Re: AWS Outage Analysis: December 7, 2021

[Tom Brennan]

I don't agree (surprise!) I've always advocated putting all your eggs in 
one basket, and then taking really good care of that basket with 
backups, DR, procedures, dual this, dual that, etc.


On 12/10/2021 5:55 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:

This paragraph concerns me.
One of the founding principles of the early Internet design was 
decentralization – by design, a single fault would not be able to take out 
everything. In a way, today’s reliance on large cloud providers removes the 
benefits of decentralization; we rely on the scalability, cost effectiveness, 
and flexibility of today’s SaaS and Cloud offerings yet we are potentially 
putting all of our eggs into one basket. This same statement applies to CDNs, 
as seen with the recent Akamai outage from this past summer.
This was one of the drawbacks we experienced when our GM subsidiary (and all GM 
subsidiaries eventually) combined into EDS data centers. Charlotte was where 
ours was located. If the mainframe went down in Charlotte, multiple GM 
subsidiaries were screwed. Costing GM tens of millions in highly paid union 
labor twiddling their thumbs.
If an ETSY business owner selling crocheted scarves has a 4 hour outage, it’s 
probably not that bad. If an auto plant, bank or brokerage, health care 
provider, insurance company, or airline is down for 4 hours, it could be 
disastrous.
Clouds aren’t all they’re cracked up to be.


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On Friday, December 10, 2021, 8:00 PM, Mark Regan  wrote:

Since this topic is still somewhat active, I thought I'd forward this link.

https://www.thousandeyes.com/blog/aws-outage-analysis-dec-7-2021

Regards,

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Re: AWS Outage Analysis: December 7, 2021

[Bill Johnson]

This paragraph concerns me.
One of the founding principles of the early Internet design was 
decentralization – by design, a single fault would not be able to take out 
everything. In a way, today’s reliance on large cloud providers removes the 
benefits of decentralization; we rely on the scalability, cost effectiveness, 
and flexibility of today’s SaaS and Cloud offerings yet we are potentially 
putting all of our eggs into one basket. This same statement applies to CDNs, 
as seen with the recent Akamai outage from this past summer.
This was one of the drawbacks we experienced when our GM subsidiary (and all GM 
subsidiaries eventually) combined into EDS data centers. Charlotte was where 
ours was located. If the mainframe went down in Charlotte, multiple GM 
subsidiaries were screwed. Costing GM tens of millions in highly paid union 
labor twiddling their thumbs.
If an ETSY business owner selling crocheted scarves has a 4 hour outage, it’s 
probably not that bad. If an auto plant, bank or brokerage, health care 
provider, insurance company, or airline is down for 4 hours, it could be 
disastrous.
Clouds aren’t all they’re cracked up to be.


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On Friday, December 10, 2021, 8:00 PM, Mark Regan  wrote:

Since this topic is still somewhat active, I thought I'd forward this link.

https://www.thousandeyes.com/blog/aws-outage-analysis-dec-7-2021

Regards,

Mark Regan, K8MTR, EN80tg
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years with the Ohio Air National Guard)
Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017 (z/OS Network Software Consultant)
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AWS Outage Analysis: December 7, 2021

[Mark Regan]

Since this topic is still somewhat active, I thought I'd forward this link.

https://www.thousandeyes.com/blog/aws-outage-analysis-dec-7-2021

Regards,

Mark Regan, K8MTR, EN80tg
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years with the Ohio Air National Guard)
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Re: ServiceLink down?

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 13:13:48 -0800, Ed Jaffe wrote:
>
>I don't know how the VM 3270 version fared by comparison. Anecdotally I
>don't remember ever seeing it down...
> 
Many years ago when it was new, I think, and called HONE(?) it crashed
on me and gave me CP READ prompts *on*their*server*.  I wished I knew
more CP commands ...  I didn't try CP IPL ...

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Re: Replacement for TM instruction

[Robin Vowels]

Murphy's Law is   "If anything can go wrong, it will."
Roberts's Law is: "Even if it can't go wrong, it will."

(will the real Murphy please stand up?)

On 2021-12-11 08:04, Charles Mills wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law

Charles


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Re: ServiceLink down?

[Ed Jaffe]

On 12/10/2021 7:13 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:

Most of the “downtime” for IBMLINK I’ve seen discussed here has been people 
using the wrong link or some other user error. Maybe someone from IBM with the 
facts can shed some light on the ACTUAL downtime? In my entire career of 40 
years, I don’t recall it ever being unavailable when I’ve needed it.


Over the years, IBMLink (the web-based version) has suffered some long 
outages -- both scheduled and unscheduled.


I don't know how the VM 3270 version fared by comparison. Anecdotally I 
don't remember ever seeing it down...


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Re: Replacement for TM instruction

[Charles Mills]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law 

Charles


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For a test of a single bit you can do a logical and on a copy of the byte or
use NRK.
For testing multiple bits you can execute a TM.

You mean, EXexute a TM.

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Re: Replacement for TM instruction

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For a test of a single bit you can do a logical and on a copy of the byte or 
use NRK.
For testing multiple bits you can execute a TM.

You mean, EXexute a TM.

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Re: ServiceLink down?

[Jeremy Nicoll]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2021, at 15:13, Bill Johnson wrote:
> Most of the “downtime” for IBMLINK I’ve seen discussed here has been 
> people using the wrong link or some other user error. 

Presumably the "wrong link" previously worked.  If IBM have moved the 
service somewhere else, shouldn't they have provided redirects from 
the old location to the new one, and/or very visible banners telling 
people that in so-many days the old link will no longer work?

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Re: RES: AWS is down.

[Bill Johnson]

Not sure if anyone saw that Oracle Chairman Larry Ellison, during the investors 
earnings call yesterday, trolled AWS saying the Oracle cloud doesn’t go down. 
Oracle up almost 15% today on stellar earnings and guidance.


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On Thursday, December 9, 2021, 11:59 PM, David Crayford  
wrote:

On 8/12/21 9:34 pm, Bodra - Pessoal wrote:
> Just a very simple question: They know word CONTINGENCY and data MIRROR?


Of course they do. Cloud computing providers allow you to set 
availability zones on different data centeres and they replicate. Like 
most It outages I suspect human error just like Facebook a couple of 
months ago. You can build the most reliable
infrastructure in the world but if a human is involved you are always in 
danger of an outage.


>
> Most of mainframe installations that I know today has contingency plans, 
> mirror backup links, backup power sources etc... Cloud haven´t this, or is 
> too expensive?
>
>
> Carlos Bodra
> IBM zEnterprise Certified
> São Paulo – SP – Brazil
>
>
> -Mensagem original-
> De: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  Em nome de 
> kekronbekron
> Enviada em: quarta-feira, 8 de dezembro de 2021 10:26
> Para: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Assunto: Re: AWS is down.
>
> Of course, agreed. Just saying that MF isn't the one and only, best possible 
> server/platform, in all of time.
> What's wrong with others trying, however futile it may or may not be.
> IBM sure did try when they first created the MF.
>
> - KB
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>
> On Wednesday, December 8th, 2021 at 5:45 PM, David Spiegel 
>  wrote:
>
>> You said: "...  Did the world not exist before 1960s?
>>
>> Did people automatically die before 1960s because they didn't have MF? ..."
>>
>> Yes, the world existed before the 1960s and, no, nobody died as a result
>>
>> of no mainframe.
>>
>> You're forgetting that the world was a different place then.
>>
>> Computer-based patient care was not invented until 1969.
>>
>> I can remember going to my bank (in the 1960S) and having the teller
>>
>> write my transaction in my bankbook with a pen.
>>
>> The credit card had just been invented. Most people still wrote cheques
>>
>> or paid in cash. There were no ATMs until 1969. There were no cellular
>>
>> telephones.
>>
>> There was no Internet as we know it today etc.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> David
>>
>> On 2021-12-08 01:33, kekronbekron wrote:
>>
>>> Critical infra in some places, sure, not everyone is denying that.
>>>
>>> At the moment of urgent need, do people really buy something and wait for 
>>> MF to finish processing, for them to be then allowed to continue breathing?
>>>
>>> What happened to the interim stages (logstics etc).
>>>
>>> It sounds as though failure to buy/order something immediately is going to 
>>> lead to their death... is what's being said.
>>>
>>> Sounds pretty privileged to me.
>>>
>>> It also sounds like it's assumed that mainframes will last 500 years, no?
>>>
>>> Did the world not exist before 1960s?
>>>
>>> Did people automatically die before 1960s because they didn't have MF?
>>>
>>> Are people and organizations not allowed to be wrong (to their own 
>>> detriment), etc.
>>>
>>> Are we sure that 100% of all information out there is truth, apart from 
>>> this announcement that AWS wants to replace MF?
>>>
>>> We can all like MF, but don't need to act like it's the sole saviour of 
>>> humanity.
>>>
>>> Again that means that all technology that evolved since then is a complete 
>>> waste of time and people's efforts.
>>>
>>> Sounds pretty delusional to me... just to convey that MFs are good servers.
>>>
>>> -  KB
>>>
>>> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 8th, 2021 at 10:00 AM, Bill Johnson 
>>> 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote:
>>>
 AWS had a larger & longer outage today, than all the outages on the 
 mainframes I’ve worked on in the last 30 years. Much worse. Yet, some here 
 think AWS is going to replace the mainframe for critical applications like 
 banking, health care, big retail, and insurance. Plus, the mainframe has 
 had plenty of negative posts here in the decades I’ve been involved. 
 Nobody dies when Netflix isn’t available. (One of the hits from today) 
 people can and do die if the drugs they need aren’t available because the 
 computer system is down.

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 On Tuesday, December 7, 2021, 11:01 PM, kekronbekron 
 02dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote:

 Not at anybody in particular:

 Do we have to make snide remarks because someone else had an outage?

 Don't we remember the times when things on the mainframe itself went south?

 Has every site's MF env. been 100% available through all these decades?

 Is it wrong to fail sometimes?

 Is this the attitude with which you'd like to retire, holding onto 
 precious remarks and burning the path 

Re: ServiceLink down?

[Bill Johnson]

Most of the “downtime” for IBMLINK I’ve seen discussed here has been people 
using the wrong link or some other user error. Maybe someone from IBM with the 
facts can shed some light on the ACTUAL downtime? In my entire career of 40 
years, I don’t recall it ever being unavailable when I’ve needed it.


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On Friday, December 10, 2021, 10:08 AM, Carmen Vitullo  
wrote:

maybe they need to practice what they preach.

Working for an outsourcer years ago we had clients that hand NO downtime 
using the sysplex as it was designed. that's what IBM sold them/us for 
100% up time, just sayin :)

workloads moved around the plex as maint was applied, lpars were moved 
to new hardware with no outage to the plex


Carmen

On 12/10/2021 9:01 AM, Allan Staller wrote:
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>
> They might as we be with all of the downtime they have thrown at us.
>
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> Whew, for a minute there, I thought IBM was running servicelink on AWS.
>
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> On Friday, December 10, 2021, 9:43 AM, Carmen Vitullo  
> wrote:
>
> I should have added, the link you provided does not work
>
> I used
>
> www-03.ibm.com/ibmlink/servicelink
>
> Carmen
>
>
> On 12/10/2021 8:33 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:
>> Is anyone else having trouble logging  into ServiceLink?
>>
>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.i
>> bmlink.ibm.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C73d238b
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>> C637747452180660481%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIj
>> oiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=FXlJ86Ji4ALl
>> zkNFvXXYsJf8JLrk4gr%2FXhmdo7sNSHU%3Dreserved=0> links.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibmlink.ibm.com%2F& 
>> amp;data=04%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C73d238bc6b554140008f08d9b 
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Re: ServiceLink down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

maybe they need to practice what they preach.

Working for an outsourcer years ago we had clients that hand NO downtime 
using the sysplex as it was designed. that's what IBM sold them/us for 
100% up time, just sayin :)


workloads moved around the plex as maint was applied, lpars were moved 
to new hardware with no outage to the plex



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On 12/10/2021 9:01 AM, Allan Staller wrote:

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They might as we be with all of the downtime they have thrown at us.

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Whew, for a minute there, I thought IBM was running servicelink on AWS.


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On Friday, December 10, 2021, 9:43 AM, Carmen Vitullo  
wrote:

I should have added, the link you provided does not work

I used

www-03.ibm.com/ibmlink/servicelink

Carmen


On 12/10/2021 8:33 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:

Is anyone else having trouble logging  into ServiceLink?

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bmlink.ibm.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C73d238b
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: HSM went into a hang state

[DE ARAUJO Ricardo]

 Classification : Public 

Hi,

At the problem, messages of the begin and the end of PSM or IM as issued by 
HSM? 

This can be a good way to monitor HSM activity by Automation. 

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Objet : [EXTERNAL] Re: HSM went into a hang state

I have seen situations where HSM hangs due to a hardware fault on a tape 
device. If the resultant WTO or WTOR is not replied to, and/or is accidentally 
removed the device can be left hanging for weeks.

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Subject: Re: HSM went into a hang state

Classification: Confidential

The most common reason I have seen for this is HSM managing a volume that 
contains the HSM CDS's.
I strongly suggest isolation of the HSM CDS's to a non-hsm managed volume(s).

The most likely reason for the hang is a grs deadlock between HSM (managing  
the volume) and HSM (accessing the CDS's.
Perhaps if the condition in excess of (e.g. 15 min). alert the operator.

HTH,
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I don't know if anyone else has come across this but HSM went into a hang state 
in production for several hours. There was no indication of this and it only 
came to light because jobs began to fail due to datasets not being recalled. 
This has been reported to IBM and no doubt a fix will ensue.

However the customer has asked me if an alert could be generated if this 
happens again. Does anyone have any ideas how this hang state could be detected 
so that an alert could be generated ?

Regards,
John.

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Re: ServiceLink down?

[Allan Staller]

Classification: Confidential

They might as we be with all of the downtime they have thrown at us.

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Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 9:00 AM
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Whew, for a minute there, I thought IBM was running servicelink on AWS.


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I should have added, the link you provided does not work

I used

www-03.ibm.com/ibmlink/servicelink

Carmen


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> Is anyone else having trouble logging  into ServiceLink?
>
> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.i
> bmlink.ibm.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C73d238b
> c6b554140008f08d9bbedc55b%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7
> C637747452180660481%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIj
> oiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=FXlJ86Ji4ALl
> zkNFvXXYsJf8JLrk4gr%2FXhmdo7sNSHU%3Dreserved=0 links.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibmlink.ibm.com%2F&
> amp;data=04%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C73d238bc6b554140008f08d9b
> bedc55b%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C63774745218066048
> 1%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6
> Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=FXlJ86Ji4ALlzkNFvXXYsJf8JLrk4g
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Re: ServiceLink down?

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Whew, for a minute there, I thought IBM was running servicelink on AWS.


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wrote:

I should have added, the link you provided does not work

I used

www-03.ibm.com/ibmlink/servicelink

Carmen


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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: HSM went into a hang state

[DE ARAUJO Ricardo]

 Classification : Interne 

Hi,

At the problem, messages of the begin and the end of PSM or IM as issued by 
HSM? 

This can be a good way to monitor HSM activity by Automation. 

Ricardo  




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-Message d'origine-
De : IBM Mainframe Discussion List  De la part de 
Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw
Envoyé : vendredi 10 décembre 2021 15:28
À : IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Objet : [EXTERNAL] Re: HSM went into a hang state

I have seen situations where HSM hangs due to a hardware fault on a tape 
device. If the resultant WTO or WTOR is not replied to, and/or is accidentally 
removed the device can be left hanging for weeks.

Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw
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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Allan Staller
Sent: 10 December 2021 13:49
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: HSM went into a hang state

Classification: Confidential

The most common reason I have seen for this is HSM managing a volume that 
contains the HSM CDS's.
I strongly suggest isolation of the HSM CDS's to a non-hsm managed volume(s).

The most likely reason for the hang is a grs deadlock between HSM (managing  
the volume) and HSM (accessing the CDS's.
Perhaps if the condition in excess of (e.g. 15 min). alert the operator.

HTH,
.
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
John Blythe Reid
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 2:48 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: HSM went into a hang state

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I don't know if anyone else has come across this but HSM went into a hang state 
in production for several hours. There was no indication of this and it only 
came to light because jobs began to fail due to datasets not being recalled. 
This has been reported to IBM and no doubt a fix will ensue.

However the customer has asked me if an alert could be generated if this 
happens again. Does anyone have any ideas how this hang state could be detected 
so that an alert could be generated ?

Regards,
John.

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Re: ServiceLink down?

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I usually use the even shorter:ibm.com/ibmlink

Denis.

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Sent: Fri, Dec 10, 2021 3:43 pm
Subject: Re: ServiceLink down?

I should have added, the link you provided does not work

I used

www-03.ibm.com/ibmlink/servicelink

Carmen


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>
> www.ibmlink.ibm.com
>
> Bob
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Re: [External] Re: ServiceLink down?

[Price, Sandra M]

Thanks so much!

Sandy Price, MS.
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Great! your welcome Bob


Carmen

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> I'll update my bookmark! It worked!!! Thanks! 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
> Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo
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> Subject: Re: ServiceLink down?
>
> I should have added, the link you provided does not work
>
> I used
>
> www-03.ibm.com/ibmlink/servicelink
>
> Carmen
>
>
> On 12/10/2021 8:33 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:
>> Is anyone else having trouble logging  into ServiceLink?
>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.ibmlink.ibm.com__;!!HYmSToo!KW
>> wDqMp8jF7gVD-ih79deQ-77-EJ_Ur4idwcgISiR897tF-KriBEJOnUK-cqma0c0Q$ 
>> > WwDqMp8jF7gVD-ih79deQ-77-EJ_Ur4idwcgISiR897tF-KriBEJOnUK-cqma0c0Q$ >
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>> Bob
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Re: [External] ServiceLink down?

[Price, Sandra M]

Me as well.

Sandy Price, MS.
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Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 9:34 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [External] ServiceLink down?

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Is anyone else having trouble logging  into ServiceLink?

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Re: ServiceLink down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

Great! your welcome Bob


Carmen

On 12/10/2021 8:45 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:

I'll update my bookmark! It worked!!! Thanks! 

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 9:43 AM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: ServiceLink down?

I should have added, the link you provided does not work

I used

www-03.ibm.com/ibmlink/servicelink

Carmen


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Re: ServiceLink down?

[Richards, Robert B. (CTR)]

I'll update my bookmark! It worked!!! Thanks! 

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 9:43 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: ServiceLink down?

I should have added, the link you provided does not work

I used

www-03.ibm.com/ibmlink/servicelink

Carmen


On 12/10/2021 8:33 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:
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>
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Re: ServiceLink down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

I should have added, the link you provided does not work

I used

www-03.ibm.com/ibmlink/servicelink

Carmen


On 12/10/2021 8:33 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:

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Re: ServiceLink down?

[Richards, Robert B. (CTR)]

Thanks Carmen! I'll look elsewhere.

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Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 9:41 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: ServiceLink down?

Hi Bob, I just checked from my work laptop,  so far I'm good, I am in !


Carmen

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Hi Bob, I just checked from my work laptop,  so far I'm good, I am in !


Carmen

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Re: HSM went into a hang state

[Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw]

I have seen situations where HSM hangs due to a hardware fault on a tape 
device. If the resultant WTO or WTOR is not replied to, and/or is accidentally 
removed the device can be left hanging for weeks.

Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw
https://rsclweb.com 
‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Allan Staller
Sent: 10 December 2021 13:49
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: HSM went into a hang state

Classification: Confidential

The most common reason I have seen for this is HSM managing a volume that 
contains the HSM CDS's.
I strongly suggest isolation of the HSM CDS's to a non-hsm managed volume(s).

The most likely reason for the hang is a grs deadlock between HSM (managing  
the volume) and HSM (accessing the CDS's.
Perhaps if the condition in excess of (e.g. 15 min). alert the operator.

HTH,
.
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
John Blythe Reid
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 2:48 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: HSM went into a hang state

[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the 
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I don't know if anyone else has come across this but HSM went into a hang state 
in production for several hours. There was no indication of this and it only 
came to light because jobs began to fail due to datasets not being recalled. 
This has been reported to IBM and no doubt a fix will ensue.

However the customer has asked me if an alert could be generated if this 
happens again. Does anyone have any ideas how this hang state could be detected 
so that an alert could be generated ?

Regards,
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Re: Replacement for TM instruction

[Seymour J Metz]

For a test of a single bit you can do a logical and on a copy of the byte or 
use NRK. For testing multiple bits you can execute a TM.


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Ituriel do Neto [03427ec2837d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
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Subject: Replacement for TM instruction

Hi all,
I would like advice because i have a situation where i need to check a bit of a 
storage area, usinganother storage area as a pattern and not an immediate.

I have something like this :
A   DCX'1C'B   DCX'08'
 TMA,x'08' JOX
But instead of using x'08', i need to use the variable B in the comparison, 
because the content of B may change.So, i would need something like this:
 TM  A,B
How can i do that ?
Thanks in advance.
Best Regards

Ituriel do Nascimento Neto z/OS System Programmer



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Re: HSM went into a hang state

[Allan Staller]

Classification: Confidential

The most common reason I have seen for this is HSM managing a volume that 
contains the HSM CDS's.
I strongly suggest isolation of the HSM CDS's to a non-hsm managed volume(s).

The most likely reason for the hang is a grs deadlock between HSM (managing  
the volume) and HSM (accessing the CDS's.
Perhaps if the condition in excess of (e.g. 15 min). alert the operator.

HTH,
.
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I don't know if anyone else has come across this but HSM went into a hang state 
in production for several hours. There was no indication of this and it only 
came to light because jobs began to fail due to datasets not being recalled. 
This has been reported to IBM and no doubt a fix will ensue.

However the customer has asked me if an alert could be generated if this 
happens again. Does anyone have any ideas how this hang state could be detected 
so that an alert could be generated ?

Regards,
John.

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Re: HSM went into a hang state

[Raphaël Jacquot]

Le 10/12/2021 à 09:48, John Blythe Reid a écrit :

I don't know if anyone else has come across this but HSM went into a hang state 
in production for several hours. There was no indication of this and it only 
came to light because jobs began to fail due to datasets not being recalled. 
This has been reported to IBM and no doubt a fix will ensue.

However the customer has asked me if an alert could be generated if this 
happens again. Does anyone have any ideas how this hang state could be detected 
so that an alert could be generated ?


can you declare a timeout for things interacting with the HSM ?

Regards
Raph



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Re: HSM went into a hang state

[Mike Schwab]

Check the logs / SMF records every so often.  If no recalls in
15/30/60 minutes a message on console?

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 8:49 AM John Blythe Reid
 wrote:
>
> I don't know if anyone else has come across this but HSM went into a hang 
> state in production for several hours. There was no indication of this and it 
> only came to light because jobs began to fail due to datasets not being 
> recalled. This has been reported to IBM and no doubt a fix will ensue.
>
> However the customer has asked me if an alert could be generated if this 
> happens again. Does anyone have any ideas how this hang state could be 
> detected so that an alert could be generated ?
>
> Regards,
> John.
>
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HSM went into a hang state

[John Blythe Reid]

I don't know if anyone else has come across this but HSM went into a hang state 
in production for several hours. There was no indication of this and it only 
came to light because jobs began to fail due to datasets not being recalled. 
This has been reported to IBM and no doubt a fix will ensue. 

However the customer has asked me if an alert could be generated if this 
happens again. Does anyone have any ideas how this hang state could be detected 
so that an alert could be generated ?

Regards,
John.

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