Re: System Programmer Titles

[Brian Westerman]

I am leaning towards "He who shall not be called after midnight without 
invoking his considerable wrath", but I don't think it would fit on my card.

Brian

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Re: System Programmer Titles

[Bruce Hewson]

Mine is listed as

Infra Tech Lead Analyst 


Regards
Bruce

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Re: System Programmer Titles

[CM Poncelet]

Systems Programming Consultant or Technical Consultant (now retired)

On 11/10/2021 21:28, Herring, Bobby wrote:
> I asked this question back in 2004. My boss wants to know if there are any 
> new titles to add to the list below.
>
> Mainframe Engineer
> Operating Systems Architect
> Software Engineer
> Software Project Specialist
> Software Specialist
> System Analyst
> System Architect
> System Engineer
> System Programmer
> Systems Programming Specialist
> Systems Specialist
> Technical Advisor
> Technical Analyst
> Technical Services Professional
> Technical Specialist
>
> What title do you have as a system programmer?
>
> Bobby Herring
> Texas Farm Bureau Insurance
>
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
> Kirk Wolf
> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:43 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
>
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> IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2.
> When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version.
> There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with /etc/ssh
> configuration settings. When moving releases you would at minimum want to
> review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new /samples
> and merge those as appropriate.
>
> BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM z/OS
> OpenSSH:
> https://dovetail.com/docs/pt-quick-inst/index.html
>
> Kirk Wolf
> http://dovetail.com
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Roberto Halais 
> mailto:roberto.hal...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
>> Listers:
>>
>> My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way.
>>
>> I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working.
>>
>> I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the
>> default libraries.
>>
>> My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do
>> the whole install again?
>>
>> Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a different
>> filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the filesystem and
>> execute.
>> And later on install the new version Openssh.
>>
>> Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking.
>>
>> Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
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Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 00:30:50 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>The nomenclature varies depending on employer and year. If your looking to 
>hire, describe the position and requirements and call it whatever fits 
>corporate culture.
> 
For decades I was "Software Engineer".  Pursuant to a corporate acquisition it
transpired that I lacked engineering credentials, a formal requirement in some
states, and I became "Software Developer".  I had never dissembled.  My
responsibilities and compensation were unchanged except that my seniority
was truncated in order not to exceed the age of the acquiring company.

>When I started, A systems programmer was a programmer, not a systems 
>administrator. These days a position with that title might be primarily 
>programming or may require what I call a systems janitor; someone who's 
>skilled with, e.g., RACF, SMP/E, VMSES, but does little or no programming.
>
>
>From: Skip Robinson 
>Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 5:56 PM
>
>I'm currently in a 'discussion' with a manager type who wants to hire a
>'Systems Engineer'. I have not been able to discern the difference. What
>can a Systems Engineer do that a Systems Programmer cannot?
>
>On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 2:23 PM Jerry Whitteridge wrote:
>
>> I keep working to have my Business Cards use "Speaker to Machines" as my
>> job title
>>
A kzin title?  Briefly, mine said "Program Doctor".

-- gil

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Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles

[Seymour J Metz]

Scream and leap?


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I keep working to have my Business Cards use "Speaker to Machines" as my job 
title

Jerry Whitteridge
jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com
Manager Mainframe Systems & HP Non-Stop
Albertsons Companies

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Skip Robinson
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 2:05 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles

I toyed with a number of different titles but couldn't find one elegant and
imperial enough. So I borrowed from my trash man. Now I'm a Sanitation
Engineer.

On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 1:47 PM David Spiegel 
wrote:

> Large Systems Infrastructure Support
> Another one: Mainframe Administrator (I really dislike this one in
> particular.)
>
> On 2021-10-11 16:28, Herring, Bobby wrote:
> > I asked this question back in 2004. My boss wants to know if there are
> any new titles to add to the list below.
> >
> > Mainframe Engineer
> > Operating Systems Architect
> > Software Engineer
> > Software Project Specialist
> > Software Specialist
> > System Analyst
> > System Architect
> > System Engineer
> > System Programmer
> > Systems Programming Specialist
> > Systems Specialist
> > Technical Advisor
> > Technical Analyst
> > Technical Services Professional
> > Technical Specialist
> >
> > What title do you have as a system programmer?
> >
> > Bobby Herring
> > Texas Farm Bureau Insurance
> >
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of Kirk Wolf
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:43 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
> >
> >
> > IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2.
> > When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version.
> > There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with /etc/ssh
> > configuration settings. When moving releases you would at minimum want to
> > review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new
> /samples
> > and merge those as appropriate.
> >
> > BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM z/OS
> > OpenSSH:
> >
> https://clicktime.symantec.com/3EjT7UpBoFLigAk1qbuq94m7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fdovetail.com%252Fdocs%252Fpt-quick-inst%252Findex.html%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DJx%252BXTc3mHzYwn%252F2sx96TwbALtMWz8fAuPyfFcW7tyEo%253D%26reserved%3D0
> <
> https://clicktime.symantec.com/3EjT7UpBoFLigAk1qbuq94m7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fdovetail.com%252Fdocs%252Fpt-quick-inst%252Findex.html%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DJx%252BXTc3mHzYwn%252F2sx96TwbALtMWz8fAuPyfFcW7tyEo%253D%26reserved%3D0
> >
> >
> > Kirk Wolf
> >
> https://clicktime.symantec.com/38hZe9mQMjunvzdc8X4GQRq7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fdovetail.com%252F%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DUyp2%252BWnPfnfLrxuNiLr0XdI7j3LTGfwtDFvHim%252FWEgU%253D%26reserved%3D0
> <
> https://clicktime.symantec.com/38hZe9mQMjunvzdc8X4GQRq7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fdovetail.com%252F%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DUyp2%252BWnPfnfLrxuNiLr0XdI7j3LTGfwtDFvHim%252FWEgU%253D%26reserved%3D0
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Roberto Halais  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Listers:
> >>
> >> My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way.
> >>
> >> I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working.
> >>
> >> I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the
> >> default libraries.
> >>
> >> My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do
> >> the whole install again?
> >>
> >> Can I, from 

Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles

[Seymour J Metz]

The nomenclature varies depending on employer and year. If your looking to 
hire, describe the position and requirements and call it whatever fits 
corporate culture.

When I started, A systems programmer was a programmer, not a systems 
administrator. These days a position with that title might be primarily 
programming or may require what I call a systems janitor; someone who's skilled 
with, e.g., RACF, SMP/E, VMSES, but does little or no programming.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Skip Robinson [jo.skip.robin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 5:56 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles

OK, getting serious. I've been in this business for four decades.
Performing essentially the same kinds of tasks for various employers at
various levels of seniority. I have always represented myself as a 'Systems
Programmer'.

I'm currently in a 'discussion' with a manager type who wants to hire a
'Systems Engineer'. I have not been able to discern the difference. What
can a Systems Engineer do that a Systems Programmer cannot?

On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 2:23 PM Jerry Whitteridge <
jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com> wrote:

> I keep working to have my Business Cards use "Speaker to Machines" as my
> job title
>
> Jerry Whitteridge
> jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com
> Manager Mainframe Systems & HP Non-Stop
> Albertsons Companies
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf
> Of Skip Robinson
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 2:05 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles
>
> I toyed with a number of different titles but couldn't find one elegant and
> imperial enough. So I borrowed from my trash man. Now I'm a Sanitation
> Engineer.
>
> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 1:47 PM David Spiegel 
> wrote:
>
> > Large Systems Infrastructure Support
> > Another one: Mainframe Administrator (I really dislike this one in
> > particular.)
> >
> > On 2021-10-11 16:28, Herring, Bobby wrote:
> > > I asked this question back in 2004. My boss wants to know if there are
> > any new titles to add to the list below.
> > >
> > > Mainframe Engineer
> > > Operating Systems Architect
> > > Software Engineer
> > > Software Project Specialist
> > > Software Specialist
> > > System Analyst
> > > System Architect
> > > System Engineer
> > > System Programmer
> > > Systems Programming Specialist
> > > Systems Specialist
> > > Technical Advisor
> > > Technical Analyst
> > > Technical Services Professional
> > > Technical Specialist
> > >
> > > What title do you have as a system programmer?
> > >
> > > Bobby Herring
> > > Texas Farm Bureau Insurance
> > >
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> > Behalf Of Kirk Wolf
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:43 PM
> > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
> > >
> > >
> > > IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2.
> > > When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version.
> > > There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with /etc/ssh
> > > configuration settings. When moving releases you would at minimum want
> to
> > > review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new
> > /samples
> > > and merge those as appropriate.
> > >
> > > BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM z/OS
> > > OpenSSH:
> > >
> >
> https://clicktime.symantec.com/3EjT7UpBoFLigAk1qbuq94m7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fdovetail.com%252Fdocs%252Fpt-quick-inst%252Findex.html%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DJx%252BXTc3mHzYwn%252F2sx96TwbALtMWz8fAuPyfFcW7tyEo%253D%26reserved%3D0
> > <
> >
> https://clicktime.symantec.com/3EjT7UpBoFLigAk1qbuq94m7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fdovetail.com%252Fdocs%252Fpt-quick-inst%252Findex.html%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DJx%252BXTc3mHzYwn%252F2sx96TwbALtMWz8fAuPyfFcW7tyEo%253D%26reserved%3D0
> > >
> > >
> > > Kirk Wolf
> > >
> >
> 

Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles

[Steve Thompson]

A Systems Engineer does hardware work. They swap in/out memory. The put 
in and take out specialty engines (which are on cards these days), and 
the like.


The problem we have today is, COBOL programmers are being called 
Developers. Far cry from  those of us that have been involved in product 
development where we had specific input into the manuals, built the 
install process (where possible, the customer could do an SMP/E install 
and then run a customization tool, etc.).


Oh, and we were expected to have system manuals so we could read how 
things worked and implement accordingly, as opposed to those who only 
want to be comfortable with COBOL and REXX, or just to refuse to read 
the mighty fine manuals.


So, in a few years with even more title inflation, we will be called 
Chief Programming Officers or some such silliness.


Just my $5 (hey, 40 years of inflation),
Steve Thompson


On 2021-10-11 21:56, Skip Robinson wrote:

OK, getting serious. I've been in this business for four decades.
Performing essentially the same kinds of tasks for various employers at
various levels of seniority. I have always represented myself as a 
'Systems

Programmer'.

I'm currently in a 'discussion' with a manager type who wants to hire a
'Systems Engineer'. I have not been able to discern the difference. 
What

can a Systems Engineer do that a Systems Programmer cannot?

On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 2:23 PM Jerry Whitteridge <
jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com> wrote:

I keep working to have my Business Cards use "Speaker to Machines" as 
my

job title

Jerry Whitteridge
jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com
Manager Mainframe Systems & HP Non-Stop
Albertsons Companies

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
Behalf

Of Skip Robinson
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 2:05 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles

I toyed with a number of different titles but couldn't find one 
elegant and

imperial enough. So I borrowed from my trash man. Now I'm a Sanitation
Engineer.

On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 1:47 PM David Spiegel 


wrote:

> Large Systems Infrastructure Support
> Another one: Mainframe Administrator (I really dislike this one in
> particular.)
>
> On 2021-10-11 16:28, Herring, Bobby wrote:
> > I asked this question back in 2004. My boss wants to know if there are
> any new titles to add to the list below.
> >
> > Mainframe Engineer
> > Operating Systems Architect
> > Software Engineer
> > Software Project Specialist
> > Software Specialist
> > System Analyst
> > System Architect
> > System Engineer
> > System Programmer
> > Systems Programming Specialist
> > Systems Specialist
> > Technical Advisor
> > Technical Analyst
> > Technical Services Professional
> > Technical Specialist
> >
> > What title do you have as a system programmer?
> >
> > Bobby Herring
> > Texas Farm Bureau Insurance
> >
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of Kirk Wolf
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:43 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
> >
> >
> > IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2.
> > When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version.
> > There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with /etc/ssh
> > configuration settings. When moving releases you would at minimum want
to
> > review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new
> /samples
> > and merge those as appropriate.
> >
> > BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM z/OS
> > OpenSSH:
> >
>
https://clicktime.symantec.com/3EjT7UpBoFLigAk1qbuq94m7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fdovetail.com%252Fdocs%252Fpt-quick-inst%252Findex.html%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DJx%252BXTc3mHzYwn%252F2sx96TwbALtMWz8fAuPyfFcW7tyEo%253D%26reserved%3D0
> <
>
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> >
> >
> > Kirk Wolf
> >
>

Re: DYNALLOC, FREE, and ENQ?

[Attila Fogarasi]

z/OS 2.1 added the new DSENQSHR function which allows downgrade of ENQ from
exclusive to share.  It must be specified on the job, default is not to
downgrade (which was the behaviour prior to 2.1).  Makes for potential
confusion in application behaviour if not used with care.

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 10:26 AM Charles Mills  wrote:

> I don't know, but what about if you had
>
> //DD1 DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SOME.DATA.SET
> //DD2 DD DISP=OLD,DSN=SOME.DATA.SET,FREE=CLOSE
>
> And CLOSEd DD2?
>
> FWIW, I just looked up FREE=CLOSE to make sure I had it right and my
> at-hand manual (V2R1) says "Use the FREE parameter to specify when the
> system is to unallocate the resources used for this DD statement’s data
> set. The resources can be devices, volumes, or exclusive use of a data set.
>
> Note: Specifying FREE will not release the enqueue on the data set until
> the last step that requires the data set completes processing."
>
> Not certain but that would seem to imply an ENQ downgrade.
>
> Charles
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 3:35 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: DYNALLOC, FREE, and ENQ?
>
> Suppose I have in JCL: DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SOME.DATA.SET.
>
> In my program, I dynalloc (same) SOME.DATA.SET OLD.  I expect
> the ENQ to be upgraded to EXC.  But when I FREE the allocation,
> can the ENQ revert to SHR?
>
> -- gil
>
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Re: DYNALLOC, FREE, and ENQ?

[Seymour J Metz]

AFAIK there is no ENQ downgrade.


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Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 7:25 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: DYNALLOC, FREE, and ENQ?

I don't know, but what about if you had

//DD1 DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SOME.DATA.SET
//DD2 DD DISP=OLD,DSN=SOME.DATA.SET,FREE=CLOSE

And CLOSEd DD2?

FWIW, I just looked up FREE=CLOSE to make sure I had it right and my at-hand 
manual (V2R1) says "Use the FREE parameter to specify when the system is to 
unallocate the resources used for this DD statement’s data set. The resources 
can be devices, volumes, or exclusive use of a data set.

Note: Specifying FREE will not release the enqueue on the data set until the 
last step that requires the data set completes processing."

Not certain but that would seem to imply an ENQ downgrade.

Charles


-Original Message-
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Of Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 3:35 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: DYNALLOC, FREE, and ENQ?

Suppose I have in JCL: DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SOME.DATA.SET.

In my program, I dynalloc (same) SOME.DATA.SET OLD.  I expect
the ENQ to be upgraded to EXC.  But when I FREE the allocation,
can the ENQ revert to SHR?

-- gil

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Re: DYNALLOC, FREE, and ENQ?

[Charles Mills]

I don't know, but what about if you had

//DD1 DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SOME.DATA.SET
//DD2 DD DISP=OLD,DSN=SOME.DATA.SET,FREE=CLOSE

And CLOSEd DD2?

FWIW, I just looked up FREE=CLOSE to make sure I had it right and my at-hand 
manual (V2R1) says "Use the FREE parameter to specify when the system is to 
unallocate the resources used for this DD statement’s data set. The resources 
can be devices, volumes, or exclusive use of a data set.

Note: Specifying FREE will not release the enqueue on the data set until the 
last step that requires the data set completes processing." 

Not certain but that would seem to imply an ENQ downgrade.

Charles


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 3:35 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: DYNALLOC, FREE, and ENQ?

Suppose I have in JCL: DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SOME.DATA.SET.

In my program, I dynalloc (same) SOME.DATA.SET OLD.  I expect
the ENQ to be upgraded to EXC.  But when I FREE the allocation,
can the ENQ revert to SHR?

-- gil

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Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles

[Joe Monk]

A systems engineer is basically an integrator.

A systems programmer is specialized.

Joe

On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 4:56 PM Skip Robinson 
wrote:

> OK, getting serious. I've been in this business for four decades.
> Performing essentially the same kinds of tasks for various employers at
> various levels of seniority. I have always represented myself as a 'Systems
> Programmer'.
>
> I'm currently in a 'discussion' with a manager type who wants to hire a
> 'Systems Engineer'. I have not been able to discern the difference. What
> can a Systems Engineer do that a Systems Programmer cannot?
>
> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 2:23 PM Jerry Whitteridge <
> jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com> wrote:
>
> > I keep working to have my Business Cards use "Speaker to Machines" as my
> > job title
> >
> > Jerry Whitteridge
> > jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com
> > Manager Mainframe Systems & HP Non-Stop
> > Albertsons Companies
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf
> > Of Skip Robinson
> > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 2:05 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles
> >
> > I toyed with a number of different titles but couldn't find one elegant
> and
> > imperial enough. So I borrowed from my trash man. Now I'm a Sanitation
> > Engineer.
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 1:47 PM David Spiegel 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Large Systems Infrastructure Support
> > > Another one: Mainframe Administrator (I really dislike this one in
> > > particular.)
> > >
> > > On 2021-10-11 16:28, Herring, Bobby wrote:
> > > > I asked this question back in 2004. My boss wants to know if there
> are
> > > any new titles to add to the list below.
> > > >
> > > > Mainframe Engineer
> > > > Operating Systems Architect
> > > > Software Engineer
> > > > Software Project Specialist
> > > > Software Specialist
> > > > System Analyst
> > > > System Architect
> > > > System Engineer
> > > > System Programmer
> > > > Systems Programming Specialist
> > > > Systems Specialist
> > > > Technical Advisor
> > > > Technical Analyst
> > > > Technical Services Professional
> > > > Technical Specialist
> > > >
> > > > What title do you have as a system programmer?
> > > >
> > > > Bobby Herring
> > > > Texas Farm Bureau Insurance
> > > >
> > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> > > Behalf Of Kirk Wolf
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:43 PM
> > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > > Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2.
> > > > When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version.
> > > > There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with /etc/ssh
> > > > configuration settings. When moving releases you would at minimum
> want
> > to
> > > > review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new
> > > /samples
> > > > and merge those as appropriate.
> > > >
> > > > BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM z/OS
> > > > OpenSSH:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://clicktime.symantec.com/3EjT7UpBoFLigAk1qbuq94m7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fdovetail.com%252Fdocs%252Fpt-quick-inst%252Findex.html%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DJx%252BXTc3mHzYwn%252F2sx96TwbALtMWz8fAuPyfFcW7tyEo%253D%26reserved%3D0
> > > <
> > >
> >
> https://clicktime.symantec.com/3EjT7UpBoFLigAk1qbuq94m7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fdovetail.com%252Fdocs%252Fpt-quick-inst%252Findex.html%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DJx%252BXTc3mHzYwn%252F2sx96TwbALtMWz8fAuPyfFcW7tyEo%253D%26reserved%3D0
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kirk Wolf
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://clicktime.symantec.com/38hZe9mQMjunvzdc8X4GQRq7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fdovetail.com%252F%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DUyp2%252BWnPfnfLrxuNiLr0XdI7j3LTGfwtDFvHim%252FWEgU%253D%26reserved%3D0
> > > <
> > >
> >
> 

DYNALLOC, FREE, and ENQ?

[Paul Gilmartin]

Suppose I have in JCL: DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SOME.DATA.SET.

In my program, I dynalloc (same) SOME.DATA.SET OLD.  I expect
the ENQ to be upgraded to EXC.  But when I FREE the allocation,
can the ENQ revert to SHR?

-- gil

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Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles

[David Purdy]

 The difference is $25/hour more.
Professional engineers (mechanical,  civil, etc) have gone to court to preserve 
the 'engineer' designation.
Right or wrong, it is what is.
David
On Monday, October 11, 2021, 05:56:49 PM EDT, Skip Robinson 
 wrote:  
 
 OK, getting serious. I've been in this business for four decades.
Performing essentially the same kinds of tasks for various employers at
various levels of seniority. I have always represented myself as a 'Systems
Programmer'.

I'm currently in a 'discussion' with a manager type who wants to hire a
'Systems Engineer'. I have not been able to discern the difference. What
can a Systems Engineer do that a Systems Programmer cannot?

On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 2:23 PM Jerry Whitteridge <
jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com> wrote:

> I keep working to have my Business Cards use "Speaker to Machines" as my
> job title
>
> Jerry Whitteridge
> jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com
> Manager Mainframe Systems & HP Non-Stop
> Albertsons Companies
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf
> Of Skip Robinson
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 2:05 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles
>
> I toyed with a number of different titles but couldn't find one elegant and
> imperial enough. So I borrowed from my trash man. Now I'm a Sanitation
> Engineer.
>
> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 1:47 PM David Spiegel 
> wrote:
>
> > Large Systems Infrastructure Support
> > Another one: Mainframe Administrator (I really dislike this one in
> > particular.)
> >
> > On 2021-10-11 16:28, Herring, Bobby wrote:
> > > I asked this question back in 2004. My boss wants to know if there are
> > any new titles to add to the list below.
> > >
> > > Mainframe Engineer
> > > Operating Systems Architect
> > > Software Engineer
> > > Software Project Specialist
> > > Software Specialist
> > > System Analyst
> > > System Architect
> > > System Engineer
> > > System Programmer
> > > Systems Programming Specialist
> > > Systems Specialist
> > > Technical Advisor
> > > Technical Analyst
> > > Technical Services Professional
> > > Technical Specialist
> > >
> > > What title do you have as a system programmer?
> > >
> > > Bobby Herring
> > > Texas Farm Bureau Insurance
> > >
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> > Behalf Of Kirk Wolf
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:43 PM
> > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
> > >
> > >
> > > IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2.
> > > When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version.
> > > There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with /etc/ssh
> > > configuration settings. When moving releases you would at minimum want
> to
> > > review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new
> > /samples
> > > and merge those as appropriate.
> > >
> > > BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM z/OS
> > > OpenSSH:
> > >
> >
> https://clicktime.symantec.com/3EjT7UpBoFLigAk1qbuq94m7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fdovetail.com%252Fdocs%252Fpt-quick-inst%252Findex.html%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DJx%252BXTc3mHzYwn%252F2sx96TwbALtMWz8fAuPyfFcW7tyEo%253D%26reserved%3D0
> > <
> >
> https://clicktime.symantec.com/3EjT7UpBoFLigAk1qbuq94m7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fdovetail.com%252Fdocs%252Fpt-quick-inst%252Findex.html%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DJx%252BXTc3mHzYwn%252F2sx96TwbALtMWz8fAuPyfFcW7tyEo%253D%26reserved%3D0
> > >
> > >
> > > Kirk Wolf
> > >
> >
> https://clicktime.symantec.com/38hZe9mQMjunvzdc8X4GQRq7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fdovetail.com%252F%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DUyp2%252BWnPfnfLrxuNiLr0XdI7j3LTGfwtDFvHim%252FWEgU%253D%26reserved%3D0
> > <
> >
> 

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles

[Pommier, Rex]

I'm wondering if the title change has to do with the idea that we're not 
"programming" so much anymore as we are installing and maintaining software, 
doing storage management and other tasks instead.  Back when I got my first 
sysprogs job almost 4 decades ago, here was a lot more coding involved than 
there is now.

My $.02.

Rex

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Skip Robinson
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 4:56 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles

OK, getting serious. I've been in this business for four decades.
Performing essentially the same kinds of tasks for various employers at various 
levels of seniority. I have always represented myself as a 'Systems Programmer'.

I'm currently in a 'discussion' with a manager type who wants to hire a 
'Systems Engineer'. I have not been able to discern the difference. What can a 
Systems Engineer do that a Systems Programmer cannot?

On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 2:23 PM Jerry Whitteridge < 
jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com> wrote:

> I keep working to have my Business Cards use "Speaker to Machines" as 
> my job title
>
> Jerry Whitteridge
> jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com
> Manager Mainframe Systems & HP Non-Stop Albertsons Companies
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
> Behalf Of Skip Robinson
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 2:05 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles
>
> I toyed with a number of different titles but couldn't find one 
> elegant and imperial enough. So I borrowed from my trash man. Now I'm 
> a Sanitation Engineer.
>
> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 1:47 PM David Spiegel 
> 
> wrote:
>
> > Large Systems Infrastructure Support Another one: Mainframe 
> > Administrator (I really dislike this one in
> > particular.)
> >
> > On 2021-10-11 16:28, Herring, Bobby wrote:
> > > I asked this question back in 2004. My boss wants to know if there 
> > > are
> > any new titles to add to the list below.
> > >
> > > Mainframe Engineer
> > > Operating Systems Architect
> > > Software Engineer
> > > Software Project Specialist
> > > Software Specialist
> > > System Analyst
> > > System Architect
> > > System Engineer
> > > System Programmer
> > > Systems Programming Specialist
> > > Systems Specialist
> > > Technical Advisor
> > > Technical Analyst
> > > Technical Services Professional
> > > Technical Specialist
> > >
> > > What title do you have as a system programmer?
> > >
> > > Bobby Herring
> > > Texas Farm Bureau Insurance
> > >
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> > Behalf Of Kirk Wolf
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:43 PM
> > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
> > >
> > >
> > > IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2.
> > > When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version.
> > > There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with 
> > > /etc/ssh configuration settings. When moving releases you would at 
> > > minimum want
> to
> > > review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new
> > /samples
> > > and merge those as appropriate.
> > >
> > > BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM 
> > > z/OS
> > > OpenSSH:
> > >
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://clicktime.symantec.com/3EjT7UpBoFL
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> > >
> > >
> > > Kirk Wolf
> > >
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://clicktime.symantec.com/38hZe9mQMju
> nvzdc8X4GQRq7Vc?u=https*3A*2F*2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com*
> 

Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles

[Skip Robinson]

OK, getting serious. I've been in this business for four decades.
Performing essentially the same kinds of tasks for various employers at
various levels of seniority. I have always represented myself as a 'Systems
Programmer'.

I'm currently in a 'discussion' with a manager type who wants to hire a
'Systems Engineer'. I have not been able to discern the difference. What
can a Systems Engineer do that a Systems Programmer cannot?

On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 2:23 PM Jerry Whitteridge <
jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com> wrote:

> I keep working to have my Business Cards use "Speaker to Machines" as my
> job title
>
> Jerry Whitteridge
> jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com
> Manager Mainframe Systems & HP Non-Stop
> Albertsons Companies
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf
> Of Skip Robinson
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 2:05 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles
>
> I toyed with a number of different titles but couldn't find one elegant and
> imperial enough. So I borrowed from my trash man. Now I'm a Sanitation
> Engineer.
>
> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 1:47 PM David Spiegel 
> wrote:
>
> > Large Systems Infrastructure Support
> > Another one: Mainframe Administrator (I really dislike this one in
> > particular.)
> >
> > On 2021-10-11 16:28, Herring, Bobby wrote:
> > > I asked this question back in 2004. My boss wants to know if there are
> > any new titles to add to the list below.
> > >
> > > Mainframe Engineer
> > > Operating Systems Architect
> > > Software Engineer
> > > Software Project Specialist
> > > Software Specialist
> > > System Analyst
> > > System Architect
> > > System Engineer
> > > System Programmer
> > > Systems Programming Specialist
> > > Systems Specialist
> > > Technical Advisor
> > > Technical Analyst
> > > Technical Services Professional
> > > Technical Specialist
> > >
> > > What title do you have as a system programmer?
> > >
> > > Bobby Herring
> > > Texas Farm Bureau Insurance
> > >
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> > Behalf Of Kirk Wolf
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:43 PM
> > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
> > >
> > >
> > > IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2.
> > > When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version.
> > > There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with /etc/ssh
> > > configuration settings. When moving releases you would at minimum want
> to
> > > review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new
> > /samples
> > > and merge those as appropriate.
> > >
> > > BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM z/OS
> > > OpenSSH:
> > >
> >
> https://clicktime.symantec.com/3EjT7UpBoFLigAk1qbuq94m7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fdovetail.com%252Fdocs%252Fpt-quick-inst%252Findex.html%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DJx%252BXTc3mHzYwn%252F2sx96TwbALtMWz8fAuPyfFcW7tyEo%253D%26reserved%3D0
> > <
> >
> https://clicktime.symantec.com/3EjT7UpBoFLigAk1qbuq94m7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fdovetail.com%252Fdocs%252Fpt-quick-inst%252Findex.html%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DJx%252BXTc3mHzYwn%252F2sx96TwbALtMWz8fAuPyfFcW7tyEo%253D%26reserved%3D0
> > >
> > >
> > > Kirk Wolf
> > >
> >
> https://clicktime.symantec.com/38hZe9mQMjunvzdc8X4GQRq7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fdovetail.com%252F%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DUyp2%252BWnPfnfLrxuNiLr0XdI7j3LTGfwtDFvHim%252FWEgU%253D%26reserved%3D0
> > <
> >
> https://clicktime.symantec.com/38hZe9mQMjunvzdc8X4GQRq7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fdovetail.com%252F%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DUyp2%252BWnPfnfLrxuNiLr0XdI7j3LTGfwtDFvHim%252FWEgU%253D%26reserved%3D0
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Roberto Halais <
> roberto.hal...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Listers:
> > 

Re: System Programmer Titles

[Don Leahy]

The current title at our shop is “IT Build analyst” or “IT Build
Specialist”.

On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 5:05 PM Skip Robinson 
wrote:

> I toyed with a number of different titles but couldn't find one elegant and
> imperial enough. So I borrowed from my trash man. Now I'm a Sanitation
> Engineer.
>
> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 1:47 PM David Spiegel 
> wrote:
>
> > Large Systems Infrastructure Support
> > Another one: Mainframe Administrator (I really dislike this one in
> > particular.)
> >
> > On 2021-10-11 16:28, Herring, Bobby wrote:
> > > I asked this question back in 2004. My boss wants to know if there are
> > any new titles to add to the list below.
> > >
> > > Mainframe Engineer
> > > Operating Systems Architect
> > > Software Engineer
> > > Software Project Specialist
> > > Software Specialist
> > > System Analyst
> > > System Architect
> > > System Engineer
> > > System Programmer
> > > Systems Programming Specialist
> > > Systems Specialist
> > > Technical Advisor
> > > Technical Analyst
> > > Technical Services Professional
> > > Technical Specialist
> > >
> > > What title do you have as a system programmer?
> > >
> > > Bobby Herring
> > > Texas Farm Bureau Insurance
> > >
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> > Behalf Of Kirk Wolf
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:43 PM
> > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
> > >
> > >
> > > IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2.
> > > When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version.
> > > There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with /etc/ssh
> > > configuration settings. When moving releases you would at minimum want
> to
> > > review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new
> > /samples
> > > and merge those as appropriate.
> > >
> > > BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM z/OS
> > > OpenSSH:
> > >
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdovetail.com%2Fdocs%2Fpt-quick-inst%2Findex.htmldata=04%7C01%7C%7C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637695809175524138%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=Jx%2BXTc3mHzYwn%2F2sx96TwbALtMWz8fAuPyfFcW7tyEo%3Dreserved=0
> > <
> >
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> > >
> > >
> > > Kirk Wolf
> > >
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdovetail.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637695809175524138%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=Uyp2%2BWnPfnfLrxuNiLr0XdI7j3LTGfwtDFvHim%2FWEgU%3Dreserved=0
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> >
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> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Roberto Halais <
> roberto.hal...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Listers:
> > >>
> > >> My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way.
> > >>
> > >> I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working.
> > >>
> > >> I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the
> > >> default libraries.
> > >>
> > >> My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do
> > >> the whole install again?
> > >>
> > >> Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a
> different
> > >> filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the filesystem and
> > >> execute.
> > >> And later on install the new version Openssh.
> > >>
> > >> Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking.
> > >>
> > >> Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release.
> > >>
> > >> Thank you.
> >
> > > [
> >
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> > >
> >
> 

Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles

[Jerry Whitteridge]

I keep working to have my Business Cards use "Speaker to Machines" as my job 
title

Jerry Whitteridge
jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com
Manager Mainframe Systems & HP Non-Stop
Albertsons Companies

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Skip Robinson
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 2:05 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles

I toyed with a number of different titles but couldn't find one elegant and
imperial enough. So I borrowed from my trash man. Now I'm a Sanitation
Engineer.

On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 1:47 PM David Spiegel 
wrote:

> Large Systems Infrastructure Support
> Another one: Mainframe Administrator (I really dislike this one in
> particular.)
>
> On 2021-10-11 16:28, Herring, Bobby wrote:
> > I asked this question back in 2004. My boss wants to know if there are
> any new titles to add to the list below.
> >
> > Mainframe Engineer
> > Operating Systems Architect
> > Software Engineer
> > Software Project Specialist
> > Software Specialist
> > System Analyst
> > System Architect
> > System Engineer
> > System Programmer
> > Systems Programming Specialist
> > Systems Specialist
> > Technical Advisor
> > Technical Analyst
> > Technical Services Professional
> > Technical Specialist
> >
> > What title do you have as a system programmer?
> >
> > Bobby Herring
> > Texas Farm Bureau Insurance
> >
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of Kirk Wolf
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:43 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
> >
> >
> > IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2.
> > When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version.
> > There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with /etc/ssh
> > configuration settings. When moving releases you would at minimum want to
> > review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new
> /samples
> > and merge those as appropriate.
> >
> > BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM z/OS
> > OpenSSH:
> >
> https://clicktime.symantec.com/3EjT7UpBoFLigAk1qbuq94m7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fdovetail.com%252Fdocs%252Fpt-quick-inst%252Findex.html%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DJx%252BXTc3mHzYwn%252F2sx96TwbALtMWz8fAuPyfFcW7tyEo%253D%26reserved%3D0
> <
> https://clicktime.symantec.com/3EjT7UpBoFLigAk1qbuq94m7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fdovetail.com%252Fdocs%252Fpt-quick-inst%252Findex.html%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DJx%252BXTc3mHzYwn%252F2sx96TwbALtMWz8fAuPyfFcW7tyEo%253D%26reserved%3D0
> >
> >
> > Kirk Wolf
> >
> https://clicktime.symantec.com/38hZe9mQMjunvzdc8X4GQRq7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fdovetail.com%252F%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DUyp2%252BWnPfnfLrxuNiLr0XdI7j3LTGfwtDFvHim%252FWEgU%253D%26reserved%3D0
> <
> https://clicktime.symantec.com/38hZe9mQMjunvzdc8X4GQRq7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fdovetail.com%252F%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DUyp2%252BWnPfnfLrxuNiLr0XdI7j3LTGfwtDFvHim%252FWEgU%253D%26reserved%3D0
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Roberto Halais  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Listers:
> >>
> >> My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way.
> >>
> >> I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working.
> >>
> >> I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the
> >> default libraries.
> >>
> >> My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do
> >> the whole install again?
> >>
> >> Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a different
> >> filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the filesystem and
> >> execute.
> >> And later on install the new version Openssh.
> >>
> >> Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking.
> >>
> >> Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
>
> > [
> 

Re: System Programmer Titles

[Skip Robinson]

I toyed with a number of different titles but couldn't find one elegant and
imperial enough. So I borrowed from my trash man. Now I'm a Sanitation
Engineer.

On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 1:47 PM David Spiegel 
wrote:

> Large Systems Infrastructure Support
> Another one: Mainframe Administrator (I really dislike this one in
> particular.)
>
> On 2021-10-11 16:28, Herring, Bobby wrote:
> > I asked this question back in 2004. My boss wants to know if there are
> any new titles to add to the list below.
> >
> > Mainframe Engineer
> > Operating Systems Architect
> > Software Engineer
> > Software Project Specialist
> > Software Specialist
> > System Analyst
> > System Architect
> > System Engineer
> > System Programmer
> > Systems Programming Specialist
> > Systems Specialist
> > Technical Advisor
> > Technical Analyst
> > Technical Services Professional
> > Technical Specialist
> >
> > What title do you have as a system programmer?
> >
> > Bobby Herring
> > Texas Farm Bureau Insurance
> >
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of Kirk Wolf
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:43 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
> >
> >
> > IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2.
> > When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version.
> > There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with /etc/ssh
> > configuration settings. When moving releases you would at minimum want to
> > review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new
> /samples
> > and merge those as appropriate.
> >
> > BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM z/OS
> > OpenSSH:
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdovetail.com%2Fdocs%2Fpt-quick-inst%2Findex.htmldata=04%7C01%7C%7C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637695809175524138%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=Jx%2BXTc3mHzYwn%2F2sx96TwbALtMWz8fAuPyfFcW7tyEo%3Dreserved=0
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> >
> >
> > Kirk Wolf
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdovetail.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637695809175524138%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=Uyp2%2BWnPfnfLrxuNiLr0XdI7j3LTGfwtDFvHim%2FWEgU%3Dreserved=0
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> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Roberto Halais  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Listers:
> >>
> >> My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way.
> >>
> >> I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working.
> >>
> >> I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the
> >> default libraries.
> >>
> >> My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do
> >> the whole install again?
> >>
> >> Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a different
> >> filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the filesystem and
> >> execute.
> >> And later on install the new version Openssh.
> >>
> >> Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking.
> >>
> >> Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
>
> > [
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> 

Re: System Programmer Titles

[Mark Jacobs]

At $previousjob my title was Consulting Systems Specialist.

Mark Jacobs

Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email.

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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐

On Monday, October 11th, 2021 at 4:28 PM, Herring, Bobby 
 wrote:

> I asked this question back in 2004. My boss wants to know if there are any 
> new titles to add to the list below.
>
> Mainframe Engineer
>
> Operating Systems Architect
>
> Software Engineer
>
> Software Project Specialist
>
> Software Specialist
>
> System Analyst
>
> System Architect
>
> System Engineer
>
> System Programmer
>
> Systems Programming Specialist
>
> Systems Specialist
>
> Technical Advisor
>
> Technical Analyst
>
> Technical Services Professional
>
> Technical Specialist
>
> What title do you have as a system programmer?
>
> Bobby Herring
>
> Texas Farm Bureau Insurance
>
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf Of 
> Kirk Wolf
>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:43 PM
>
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>
> Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
>
> CAUTION: This email message originated from outside the organization. Do not 
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> the content is safe.
>
> IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2.
>
> When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version.
>
> There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with /etc/ssh
>
> configuration settings. When moving releases you would at minimum want to
>
> review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new /samples
>
> and merge those as appropriate.
>
> BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM z/OS
>
> OpenSSH:
>
> https://dovetail.com/docs/pt-quick-inst/index.htmlhttps://dovetail.com/docs/pt-quick-inst/index.html
>
> Kirk Wolf
>
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> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Roberto Halais 
> mailto:roberto.hal...@gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
> > Listers:
> >
> > My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way.
> >
> > I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working.
> >
> > I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the
> >
> > default libraries.
> >
> > My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do
> >
> > the whole install again?
> >
> > Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a different
> >
> > filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the filesystem and
> >
> > execute.
> >
> > And later on install the new version Openssh.
> >
> > Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking.
> >
> > Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release.
> >
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Re: System Programmer Titles

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On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 4:47 PM David Spiegel 
wrote:

> Large Systems Infrastructure Support
> Another one: Mainframe Administrator (I really dislike this one in
> particular.)
>
> On 2021-10-11 16:28, Herring, Bobby wrote:
> > I asked this question back in 2004. My boss wants to know if there are
> any new titles to add to the list below.
> >
> > Mainframe Engineer
> > Operating Systems Architect
> > Software Engineer
> > Software Project Specialist
> > Software Specialist
> > System Analyst
> > System Architect
> > System Engineer
> > System Programmer
> > Systems Programming Specialist
> > Systems Specialist
> > Technical Advisor
> > Technical Analyst
> > Technical Services Professional
> > Technical Specialist
> >
> > What title do you have as a system programmer?
> >
> > Bobby Herring
> > Texas Farm Bureau Insurance
> >
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of Kirk Wolf
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:43 PM
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> > When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version.
> > There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with /etc/ssh
> > configuration settings. When moving releases you would at minimum want to
> > review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new
> /samples
> > and merge those as appropriate.
> >
> > BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM z/OS
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> >
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> >> Listers:
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> >>
> >> I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working.
> >>
> >> I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the
> >> default libraries.
> >>
> >> My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do
> >> the whole install again?
> >>
> >> Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a different
> >> filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the filesystem and
> >> execute.
> >> And later on install the new version Openssh.
> >>
> >> Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking.
> >>
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> >>
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Re: System Programmer Titles

[David Spiegel]

Large Systems Infrastructure Support
Another one: Mainframe Administrator (I really dislike this one in 
particular.)


On 2021-10-11 16:28, Herring, Bobby wrote:

I asked this question back in 2004. My boss wants to know if there are any new 
titles to add to the list below.

Mainframe Engineer
Operating Systems Architect
Software Engineer
Software Project Specialist
Software Specialist
System Analyst
System Architect
System Engineer
System Programmer
Systems Programming Specialist
Systems Specialist
Technical Advisor
Technical Analyst
Technical Services Professional
Technical Specialist

What title do you have as a system programmer?

Bobby Herring
Texas Farm Bureau Insurance

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Kirk Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:43 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration

CAUTION: This email message originated from outside the organization. Do not 
click on links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the 
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IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2.
When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version.
There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with /etc/ssh
configuration settings. When moving releases you would at minimum want to
review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new /samples
and merge those as appropriate.

BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM z/OS
OpenSSH:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdovetail.com%2Fdocs%2Fpt-quick-inst%2Findex.htmldata=04%7C01%7C%7C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637695809175524138%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=Jx%2BXTc3mHzYwn%2F2sx96TwbALtMWz8fAuPyfFcW7tyEo%3Dreserved=0

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On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Roberto Halais 
mailto:roberto.hal...@gmail.com>>
wrote:


Listers:

My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way.

I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working.

I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the
default libraries.

My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do
the whole install again?

Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a different
filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the filesystem and
execute.
And later on install the new version Openssh.

Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking.

Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release.

Thank you.

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System Programmer Titles

[Herring, Bobby]

I asked this question back in 2004. My boss wants to know if there are any new 
titles to add to the list below.

Mainframe Engineer
Operating Systems Architect
Software Engineer
Software Project Specialist
Software Specialist
System Analyst
System Architect
System Engineer
System Programmer
Systems Programming Specialist
Systems Specialist
Technical Advisor
Technical Analyst
Technical Services Professional
Technical Specialist

What title do you have as a system programmer?

Bobby Herring
Texas Farm Bureau Insurance

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Kirk Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:43 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration

CAUTION: This email message originated from outside the organization. Do not 
click on links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the 
content is safe.

IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2.
When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version.
There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with /etc/ssh
configuration settings. When moving releases you would at minimum want to
review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new /samples
and merge those as appropriate.

BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM z/OS
OpenSSH:
https://dovetail.com/docs/pt-quick-inst/index.html

Kirk Wolf
http://dovetail.com

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Roberto Halais 
mailto:roberto.hal...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

> Listers:
>
> My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way.
>
> I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working.
>
> I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the
> default libraries.
>
> My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do
> the whole install again?
>
> Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a different
> filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the filesystem and
> execute.
> And later on install the new version Openssh.
>
> Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking.
>
> Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release.
>
> Thank you.
>
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Re: PAX/TRS zFS

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 15:20:24 -0400, David Spiegel wrote:
>
>Every time I've used Windows as a "waystation", I've never had a problem
>with TRS Files.
> 
What are the attributes of your "pax -z" output data set?  If RECFM=FB
it ought to be comparably robust with BINARY transfers.  Did you
pre-allocate it?  And it would save you the second job.

And.  I've extracted. pax -z output on a desktop by. piping through gunzip.

Alas, TRSMAIN is UNIX-hostile.  Wouldn't it be nice to pipe pax directly
into TRSMAIN?  (Cue Hobart Spitz.)

Add Carmen's delay step.  It won't solve your problem.  But while it sleeps
uou can display ENQs.

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Re: PAX/TRS zFS

[Carmen Vitullo]

I wonder if you can add a step after the pax step adding  a delay, going 
along with what I think Gil was eluding to, the forked process had not 
terminated yet and was still holding an Excusing Enq on the MVS dataset


not a clean way to resolve but a good test to see if the forked process 
is not ending quickly



Carmen

On 10/11/2021 2:18 PM, David Spiegel wrote:

Yes, dynamically allocated

On 2021-10-11 15:10, Carmen Vitullo wrote:

is  the DD for MY.PAX dynamically allocated ?

I've never wrote to a MVS datasets using pax

Carmen


On 10/11/2021 1:03 PM, David Spiegel wrote:

Hi,
I am trying to PAX and TRS a zFS.

When I run a Step to PAX followed by a Step to TRS, I get:
pax: //'MY.PAX': EDC5061I An error occurred when attempting to 
define a file to the system.

(I tried TAR and got the same result.)
When I run the PAX in one job and the TRS in another job, it works.
Has anyone seen this behaviour? (I'm on z/OS V2.4)

Here is the JCL:
//STEP001 EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH
//STDOUT   DD  SYSOUT=*
//STDERR   DD  SYSOUT=*
//STDPARM  DD  *
SH pax -wzvf  "//'MY.PAX'" /src/
//STEP002 EXEC PGM=AMATERSE,PARM=SPACK
//SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*
//SYSUT1   DD  DISP=SHR,DSN=MY.PAX
//SYSUT2   DD  DISP=(,CATLG),
// UNIT=SYSALLDA,
// DATACLAS=DCZFSEXT,
// STORCLAS=SCZFSEXT,
// SPACE=(CYL,(1000,500),RLSE),
// RECFM=FB,LRECL=1024,BLKSIZE=27648,
// DSN=MY.PAX.TRS

Thank you in advance.

Regards,
David

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Re: PAX/TRS zFS

[David Spiegel]

Hi Gil,
Every time I've used Windows as a "waystation", I've never had a problem 
with TRS Files.


Regards,
David

On 2021-10-11 15:10, Paul Gilmartin wrote:

On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:51:23 -0400, David Spiegel wrote:

"... "An error occurred" is woefully inadequate.  Were other errors
logged? ..." No


No comment on my ENQ hypothesis?  Thinking further, BPXBATCH probably
forks (see BPXBATSL), then shell exec pax forks to a third ASID while the TRS
step is holding ENQ SHR on the data set.  pax (probably via C/C++ RTL)
attempts a contending ENQ EXC on OPEN WRITE.

Dear IBM, Please copy allocation messages to stderr when an error occurs.  OK?


"... Why bother with TRS?  Doesn't your "pax -z" achieve comparable
compression?
(Often a second compression expands the file.  Or, pax without the -z,
then TRS.) ..."I want a robust backup Dataset which can survive
downloads/uploads to non-z/OS platforms.


If the "pax -z" output file is pre-allocated RECFM=FB, it should be comparably
robust.  And those non-z/OS platforms are unlikely to be savvy to TRS.
(But are they just waystations?  I've found Linux pax unable to deal with
z/OS "pax -z" unless I pipe it through gunzip.)


The Dataset and File Names have been masked; /src/ is not MOUNTd at Root

Regards,
David

On 2021-10-11 14:40, Paul Gilmartin wrote:

On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:03:11 -0400, David Spiegel wrote:

I am trying to PAX and TRS a zFS.

When I run a Step to PAX followed by a Step to TRS, I get:
pax: //'MY.PAX': EDC5061I An error occurred when attempting to define a
file to the system.


"An error occurred" is woefully inadequate.  Were other errors logged?

Why bother with TRS?  Doesn't your "pax -z" achieve comparable compression?
(Often a second compression expands the file.  Or, pax without the -z, then 
TRS.)

Time warp?  A subsequent TRS step causes the earlier pax step to fail!?

Does the initiator issue an ENQ because of TRS that somehow causes pax
to fail?  (Remember pax probably forks to a separate ASID.)

(Is /src/ really mounted on root?)

(It's regrettable that pax doesn't support a temp DSN.)


(I tried TAR and got the same result.)
When I run the PAX in one job and the TRS in another job, it works.
Has anyone seen this behaviour? (I'm on z/OS V2.4)

Here is the JCL:
//STEP001 EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH
//STDOUT   DD  SYSOUT=*
//STDERR   DD  SYSOUT=*
//STDPARM  DD  *
SH pax -wzvf  "//'MY.PAX'" /src/
//STEP002 EXEC PGM=AMATERSE,PARM=SPACK
//SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*
//SYSUT1   DD  DISP=SHR,DSN=MY.PAX
//SYSUT2   DD  DISP=(,CATLG),
// UNIT=SYSALLDA,
// DATACLAS=DCZFSEXT,
// STORCLAS=SCZFSEXT,
// SPACE=(CYL,(1000,500),RLSE),
// RECFM=FB,LRECL=1024,BLKSIZE=27648,
// DSN=MY.PAX.TRS


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Re: PAX/TRS zFS

[David Spiegel]

Yes, dynamically allocated

On 2021-10-11 15:10, Carmen Vitullo wrote:

is  the DD for MY.PAX dynamically allocated ?

I've never wrote to a MVS datasets using pax

Carmen


On 10/11/2021 1:03 PM, David Spiegel wrote:

Hi,
I am trying to PAX and TRS a zFS.

When I run a Step to PAX followed by a Step to TRS, I get:
pax: //'MY.PAX': EDC5061I An error occurred when attempting to define 
a file to the system.

(I tried TAR and got the same result.)
When I run the PAX in one job and the TRS in another job, it works.
Has anyone seen this behaviour? (I'm on z/OS V2.4)

Here is the JCL:
//STEP001 EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH
//STDOUT   DD  SYSOUT=*
//STDERR   DD  SYSOUT=*
//STDPARM  DD  *
SH pax -wzvf  "//'MY.PAX'" /src/
//STEP002 EXEC PGM=AMATERSE,PARM=SPACK
//SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*
//SYSUT1   DD  DISP=SHR,DSN=MY.PAX
//SYSUT2   DD  DISP=(,CATLG),
// UNIT=SYSALLDA,
// DATACLAS=DCZFSEXT,
// STORCLAS=SCZFSEXT,
// SPACE=(CYL,(1000,500),RLSE),
// RECFM=FB,LRECL=1024,BLKSIZE=27648,
// DSN=MY.PAX.TRS

Thank you in advance.

Regards,
David

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Re: PAX/TRS zFS

[Carmen Vitullo]

is  the DD for MY.PAX dynamically allocated ?

I've never wrote to a MVS datasets using pax

Carmen


On 10/11/2021 1:03 PM, David Spiegel wrote:

Hi,
I am trying to PAX and TRS a zFS.

When I run a Step to PAX followed by a Step to TRS, I get:
pax: //'MY.PAX': EDC5061I An error occurred when attempting to define 
a file to the system.

(I tried TAR and got the same result.)
When I run the PAX in one job and the TRS in another job, it works.
Has anyone seen this behaviour? (I'm on z/OS V2.4)

Here is the JCL:
//STEP001 EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH
//STDOUT   DD  SYSOUT=*
//STDERR   DD  SYSOUT=*
//STDPARM  DD  *
SH pax -wzvf  "//'MY.PAX'" /src/
//STEP002 EXEC PGM=AMATERSE,PARM=SPACK
//SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*
//SYSUT1   DD  DISP=SHR,DSN=MY.PAX
//SYSUT2   DD  DISP=(,CATLG),
// UNIT=SYSALLDA,
// DATACLAS=DCZFSEXT,
// STORCLAS=SCZFSEXT,
// SPACE=(CYL,(1000,500),RLSE),
// RECFM=FB,LRECL=1024,BLKSIZE=27648,
// DSN=MY.PAX.TRS

Thank you in advance.

Regards,
David

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Re: PAX/TRS zFS

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:51:23 -0400, David Spiegel wrote:
>
>"... "An error occurred" is woefully inadequate.  Were other errors
>logged? ..." No
> 
No comment on my ENQ hypothesis?  Thinking further, BPXBATCH probably
forks (see BPXBATSL), then shell exec pax forks to a third ASID while the TRS
step is holding ENQ SHR on the data set.  pax (probably via C/C++ RTL)
attempts a contending ENQ EXC on OPEN WRITE.

Dear IBM, Please copy allocation messages to stderr when an error occurs.  OK?

>"... Why bother with TRS?  Doesn't your "pax -z" achieve comparable
>compression?
>(Often a second compression expands the file.  Or, pax without the -z,
>then TRS.) ..."I want a robust backup Dataset which can survive
>downloads/uploads to non-z/OS platforms.
>
If the "pax -z" output file is pre-allocated RECFM=FB, it should be comparably
robust.  And those non-z/OS platforms are unlikely to be savvy to TRS.
(But are they just waystations?  I've found Linux pax unable to deal with
z/OS "pax -z" unless I pipe it through gunzip.)

>The Dataset and File Names have been masked; /src/ is not MOUNTd at Root
>
>Regards,
>David
>
>On 2021-10-11 14:40, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:03:11 -0400, David Spiegel wrote:
>>> I am trying to PAX and TRS a zFS.
>>>
>>> When I run a Step to PAX followed by a Step to TRS, I get:
>>> pax: //'MY.PAX': EDC5061I An error occurred when attempting to define a
>>> file to the system.
>>>
>> "An error occurred" is woefully inadequate.  Were other errors logged?
>>
>> Why bother with TRS?  Doesn't your "pax -z" achieve comparable compression?
>> (Often a second compression expands the file.  Or, pax without the -z, then 
>> TRS.)
>>
>> Time warp?  A subsequent TRS step causes the earlier pax step to fail!?
>>
>> Does the initiator issue an ENQ because of TRS that somehow causes pax
>> to fail?  (Remember pax probably forks to a separate ASID.)
>>
>> (Is /src/ really mounted on root?)
>>
>> (It's regrettable that pax doesn't support a temp DSN.)
>>
>>> (I tried TAR and got the same result.)
>>> When I run the PAX in one job and the TRS in another job, it works.
>>> Has anyone seen this behaviour? (I'm on z/OS V2.4)
>>>
>>> Here is the JCL:
>>> //STEP001 EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH
>>> //STDOUT   DD  SYSOUT=*
>>> //STDERR   DD  SYSOUT=*
>>> //STDPARM  DD  *
>>> SH pax -wzvf  "//'MY.PAX'" /src/
>>> //STEP002 EXEC PGM=AMATERSE,PARM=SPACK
>>> //SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*
>>> //SYSUT1   DD  DISP=SHR,DSN=MY.PAX
>>> //SYSUT2   DD  DISP=(,CATLG),
>>> // UNIT=SYSALLDA,
>>> // DATACLAS=DCZFSEXT,
>>> // STORCLAS=SCZFSEXT,
>>> // SPACE=(CYL,(1000,500),RLSE),
>>> // RECFM=FB,LRECL=1024,BLKSIZE=27648,
>>> // DSN=MY.PAX.TRS
>>>
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Re: PAX/TRS zFS

[David Spiegel]

Hi Gil,
"... "An error occurred" is woefully inadequate.  Were other errors 
logged? ..." No


"... Why bother with TRS?  Doesn't your "pax -z" achieve comparable 
compression?
(Often a second compression expands the file.  Or, pax without the -z, 
then TRS.) ..."I want a robust backup Dataset which can survive 
downloads/uploads to non-z/OS platforms.


The Dataset and File Names have been masked; /src/ is not MOUNTd at Root

Regards,
David

On 2021-10-11 14:40, Paul Gilmartin wrote:

On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:03:11 -0400, David Spiegel wrote:

I am trying to PAX and TRS a zFS.

When I run a Step to PAX followed by a Step to TRS, I get:
pax: //'MY.PAX': EDC5061I An error occurred when attempting to define a
file to the system.


"An error occurred" is woefully inadequate.  Were other errors logged?

Why bother with TRS?  Doesn't your "pax -z" achieve comparable compression?
(Often a second compression expands the file.  Or, pax without the -z, then 
TRS.)

Time warp?  A subsequent TRS step causes the earlier pax step to fail!?

Does the initiator issue an ENQ because of TRS that somehow causes pax
to fail?  (Remember pax probably forks to a separate ASID.)

(Is /src/ really mounted on root?)

(It's regrettable that pax doesn't support a temp DSN.)


(I tried TAR and got the same result.)
When I run the PAX in one job and the TRS in another job, it works.
Has anyone seen this behaviour? (I'm on z/OS V2.4)

Here is the JCL:
//STEP001 EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH
//STDOUT   DD  SYSOUT=*
//STDERR   DD  SYSOUT=*
//STDPARM  DD  *
SH pax -wzvf  "//'MY.PAX'" /src/
//STEP002 EXEC PGM=AMATERSE,PARM=SPACK
//SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*
//SYSUT1   DD  DISP=SHR,DSN=MY.PAX
//SYSUT2   DD  DISP=(,CATLG),
// UNIT=SYSALLDA,
// DATACLAS=DCZFSEXT,
// STORCLAS=SCZFSEXT,
// SPACE=(CYL,(1000,500),RLSE),
// RECFM=FB,LRECL=1024,BLKSIZE=27648,
// DSN=MY.PAX.TRS


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Re: PAX/TRS zFS

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:03:11 -0400, David Spiegel wrote:
>
>I am trying to PAX and TRS a zFS.
>
>When I run a Step to PAX followed by a Step to TRS, I get:
>pax: //'MY.PAX': EDC5061I An error occurred when attempting to define a
>file to the system. 
>
"An error occurred" is woefully inadequate.  Were other errors logged?

Why bother with TRS?  Doesn't your "pax -z" achieve comparable compression?
(Often a second compression expands the file.  Or, pax without the -z, then 
TRS.)

Time warp?  A subsequent TRS step causes the earlier pax step to fail!?

Does the initiator issue an ENQ because of TRS that somehow causes pax
to fail?  (Remember pax probably forks to a separate ASID.)

(Is /src/ really mounted on root?)

(It's regrettable that pax doesn't support a temp DSN.)

>(I tried TAR and got the same result.)
>When I run the PAX in one job and the TRS in another job, it works.
>Has anyone seen this behaviour? (I'm on z/OS V2.4)
>
>Here is the JCL:
>//STEP001 EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH
>//STDOUT   DD  SYSOUT=*
>//STDERR   DD  SYSOUT=*
>//STDPARM  DD  *
>SH pax -wzvf  "//'MY.PAX'" /src/
>//STEP002 EXEC PGM=AMATERSE,PARM=SPACK
>//SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*
>//SYSUT1   DD  DISP=SHR,DSN=MY.PAX
>//SYSUT2   DD  DISP=(,CATLG),
>// UNIT=SYSALLDA,
>// DATACLAS=DCZFSEXT,
>// STORCLAS=SCZFSEXT,
>// SPACE=(CYL,(1000,500),RLSE),
>// RECFM=FB,LRECL=1024,BLKSIZE=27648,
>// DSN=MY.PAX.TRS
>
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PAX/TRS zFS

[David Spiegel]

Hi,
I am trying to PAX and TRS a zFS.

When I run a Step to PAX followed by a Step to TRS, I get:
pax: //'MY.PAX': EDC5061I An error occurred when attempting to define a 
file to the system.

(I tried TAR and got the same result.)
When I run the PAX in one job and the TRS in another job, it works.
Has anyone seen this behaviour? (I'm on z/OS V2.4)

Here is the JCL:
//STEP001 EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH
//STDOUT   DD  SYSOUT=*
//STDERR   DD  SYSOUT=*
//STDPARM  DD  *
SH pax -wzvf  "//'MY.PAX'" /src/
//STEP002 EXEC PGM=AMATERSE,PARM=SPACK
//SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*
//SYSUT1   DD  DISP=SHR,DSN=MY.PAX
//SYSUT2   DD  DISP=(,CATLG),
// UNIT=SYSALLDA,
// DATACLAS=DCZFSEXT,
// STORCLAS=SCZFSEXT,
// SPACE=(CYL,(1000,500),RLSE),
// RECFM=FB,LRECL=1024,BLKSIZE=27648,
// DSN=MY.PAX.TRS

Thank you in advance.

Regards,
David

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Re: Mainframe ransomware solution

[Bob Bridges]

Newfoundland?  Ok, now for something ~completely~ off-topic:

Back during 09-11, a lot of commercial flights were grounded for some days -- 
all over the world maybe, in Europe and the US for sure.  A lot of 
transatlantic flights went to earth in Newfoundland, and hundreds or maybe 
thousand of passengers glutted all the hotels; there was no place to put them.  
Newfoundlanders took the overflow into their homes, fed them, sometimes 
entertained them.  It was all the news at the time, here.

I swore if I ever met a Newfie, I'd buy him dinner, as a ~very~ slight return 
on the karma earned.  I have yet to pay off on that debt; it's accumulating 
interest.

If you or your coworker ever happen by North Carolina...

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/* While mathematicians often do not have much humility, we all have lots of 
experience with humiliation.  -Dan Goldston, in his acceptance speech for the 
prestigious Cole Prize */

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
David Spiegel
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 10:44

This reminds me of a story from the early '90s, when I worked for a 
multi-national food company. (I actually worked for more than one.) One of the 
Help Desk guys decided to customize "his own" TPX screen.  He made it say 
"Welcome to Hell".

When I got in, I booted DOS (IBM PS/2 Model 70), started Windows 3.1 and then 
started PCOMM.  As soon as I noticed the "greeting", I walked over to the Help 
Desk and nonchalantly asked Billy if he had customized anything since 17:00 the 
day before.  He admitted to changing the greeting, but, had no clue that he 
would be affecting 2,000 users coast to coast.

After a string of blue words including: "Lard Tunderin' Jeezus" (hat's 
Newfoundland-speak for what we now call Whiskey Tango Foxtrot), he removed it.

I pointed out to him that he was fortunate that I arrived before the president. 
He would've bought me a coffee, but, we had free coffee at work, one of the 
perqs (a bad pun).

--- On 2021-10-11 10:22, Bob Bridges wrote:
> Managers have no sense of humour where it doesn't matter.  Well, some 
> managers.
>
> I still remember fondly my messing with a coworker's PC menu.  I don't 
> remember which menu system we were using at the time, but Roberto had found 
> some little gag app that would display a blimp for a few seconds with your 
> selected message scrolling across it.  So while he was out I fixed up his 
> menu so that when he fired up Word, it would 1) display the blimp ("Roberto 
> is a doofus!"), 2) erase the blimp call from the Word menu option so it would 
> look normal, and 3) start Word.  The Harvard Graphics option would put the 
> blimp back in his Word option.  So until he figured out the pattern, it would 
> display the blimp at seemingly random intervals, but whenever he looked at 
> the Word option under the covers there was nothing there.
>
> I was also charmed by a (different) coworker who modified his copy of PC DOS; 
> instead of "Bad command or file name", it said "Say what, hippo fingers?".  I 
> never bothered until just now to verify that those two messages are exactly 
> the same length; I just assumed that his replacement was no longer than the 
> official text.
>
> All very harmless.  I guess I'm just not a serious hacker.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
> CM Poncelet
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 22:23
>
> This reminds me of someone at a Company I worked for, can't remember which, 
> where some programmer had displayed a prompt for whatever to which an 
> end-user replied "f*@k" - upon which the program then replied, "Your place or 
> mine?" Needless to say, management was not amused by this and the programmer 
> was given a "good talking to" if not then also put on "garden leave". 
>   
> --- On 10/10/2021 15:52, PINION, RICHARD W. wrote:
>> The only thing I ever put on a system, similar to that, was a TSO program 
>> which produced a crude picture of the one finger salute.  You could put 
>> whatever message you wanted on the hand.  Silly me, I had the program 
>> executing at TSO logon.  Management was not amused.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Peter Sylvester
>> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:36 AM
>> You could have "protected" the VM systems as much as you want, if a "friend" 
>> send you an exec/script/clist and you execute it. the was actually created 
>> as small joke by a student at one of the EARN/BITNET nodes who did not see 
>> that it could escape from the site.
>>
>> my old friend Helmut on the neighbour node detected "patient 0". It rapidely 
>> entered vnet which was shutdown (to remove all copies afaik), earn bitnet 
>> was saved by Eric Thomas by filtering in rscs. You had to execute it, a 
>> global social attack/joke, not like the other real worm in sendmail
>>
>> --- On 08/10/2021 16:43, David Spiegel wrote:
>>> "... What about the Christmas Card Worm? ..."
>>>
>>> 

Re: Mainframe ransomware solution

[ITschak Mugzach]

I thought this is a mainframe mailing list...

About ten years ago, during a security consultancy work I performed at a
client shop, I noticed that CICS is not properly protected. I told the
sysprog and the CIO what changes need to be done, but the sysprog insist
that the system is secured. I got a permission to teach him a lesson.
I noticed that the connection to a partner company is not secure, so I
called their sysprog and asked him to use CRTE tran over this connection
and disable a specific transaction. The local sysprog start getting calls
from branch offices telling him that the function is not working. It took
him some time to find that the transaction is disabled and to enable it.
immediately after, we asked the other sysprog to disable it again... we
made it few cycles until we told him that his system was penetrated from
outside of the organization and that his system is not secure.

ITschak



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On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 5:23 PM Bob Bridges  wrote:

> Managers have no sense of humour where it doesn't matter.  Well, some
> managers.
>
> I still remember fondly my messing with a coworker's PC menu.  I don't
> remember which menu system we were using at the time, but Roberto had found
> some little gag app that would display a blimp for a few seconds with your
> selected message scrolling across it.  So while he was out I fixed up his
> menu so that when he fired up Word, it would 1) display the blimp ("Roberto
> is a doofus!"), 2) erase the blimp call from the Word menu option so it
> would look normal, and 3) start Word.  The Harvard Graphics option would
> put the blimp back in his Word option.  So until he figured out the
> pattern, it would display the blimp at seemingly random intervals, but
> whenever he looked at the Word option under the covers there was nothing
> there.
>
> I was also charmed by a (different) coworker who modified his copy of PC
> DOS; instead of "Bad command or file name", it said "Say what, hippo
> fingers?".  I never bothered until just now to verify that those two
> messages are exactly the same length; I just assumed that his replacement
> was no longer than the official text.
>
> All very harmless.  I guess I'm just not a serious hacker.
>
> ---
> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313
>
> /* While mathematicians often do not have much humility, we all have lots
> of experience with humiliation.  -Dan Goldston, in his acceptance speech
> for the prestigious Cole Prize */
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf
> Of CM Poncelet
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 22:23
>
> This reminds me of someone at a Company I worked for, can't remember
> which, where some programmer had displayed a prompt for whatever to which
> an end-user replied "f*@k" - upon which the program then replied, "Your
> place or mine?" Needless to say, management was not amused by this and the
> programmer was given a "good talking to" if not then also put on "garden
> leave". 
>
> --- On 10/10/2021 15:52, PINION, RICHARD W. wrote:
> > The only thing I ever put on a system, similar to that, was a TSO
> program which produced a crude picture of the one finger salute.  You could
> put whatever message you wanted on the hand.  Silly me, I had the program
> executing at TSO logon.  Management was not amused.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Peter Sylvester
> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:36 AM
>
> > You could have "protected" the VM systems as much as you want, if a
> "friend" send you an exec/script/clist and you execute it. the was actually
> created as small joke by a student at one of the EARN/BITNET nodes who did
> not see that it could escape from the site.
> >
> > my old friend Helmut on the neighbour node detected "patient 0". It
> rapidely entered vnet which was shutdown (to remove all copies afaik), earn
> bitnet was saved by Eric Thomas by filtering in rscs. You had to execute
> it, a global social attack/joke, not like the other real worm in sendmail
> >
> > --- On 08/10/2021 16:43, David Spiegel wrote:
> >> "... What about the Christmas Card Worm? ..."
> >>
> >> That was AFAIK on a VM system, not, an MVS system.
>
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Re: Mainframe ransomware solution

[Phil Smith III]

Well, now that this thread has devolved into war stories (often the best
part of a day's digest):

 

A friend working helpdesk once hacked an end-user's PROFILE EXEC on CMS so
that every OTHER time he logged on, it would do something odd, forget what.
User made SEVERAL trips between her* office and the helpdesk office before
he finally let her in on the joke.

 

(Several things in that story that couldn't happen today: having a help
desk, having it local, end-users on CMS, etc.)

 

 

*Prankster wasn't sexist-I believe both were men. I chose genders to make it
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Re: Mainframe ransomware solution

[David Spiegel]

Hi Bob,
This reminds me of a story from the early '90s, when I worked for a 
multi-national food company. (I actually worked for more than one.)

One of the Help Desk guys decided to customize "his own" TPX screen.
He made it say "Welcome to Hell".
When I got in, I booted DOS (IBM PS/2 Model 70), started Windows 3.1 and 
then started PCOMM.
As soon as I noticed the "greeting", I walked over to the Help Desk and 
nonchalantly asked Billy if he had customized anything since 17:00 the 
day before.
He admitted to changing the greeting, but, had no clue that he would be 
affecting 2,000 users coast to coast.
After a string of blue words including: "Lard Tunderin' Jeezus" (hat's 
Newfoundland-speak for what we now call Whiskey Tango Foxtrot), he 
removed it.
I pointed out to him that he was fortunate that I arrived before the 
president. He would've bought me a coffee, but, we had free coffee at 
work, one of the perqs (a bad pun).


Regards,
David

On 2021-10-11 10:22, Bob Bridges wrote:

Managers have no sense of humour where it doesn't matter.  Well, some managers.

I still remember fondly my messing with a coworker's PC menu.  I don't remember which 
menu system we were using at the time, but Roberto had found some little gag app that 
would display a blimp for a few seconds with your selected message scrolling across it.  
So while he was out I fixed up his menu so that when he fired up Word, it would 1) 
display the blimp ("Roberto is a doofus!"), 2) erase the blimp call from the 
Word menu option so it would look normal, and 3) start Word.  The Harvard Graphics option 
would put the blimp back in his Word option.  So until he figured out the pattern, it 
would display the blimp at seemingly random intervals, but whenever he looked at the Word 
option under the covers there was nothing there.

I was also charmed by a (different) coworker who modified his copy of PC DOS; instead of "Bad 
command or file name", it said "Say what, hippo fingers?".  I never bothered until 
just now to verify that those two messages are exactly the same length; I just assumed that his 
replacement was no longer than the official text.

All very harmless.  I guess I'm just not a serious hacker.

---
Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313

/* While mathematicians often do not have much humility, we all have lots of 
experience with humiliation.  -Dan Goldston, in his acceptance speech for the 
prestigious Cole Prize */

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of CM 
Poncelet
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 22:23

This reminds me of someone at a Company I worked for, can't remember which, where some programmer had displayed a prompt for 
whatever to which an end-user replied "f*@k" - upon which the program then replied, "Your place or mine?" 
Needless to say, management was not amused by this and the programmer was given a "good talking to" if not then 
also put on "garden leave". 
  
--- On 10/10/2021 15:52, PINION, RICHARD W. wrote:

The only thing I ever put on a system, similar to that, was a TSO program which 
produced a crude picture of the one finger salute.  You could put whatever 
message you wanted on the hand.  Silly me, I had the program executing at TSO 
logon.  Management was not amused.

-Original Message-
From: Peter Sylvester
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:36 AM
You could have "protected" the VM systems as much as you want, if a "friend" 
send you an exec/script/clist and you execute it. the was actually created as small joke by a 
student at one of the EARN/BITNET nodes who did not see that it could escape from the site.

my old friend Helmut on the neighbour node detected "patient 0". It rapidely 
entered vnet which was shutdown (to remove all copies afaik), earn bitnet was saved by 
Eric Thomas by filtering in rscs. You had to execute it, a global social attack/joke, not 
like the other real worm in sendmail

--- On 08/10/2021 16:43, David Spiegel wrote:

"... What about the Christmas Card Worm? ..."

That was AFAIK on a VM system, not, an MVS system.

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Re: Mainframe ransomware solution

[Bob Bridges]

Managers have no sense of humour where it doesn't matter.  Well, some managers.

I still remember fondly my messing with a coworker's PC menu.  I don't remember 
which menu system we were using at the time, but Roberto had found some little 
gag app that would display a blimp for a few seconds with your selected message 
scrolling across it.  So while he was out I fixed up his menu so that when he 
fired up Word, it would 1) display the blimp ("Roberto is a doofus!"), 2) erase 
the blimp call from the Word menu option so it would look normal, and 3) start 
Word.  The Harvard Graphics option would put the blimp back in his Word option. 
 So until he figured out the pattern, it would display the blimp at seemingly 
random intervals, but whenever he looked at the Word option under the covers 
there was nothing there.

I was also charmed by a (different) coworker who modified his copy of PC DOS; 
instead of "Bad command or file name", it said "Say what, hippo fingers?".  I 
never bothered until just now to verify that those two messages are exactly the 
same length; I just assumed that his replacement was no longer than the 
official text.

All very harmless.  I guess I'm just not a serious hacker.

---
Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313

/* While mathematicians often do not have much humility, we all have lots of 
experience with humiliation.  -Dan Goldston, in his acceptance speech for the 
prestigious Cole Prize */

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of CM 
Poncelet
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 22:23

This reminds me of someone at a Company I worked for, can't remember which, 
where some programmer had displayed a prompt for whatever to which an end-user 
replied "f*@k" - upon which the program then replied, "Your place or mine?" 
Needless to say, management was not amused by this and the programmer was given 
a "good talking to" if not then also put on "garden leave". 
 
--- On 10/10/2021 15:52, PINION, RICHARD W. wrote:
> The only thing I ever put on a system, similar to that, was a TSO program 
> which produced a crude picture of the one finger salute.  You could put 
> whatever message you wanted on the hand.  Silly me, I had the program 
> executing at TSO logon.  Management was not amused.  
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Sylvester
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:36 AM

> You could have "protected" the VM systems as much as you want, if a "friend" 
> send you an exec/script/clist and you execute it. the was actually created as 
> small joke by a student at one of the EARN/BITNET nodes who did not see that 
> it could escape from the site.
>
> my old friend Helmut on the neighbour node detected "patient 0". It rapidely 
> entered vnet which was shutdown (to remove all copies afaik), earn bitnet was 
> saved by Eric Thomas by filtering in rscs. You had to execute it, a global 
> social attack/joke, not like the other real worm in sendmail
>
> --- On 08/10/2021 16:43, David Spiegel wrote:
>> "... What about the Christmas Card Worm? ..."
>>
>> That was AFAIK on a VM system, not, an MVS system.

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Re: Passing user/pw in to BPXBATCH SFTP

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 02:57:56 -0500, Jantje.  wrote:

>Co:ZBatch, Co:Z sftp and passwordless authentication (using ssh keys) have 
>done it very well for me.
>
Up to a point.  I once chatted with our sysprog.  We intended to
exchange data with another organization.  The protocol verifieduser IDs.
They insisted on lower case IDs; z/OS UNIX on upper case.  Neither
side would budge.  USERIDALIASTABLE might have provided a
solution.  Instead,  the project was abandoned.

(Why USERIDALIASTABLE rather than just a RACF OMVS entry?)

-- gil

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Re: Passing user/pw in to BPXBATCH SFTP

[Jantje.]

Co:ZBatch, Co:Z sftp and passwordless authentication (using ssh keys) have done 
it very well for me.

Cheers,

Jantje.

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