ISPF Settings Command ===> Options Print Graphics Enter "/" to select option Family printer type 2 Command line at bottom Device name . . . . / Panel display CUA mode Aspect ratio . . . 0 / Long message in pop-up / Tab to action bar choices Tab to point-and-shoot fields General / Restore TEST/TRACE options Input field pad . . B Session Manager mode Command delimiter . ; / Jump from leader dots Edit PRINTDS Command / Always show split line Enable EURO sign Member list options Enter "/" to select option / Scroll member list Allow empty member list Allow empty member list (nomatch) / Empty member list for edit only Terminal Characteristics Screen format 3 1. Data 2. Std 3. Max 4. Part Terminal Type 3 1. 3277 2. 3277A 3. 3278 4. 3278A 5. 3290A 6. 3278T 7. 3278CF 8. 3277KN 9. 3278KN 10. 3278AR 11. 3278CY 12. 3278HN 13. 3278HO 14. 3278IS 15. 3278L2 16. BE163 17. BE190 18. 3278TH 19. 3278CU 20. DEU78 21. DEU78A 22. DEU78T 23. DEU90A 24. SW116 25. SW131 26. SW500 27. 3278GR 28. 3278L1 29. OTHER Regards, David On 2021-05-28 13:49, Seymour J Metz wrote: What code pages are you using and what does ISPF show under option 0? https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibm.com%2Fsupport%2Fknowledgecenter%2Fen%2FSSZJDU_6.2.0%2Fcom.ibm.itnetviewforzos.doc_6.2%2Fdqd_custocbe_codepage.htmdata=04%7C01%7C%7C2e49d42adc9d43b5f8de08d922010990%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637578210126552575%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=XMqut0VkUqEx3ZZ%2BZv0x6JhS66IclZN1N7uwhaLo928%3Dreserved=0 "In codepage 037, the left bracket character [ is X'BA', the right bracket character ] is X'BB'. However, in code pages 1047 and 939, the left bracket character [ is X'AD', the right bracket character ] is X'BD'." -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fmason.gmu.edu%2F~smetz3data=04%7C01%7C%7C2e49d42adc9d43b5f8de08d922010990%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637578210126552575%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=3qlObBaE0LnaMhGs57%2BI3aqdvUv5Qdo0SkdZIXw8qtI%3Dreserved=0 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Spiegel [dspiegel...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 1:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression Hi, I'm trying to write a Rexx ISPF Edit Macro which contains a FIND Regular Expression. I'm getting a ISRE997 on this line: "ISREDIT FIND R'ÝABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ@#$¨'" 3 7CEDCCCE4CCDC4D7ACD775B774F444 F92954930695409DD12345678912345678923456789CBBDDF03000 I turned HEX ON so that my square brackets can be displayed. (I used x'AD' and x'BD'). I am trying to find the next JCL Statement with a valid label (i.e. an Alphabetic or National Character in Column 3). Ideally I would like to start my search at column 1 and FIND // followed Alphabetic/National in Column 3), Please help. Thanks and regards, David -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN . -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I remember going on a field trip when I was in Vo-Tech (data Processing) to the Franklin Institute to see that Univac processor, we had a small Univac 1701 ? IIRC in our class, 8k memory, all controlled by switches and buttons, a printer, card reader and a card punch, those were the daze ! thanks for Sharing Carmen On 5/28/2021 12:24 PM, Phil Smith III wrote: 1957 Automatic Data Processing, IBM 705 Mainframe Data Center, IBM 650, ARMY Computers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32iPITuZraU 32 minutes -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- *Carmen Vitullo* /“I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live up to what light I have.” ― Abraham Lincoln/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression
What code pages are you using and what does ISPF show under option 0? https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSZJDU_6.2.0/com.ibm.itnetviewforzos.doc_6.2/dqd_custocbe_codepage.htm "In codepage 037, the left bracket character [ is X'BA', the right bracket character ] is X'BB'. However, in code pages 1047 and 939, the left bracket character [ is X'AD', the right bracket character ] is X'BD'." -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Spiegel [dspiegel...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 1:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression Hi, I'm trying to write a Rexx ISPF Edit Macro which contains a FIND Regular Expression. I'm getting a ISRE997 on this line: "ISREDIT FIND R'ÝABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ@#$¨'" 3 7CEDCCCE4CCDC4D7ACD775B774F444 F92954930695409DD12345678912345678923456789CBBDDF03000 I turned HEX ON so that my square brackets can be displayed. (I used x'AD' and x'BD'). I am trying to find the next JCL Statement with a valid label (i.e. an Alphabetic or National Character in Column 3). Ideally I would like to start my search at column 1 and FIND // followed Alphabetic/National in Column 3), Please help. Thanks and regards, David -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression
Hi, I'm trying to write a Rexx ISPF Edit Macro which contains a FIND Regular Expression. I'm getting a ISRE997 on this line: "ISREDIT FIND R'ÝABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ@#$¨'" 3 7CEDCCCE4CCDC4D7ACD775B774F444 F92954930695409DD12345678912345678923456789CBBDDF03000 I turned HEX ON so that my square brackets can be displayed. (I used x'AD' and x'BD'). I am trying to find the next JCL Statement with a valid label (i.e. an Alphabetic or National Character in Column 3). Ideally I would like to start my search at column 1 and FIND // followed Alphabetic/National in Column 3), Please help. Thanks and regards, David -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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1957 Automatic Data Processing, IBM 705 Mainframe Data Center, IBM 650, ARMY Computers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32iPITuZraU 32 minutes -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?
I remember the GM/EDS marriage well. After I was forced to transition to EDS, whenever Packard Electric engineers wanted changes made to the IMS system, I had to perform analysis of the request and submit an RFQ (request for quotation) and EDS hierarchy pushed for more hours (they were billable) than it really should have taken. Packard engineering and other users requesting changes were none too happy with the marriage. EDS charged Packard around $75 an hour for my programming & analysis time. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:50 AM, Dave Jousma <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >No, "cloud" and "outsourcing" are two distinct concepts. While it is >very likely these days that all "outsourcing" would involve cloud-based >services, it is not true that "cloud-based" services must be "outsourced". >A corporation can easily choose to run its own distributed, in-house >cloud services. Any corporate data center that supports branch offices >with remote access over the Internet to corporate applications fits the >definition of cloud-based computing from the viewpoint of the branch >offices. If the corporate data center is not outsourced, then neither >are the cloud-based services it provides to its branches. Definitely semantics. I keep telling non-mainframers here at work that mainframe has been a "cloud" for decades. Think about it, teams just deploy their apps and they run, no server provisioning, etc. Continuous availability, nah AWS has nothing on MF. Today's "cloud" is infrastructure outsourcing, nothing less. Except that the new outsourcers (Amazon, and others), have gotten smarter. Easy to get in, costs an arm and a leg to get out. In distributed systems its a slow growth, server here, server there, before long you have 100's, 1000's of AWS instances all at the mercy of someone somewhere who knows. I used to work for IBM in the 90's in their outsourcing business. Companies that outsourced to reduce capital asset requirements but still were actively using mainframe space, didnt seem to stay outsourced long. Any deviation from original contract to add services was a nightmare. My observation is that company's where MF was stablized, or a company in financial trouble were the ones that stayed. All of this ebb's and flows over time, we'll see how this all shakes out. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?
Bingo. And GM eventually took back their outsourced (cloud) processing from EDS. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:50 AM, Dave Jousma <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >No, "cloud" and "outsourcing" are two distinct concepts. While it is >very likely these days that all "outsourcing" would involve cloud-based >services, it is not true that "cloud-based" services must be "outsourced". >A corporation can easily choose to run its own distributed, in-house >cloud services. Any corporate data center that supports branch offices >with remote access over the Internet to corporate applications fits the >definition of cloud-based computing from the viewpoint of the branch >offices. If the corporate data center is not outsourced, then neither >are the cloud-based services it provides to its branches. Definitely semantics. I keep telling non-mainframers here at work that mainframe has been a "cloud" for decades. Think about it, teams just deploy their apps and they run, no server provisioning, etc. Continuous availability, nah AWS has nothing on MF. Today's "cloud" is infrastructure outsourcing, nothing less. Except that the new outsourcers (Amazon, and others), have gotten smarter. Easy to get in, costs an arm and a leg to get out. In distributed systems its a slow growth, server here, server there, before long you have 100's, 1000's of AWS instances all at the mercy of someone somewhere who knows. I used to work for IBM in the 90's in their outsourcing business. Companies that outsourced to reduce capital asset requirements but still were actively using mainframe space, didnt seem to stay outsourced long. Any deviation from original contract to add services was a nightmare. My observation is that company's where MF was stablized, or a company in financial trouble were the ones that stayed. All of this ebb's and flows over time, we'll see how this all shakes out. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?
>No, "cloud" and "outsourcing" are two distinct concepts. While it is >very likely these days that all "outsourcing" would involve cloud-based >services, it is not true that "cloud-based" services must be "outsourced". >A corporation can easily choose to run its own distributed, in-house >cloud services. Any corporate data center that supports branch offices >with remote access over the Internet to corporate applications fits the >definition of cloud-based computing from the viewpoint of the branch >offices. If the corporate data center is not outsourced, then neither >are the cloud-based services it provides to its branches. Definitely semantics. I keep telling non-mainframers here at work that mainframe has been a "cloud" for decades. Think about it, teams just deploy their apps and they run, no server provisioning, etc.Continuous availability, nah AWS has nothing on MF. Today's "cloud" is infrastructure outsourcing, nothing less. Except that the new outsourcers (Amazon, and others), have gotten smarter. Easy to get in, costs an arm and a leg to get out. In distributed systems its a slow growth, server here, server there, before long you have 100's, 1000's of AWS instances all at the mercy of someone somewhere who knows. I used to work for IBM in the 90's in their outsourcing business. Companies that outsourced to reduce capital asset requirements but still were actively using mainframe space, didnt seem to stay outsourced long.Any deviation from original contract to add services was a nightmare. My observation is that company's where MF was stablized, or a company in financial trouble were the ones that stayed. All of this ebb's and flows over time, we'll see how this all shakes out. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?
An unloaded versus loaded gun is quite a bit more than semantics. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:36 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: Yes, and the difference between a trainee who shoots himself and a trainee who inspects his rifle before claiming that it is unloaded is only semantics, but the cadre at boot camp thought that the distinction was important. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ? Semantics. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, May 28, 2021, 10:29 AM, Joel C. Ewing wrote: No, "cloud" and "outsourcing" are two distinct concepts. While it is very likely these days that all "outsourcing" would involve cloud-based services, it is not true that "cloud-based" services must be "outsourced". A corporation can easily choose to run its own distributed, in-house cloud services. Any corporate data center that supports branch offices with remote access over the Internet to corporate applications fits the definition of cloud-based computing from the viewpoint of the branch offices. If the corporate data center is not outsourced, then neither are the cloud-based services it provides to its branches. J.C. Ewing On 5/27/21 9:03 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: > All clouds are just outsourcing. Renamed cloud so people would think they are > on the new tech. I was part of EDS outsourcing of GM back in the 80’s. Moving > data processing from GM plants to EDS data centers. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Thursday, May 27, 2021, 9:26 AM, Mark Jacobs > <0224d287a4b1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > AFAIK you're correct. $Previousjob moved our datacenter to ZCloud which was > hosted and supported by IBM Global Services. > > Mark Jacobs > > Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. > > GPG Public Key - > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1qAOMAZEgf7ZMHqcX3uzwELDLRR1G1qcwNB2BeZQnwHEDWQqxIrxIHxCtU6R2ku6Y-bjG2tGtYnLal7LD4jhYC8TQ1pKyUGwojhTrz4KOeSfBy5rZSFZI71fhNlruZZfXEf83wCwFiK_0z0Tjh8MRv55xkGvwP9TXbB08_aDcmx3lYJMX9Fx0vWlhhFzCI0yp4mJolK_3I5uSf6XFwbXZIZlRUPZlrGCOlrA6TVGg8mJHa1y8ydg7QxhVxEP70ln0fv1xIV4DUtX0G4YL_SfY4OGT_CNo-qBaVi6dNWztlzRitfXF2AuS4V14ANPd9Zwg671dD0pzRimnLbkWXWT8HJPC2YGgOvKl4MzQLB8la36rXE207CyNZSPaPMHtC_TmUfXKmBTATNaRzlHbrFzZMqYkG0zla1csJfAcgVSHkVtJ9bKSs8h6I18FJmP-OA3T/https%3A%2F%2Fapi.protonmail.ch%2Fpks%2Flookup%3Fop%3Dget%26search%3Dmarkjacobs%40protonmail.com > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > On Thursday, May 27th, 2021 at 9:22 AM, Keith Gooding > <034af3894af4-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >> I have been asked if a z/OS software product is supported on IBM Zcloud. >> >> As far as I can see Zcloud is just old-fashioned outsourcing where a z/os >> system runs in an LPAR on someone else’s computer, albeit with the ability >> to dynamically add computing resources for temporary workload spikes etc. >> >> Am I missing something or is there ‘proper’ cloud technology, such >> provisioning of middleware using cloud provisioning like AWS etc. >> >> Keith Gooding >> >> -- >> ... -- Joel C. Ewing -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?
Yes, and the difference between a trainee who shoots himself and a trainee who inspects his rifle before claiming that it is unloaded is only semantics, but the cadre at boot camp thought that the distinction was important. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ? Semantics. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, May 28, 2021, 10:29 AM, Joel C. Ewing wrote: No, "cloud" and "outsourcing" are two distinct concepts. While it is very likely these days that all "outsourcing" would involve cloud-based services, it is not true that "cloud-based" services must be "outsourced". A corporation can easily choose to run its own distributed, in-house cloud services. Any corporate data center that supports branch offices with remote access over the Internet to corporate applications fits the definition of cloud-based computing from the viewpoint of the branch offices. If the corporate data center is not outsourced, then neither are the cloud-based services it provides to its branches. J.C. Ewing On 5/27/21 9:03 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: > All clouds are just outsourcing. Renamed cloud so people would think they are > on the new tech. I was part of EDS outsourcing of GM back in the 80’s. Moving > data processing from GM plants to EDS data centers. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Thursday, May 27, 2021, 9:26 AM, Mark Jacobs > <0224d287a4b1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > AFAIK you're correct. $Previousjob moved our datacenter to ZCloud which was > hosted and supported by IBM Global Services. > > Mark Jacobs > > Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. > > GPG Public Key - > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1qAOMAZEgf7ZMHqcX3uzwELDLRR1G1qcwNB2BeZQnwHEDWQqxIrxIHxCtU6R2ku6Y-bjG2tGtYnLal7LD4jhYC8TQ1pKyUGwojhTrz4KOeSfBy5rZSFZI71fhNlruZZfXEf83wCwFiK_0z0Tjh8MRv55xkGvwP9TXbB08_aDcmx3lYJMX9Fx0vWlhhFzCI0yp4mJolK_3I5uSf6XFwbXZIZlRUPZlrGCOlrA6TVGg8mJHa1y8ydg7QxhVxEP70ln0fv1xIV4DUtX0G4YL_SfY4OGT_CNo-qBaVi6dNWztlzRitfXF2AuS4V14ANPd9Zwg671dD0pzRimnLbkWXWT8HJPC2YGgOvKl4MzQLB8la36rXE207CyNZSPaPMHtC_TmUfXKmBTATNaRzlHbrFzZMqYkG0zla1csJfAcgVSHkVtJ9bKSs8h6I18FJmP-OA3T/https%3A%2F%2Fapi.protonmail.ch%2Fpks%2Flookup%3Fop%3Dget%26search%3Dmarkjacobs%40protonmail.com > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > On Thursday, May 27th, 2021 at 9:22 AM, Keith Gooding > <034af3894af4-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >> I have been asked if a z/OS software product is supported on IBM Zcloud. >> >> As far as I can see Zcloud is just old-fashioned outsourcing where a z/os >> system runs in an LPAR on someone else’s computer, albeit with the ability >> to dynamically add computing resources for temporary workload spikes etc. >> >> Am I missing something or is there ‘proper’ cloud technology, such >> provisioning of middleware using cloud provisioning like AWS etc. >> >> Keith Gooding >> >> -- >> ... -- Joel C. Ewing -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?
At GM, circa 1983-84, we had plants all over the country that worked off of a mainframe in Warren, Ohio. (Packard Electric) After the transition to EDS, those same plants worked off the mainframe in Charlotte, NC. (They moved multiple GM divisions there) Early cloud processing, outsourced to EDS. Now, any time I perform a banking transaction, it gets processed wherever the JP Morgan mainframe is located. If I access my photos, they are retrieved from Apple or Amazon at one of their DC’s. The only difference is in 1984 you used a stationary PC or Terminal. Now you use a smaller PC called a laptop or phone. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, May 28, 2021, 10:29 AM, Joel C. Ewing wrote: No, "cloud" and "outsourcing" are two distinct concepts. While it is very likely these days that all "outsourcing" would involve cloud-based services, it is not true that "cloud-based" services must be "outsourced". A corporation can easily choose to run its own distributed, in-house cloud services. Any corporate data center that supports branch offices with remote access over the Internet to corporate applications fits the definition of cloud-based computing from the viewpoint of the branch offices. If the corporate data center is not outsourced, then neither are the cloud-based services it provides to its branches. J.C. Ewing On 5/27/21 9:03 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: > All clouds are just outsourcing. Renamed cloud so people would think they are > on the new tech. I was part of EDS outsourcing of GM back in the 80’s. Moving > data processing from GM plants to EDS data centers. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Thursday, May 27, 2021, 9:26 AM, Mark Jacobs > <0224d287a4b1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > AFAIK you're correct. $Previousjob moved our datacenter to ZCloud which was > hosted and supported by IBM Global Services. > > Mark Jacobs > > Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. > > GPG Public Key - > https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get=markjac...@protonmail.com > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > On Thursday, May 27th, 2021 at 9:22 AM, Keith Gooding > <034af3894af4-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >> I have been asked if a z/OS software product is supported on IBM Zcloud. >> >> As far as I can see Zcloud is just old-fashioned outsourcing where a z/os >> system runs in an LPAR on someone else’s computer, albeit with the ability >> to dynamically add computing resources for temporary workload spikes etc. >> >> Am I missing something or is there ‘proper’ cloud technology, such >> provisioning of middleware using cloud provisioning like AWS etc. >> >> Keith Gooding >> >> -- >> ... -- Joel C. Ewing -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?
Semantics. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, May 28, 2021, 10:29 AM, Joel C. Ewing wrote: No, "cloud" and "outsourcing" are two distinct concepts. While it is very likely these days that all "outsourcing" would involve cloud-based services, it is not true that "cloud-based" services must be "outsourced". A corporation can easily choose to run its own distributed, in-house cloud services. Any corporate data center that supports branch offices with remote access over the Internet to corporate applications fits the definition of cloud-based computing from the viewpoint of the branch offices. If the corporate data center is not outsourced, then neither are the cloud-based services it provides to its branches. J.C. Ewing On 5/27/21 9:03 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: > All clouds are just outsourcing. Renamed cloud so people would think they are > on the new tech. I was part of EDS outsourcing of GM back in the 80’s. Moving > data processing from GM plants to EDS data centers. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Thursday, May 27, 2021, 9:26 AM, Mark Jacobs > <0224d287a4b1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > AFAIK you're correct. $Previousjob moved our datacenter to ZCloud which was > hosted and supported by IBM Global Services. > > Mark Jacobs > > Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. > > GPG Public Key - > https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get=markjac...@protonmail.com > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > On Thursday, May 27th, 2021 at 9:22 AM, Keith Gooding > <034af3894af4-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >> I have been asked if a z/OS software product is supported on IBM Zcloud. >> >> As far as I can see Zcloud is just old-fashioned outsourcing where a z/os >> system runs in an LPAR on someone else’s computer, albeit with the ability >> to dynamically add computing resources for temporary workload spikes etc. >> >> Am I missing something or is there ‘proper’ cloud technology, such >> provisioning of middleware using cloud provisioning like AWS etc. >> >> Keith Gooding >> >> -- >> ... -- Joel C. Ewing -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?
"Congratulations, you've invented time sharing!" -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Joel C. Ewing [jce.ebe...@cox.net] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ? No, "cloud" and "outsourcing" are two distinct concepts. While it is very likely these days that all "outsourcing" would involve cloud-based services, it is not true that "cloud-based" services must be "outsourced". A corporation can easily choose to run its own distributed, in-house cloud services. Any corporate data center that supports branch offices with remote access over the Internet to corporate applications fits the definition of cloud-based computing from the viewpoint of the branch offices. If the corporate data center is not outsourced, then neither are the cloud-based services it provides to its branches. J.C. Ewing On 5/27/21 9:03 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: > All clouds are just outsourcing. Renamed cloud so people would think they are > on the new tech. I was part of EDS outsourcing of GM back in the 80’s. Moving > data processing from GM plants to EDS data centers. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Thursday, May 27, 2021, 9:26 AM, Mark Jacobs > <0224d287a4b1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > AFAIK you're correct. $Previousjob moved our datacenter to ZCloud which was > hosted and supported by IBM Global Services. > > Mark Jacobs > > Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. > > GPG Public Key - > https://secure-web.cisco.com/11Tb5NRriA73gnjPf_5-9YQYk-TOQZSw3d7Ac0bmbR59osbwi4m8H-DhG8yluhMuQYdI5VJI1QLsfUNM3cZUN2Hack8uMnzeJ_O8S4GbiZ8OsN86hKNu4j6dQI-7Kb9ioPcbzwksrgI2BVQBzeRy2CDgnZGrJL7ZhctpY72k1FTWZcbsXjr4VAqb8QQ08xbuhTnCevKy1MvBslmbuIfhiVL_N-1-YlXo44rWiDebxPBEICFG4-zYhL-g_b0haH36NH0sd1FngZDt9kcRWhhaqApiwYv7GRxhEou5p-oo8xtu5RY8--K5T3IXxiRaCZuiu_NbVGCGKiAyf88HMzAnUL5n1wqzv6VKDPZ1iz2hgEs4SQRdrPtC_boPP9HGm3RDCILAiGVUEh-PLwgxniEiy-y2wJeA8lh1yOQteHIeI8dh15CthMrrfOiQb1mwu4S7M/https%3A%2F%2Fapi.protonmail.ch%2Fpks%2Flookup%3Fop%3Dget%26search%3Dmarkjacobs%40protonmail.com > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > On Thursday, May 27th, 2021 at 9:22 AM, Keith Gooding > <034af3894af4-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >> I have been asked if a z/OS software product is supported on IBM Zcloud. >> >> As far as I can see Zcloud is just old-fashioned outsourcing where a z/os >> system runs in an LPAR on someone else’s computer, albeit with the ability >> to dynamically add computing resources for temporary workload spikes etc. >> >> Am I missing something or is there ‘proper’ cloud technology, such >> provisioning of middleware using cloud provisioning like AWS etc. >> >> Keith Gooding >> >> -- >> ... -- Joel C. Ewing -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?
No, "cloud" and "outsourcing" are two distinct concepts. While it is very likely these days that all "outsourcing" would involve cloud-based services, it is not true that "cloud-based" services must be "outsourced". A corporation can easily choose to run its own distributed, in-house cloud services. Any corporate data center that supports branch offices with remote access over the Internet to corporate applications fits the definition of cloud-based computing from the viewpoint of the branch offices. If the corporate data center is not outsourced, then neither are the cloud-based services it provides to its branches. J.C. Ewing On 5/27/21 9:03 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: > All clouds are just outsourcing. Renamed cloud so people would think they are > on the new tech. I was part of EDS outsourcing of GM back in the 80’s. Moving > data processing from GM plants to EDS data centers. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Thursday, May 27, 2021, 9:26 AM, Mark Jacobs > <0224d287a4b1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > AFAIK you're correct. $Previousjob moved our datacenter to ZCloud which was > hosted and supported by IBM Global Services. > > Mark Jacobs > > Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. > > GPG Public Key - > https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get=markjac...@protonmail.com > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > On Thursday, May 27th, 2021 at 9:22 AM, Keith Gooding > <034af3894af4-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >> I have been asked if a z/OS software product is supported on IBM Zcloud. >> >> As far as I can see Zcloud is just old-fashioned outsourcing where a z/os >> system runs in an LPAR on someone else’s computer, albeit with the ability >> to dynamically add computing resources for temporary workload spikes etc. >> >> Am I missing something or is there ‘proper’ cloud technology, such >> provisioning of middleware using cloud provisioning like AWS etc. >> >> Keith Gooding >> >> -- >> ... -- Joel C. Ewing -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?
IMHO it depends. First, it depends on what we understand as outsourcing. 1. I buy HW and SW and keep it in my datacenter. Oh, BTW: the application software is mine, not delivered from outside. 2. Application is delivered, and there are many options how to maintain it. 3. I keep HW in leased DC. 4. I rent HW from DC owner. 5. I rent HW from DC owner and some services like cabling, servicing, etc. 6. DC owner takes care about switches and maybe other things. ... etc. Regarding Zcloud - I believe it depends on your expectations how deep the outsourcing would be. -- Radoslaw Skorupka (looking for new job) Lodz, Poland W dniu 27.05.2021 o 15:22, Keith Gooding pisze: I have been asked if a z/OS software product is supported on IBM Zcloud. As far as I can see Zcloud is just old-fashioned outsourcing where a z/os system runs in an LPAR on someone else’s computer, albeit with the ability to dynamically add computing resources for temporary workload spikes etc. Am I missing something or is there ‘proper’ cloud technology, such provisioning of middleware using cloud provisioning like AWS etc. Keith Gooding -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
