Re: Markup languages
I am definitely planning to write macros ... eventually. Clients pay me to work in z/OS security, but I'm a coder at heart (so most of my security work is writing tools to automate my work and others'). But just now I'm busy with the basics: page margins, section formatting, that kind of thing; it'll be a while before I can expand. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* -from Abbott & Costello's famous "Who's on First?" routine Costello: All I'm trying to find out is the fellow's name on first base. Abbott: "Who". Costello: Who gets the money? Abbott: He does, every dollar of it. Sometimes his wife comes down and collects it. Costello: Whose wife? Abbott: Yes. */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 10:09 If you're writing macros I suggest that you look into LaTeX3 (expl3 et al). Some relevant documentatin is expl3.pdf interface3.pdf l3styleguide.pdf l3syntax-changes.pd l3keys2e.pdf l3str\l3str-format.pdf xcoffins.pdf xgalley.pdf xparse.pdf xtemplate.pdf -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ICKDSF
Thanks Seymour for the assurance. A Happy & healthy 2023 to you and ALL the contributors to this board. On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 04:10:33 p.m. EST, Seymour J Metz wrote: A corrupted VTOCIX shouldn't affect VSAM unless you need an extent for a new CA. A corrupted VVDS? You're toast. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of esmie moo [012780d99c7b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 3:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ICKDSF Matthew, Should the volume have VSAM dsns would the dsns get corrupted? On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 02:35:13 p.m. EST, Matthew Stitt wrote: 03 //* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 04 //* IF A VOLUME'S FREE SPACE SOMEHOW GETS OUT OF WHACK THIS * 05 //* WILL FIX IT, I THINK. WE DEACTIVATE AND ACTIVATE THE * 06 //* VOLUME'S VTOC INDEX * 07 //* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 08 //STEP1 EXEC PGM=ICKDSF,PARM='NOREPLYU' 09 //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* 10 //DDCARD DD DISP=OLD,UNIT=(SYSDA,,DEFER),VOL=SER=ADA004 11 //SYSIN DD * 12 BUILDIX DDNAME(DDCARD) OSVTOC NOPURGE 13 //STEP2 EXEC PGM=ICKDSF,PARM='NOREPLYU' 14 //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* 15 //IXVTOC DD DISP=OLD,UNIT=(SYSDA,,DEFER),VOL=SER=ADA004, 16 // DSN=SYS1.VTOCIX.ADA004 17 //SYSIN DD * 18 BUILDIX DDNAME(IXVTOC) IXVTOC Matthew On Thu, 22 Dec 2022 13:26:06 -0600, Steve Beaver wrote: >I worked in a stop the got sever LSPACE errors. > > > >Can anyone tell me the command to Convert a indexed vtoc to a CVOL and back >to a INDEXED > > > > > >Regards, > > > >Steve -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM-MAIN Digest - 25 Dec 2022 to 26 Dec 2022 (#2022-355)
On Tue, 27 Dec 2022 11:04:55 -0800, Bill wrote: ... o Please don't reply with "Subject: ... Digest ..." o Please don't quote the entire digest in your reply. Aren't there tools for replying to individual digest entries? (But the Digest should have a "No-Reply" header.) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM-MAIN Digest - 25 Dec 2022 to 26 Dec 2022 (#2022-355)
There is a PTF for IBM Markup R100, 5669-326, volid 3102, PTF # IP00082, flagged as Corrective Service, on 3.5 and 5.25 diskettes. Message originated on my iPhone 12 > On Dec 27, 2022, at 11:10 AM, Bill wrote: > > The IBM Markup User’s Guide and Tutorial publication number is S544-3350-00, > Dept. V53, P.O. Box 1900, Boulder, CO 80301-9191. > > Message originated on my iPhone 12 > >> On Dec 27, 2022, at 11:04 AM, Bill wrote: >> >> I have a pristine, complete boxed copy of IBM Markup in 3.5 and 5.25 >> diskettes. IBM Markup, Version 1.0, part no. 6476161, dated 10/1987, >> S544-3357-00, is described in the license information as “… an IBM Personal >> Computer entry-assist program that allows you to create and edit GML >> documents using DCF R3.0 or 3.1+ running in either VM/CMS or MVS/TSO.” >> Central Service terminated 10/16/1990. >> >> This program requires DOS 2.1 or 3.3 for a file transfer program to the >> mainframe. >> >> Message originated on my iPhone 12 >> On Dec 26, 2022, at 9:00 PM, IBM-MAIN automatic digest system wrote: >>> >>> There are 12 messages totaling 546 lines in this issue. >>> >>> Topics of the day: >>> >>> 1. Markup languages (2) >>> 2. Markup languages - more on the shortcomings of MS Word (10) >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Date:Mon, 26 Dec 2022 14:10:56 + >>> From:Seymour J Metz >>> Subject: Re: Markup languages >>> >>> I doubt it, since mark was primarily interested in XEDIT compatibility. >>> Similarly, I don't expect to see a chart comparint e.g., ooRexx, Regina, to >>> KEXX. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 >>> >>> >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of >>> Jeremy Nicoll [jn.ls.mfrm...@letterboxes.org] >>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2022 3:07 PM >>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>> Subject: Re: Markup languages >>> > On Fri, 23 Dec 2022, at 12:51, Seymour J Metz wrote: emacs THE vi ... >>> >>> I've never used either emacs or vi and don't much want to have to >>> learn another text editor's command set. >>> >>> Regarding THE, is there a list anywhere of what the differences between >>> it and Kedit are? Wading through the THE documentation looking at >>> each command is tedious, and it's not helped by finding out that some >>> things are labelled "(not implemented)". >>> >>> You may have my copy of TSPF when they pry it out of my cold, dead fingers. >>> >>> I suspect that actually getting it from your estate might be tricky >>> >>> -- >>> Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. >>> >>> -- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>> >>> -- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Date:Mon, 26 Dec 2022 14:44:30 + >>> From:Seymour J Metz >>> Subject: Re: Markup languages >>> >>> TeX is the underlying language. I believe that most people use a document >>> development environment with an editor and preview facility. Some of the >>> available environments can automatically download required packages from >>> CTAN. It is possible to generate a PDF without an intermediate DVI file. >>> >>> I'd start by looking at MiKTeX, TeX Live and TeXworks, or browse CTAN. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 >>> >>> >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of >>> Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 6:38 PM >>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>> Subject: Re: Markup languages >>> >>> I got quite a few nominations from the two forums where I posted this >>> question, and it's early days to say I've settled on one, but currently I'm >>> looking hard at LaTeX. I found a tutorial on it at javatpoint.com, but that >>> was written by a non-native-English writer (maybe he a Slav?, guessing by >>> his odd use of definite articles) and there are some phrases in there I >>> can't parse with confidence. I imagine whatever documentation comes with >>> the download will be clearer. >>> >>> But it seems there are multiple pieces I need to fetch. I get the >>> impression that TEX is the actual markup language, and LaTeX is ... what? A >>> series of extensions to TEX to allow it to do more? And I need a program >>> that will convert my text and markup codes to a printer-ready document, >>> and/or to a PDF file. And most people use a text editor specifically >>
Re: IBM-MAIN Digest - 25 Dec 2022 to 26 Dec 2022 (#2022-355)
The IBM Markup User’s Guide and Tutorial publication number is S544-3350-00, Dept. V53, P.O. Box 1900, Boulder, CO 80301-9191. Message originated on my iPhone 12 > On Dec 27, 2022, at 11:04 AM, Bill wrote: > > I have a pristine, complete boxed copy of IBM Markup in 3.5 and 5.25 > diskettes. IBM Markup, Version 1.0, part no. 6476161, dated 10/1987, > S544-3357-00, is described in the license information as “… an IBM Personal > Computer entry-assist program that allows you to create and edit GML > documents using DCF R3.0 or 3.1+ running in either VM/CMS or MVS/TSO.” > Central Service terminated 10/16/1990. > > This program requires DOS 2.1 or 3.3 for a file transfer program to the > mainframe. > > Message originated on my iPhone 12 > >> On Dec 26, 2022, at 9:00 PM, IBM-MAIN automatic digest system >> wrote: >> >> There are 12 messages totaling 546 lines in this issue. >> >> Topics of the day: >> >> 1. Markup languages (2) >> 2. Markup languages - more on the shortcomings of MS Word (10) >> >> -- >> >> Date:Mon, 26 Dec 2022 14:10:56 + >> From:Seymour J Metz >> Subject: Re: Markup languages >> >> I doubt it, since mark was primarily interested in XEDIT compatibility. >> Similarly, I don't expect to see a chart comparint e.g., ooRexx, Regina, to >> KEXX. >> >> >> -- >> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 >> >> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of >> Jeremy Nicoll [jn.ls.mfrm...@letterboxes.org] >> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2022 3:07 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: Markup languages >> On Fri, 23 Dec 2022, at 12:51, Seymour J Metz wrote: >>> emacs >>> THE >>> vi >>> ... >> >> I've never used either emacs or vi and don't much want to have to >> learn another text editor's command set. >> >> Regarding THE, is there a list anywhere of what the differences between >> it and Kedit are? Wading through the THE documentation looking at >> each command is tedious, and it's not helped by finding out that some >> things are labelled "(not implemented)". >> >> >>> You may have my copy of TSPF when they pry it out of my cold, dead >>> fingers. >> >> I suspect that actually getting it from your estate might be tricky >> >> -- >> Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> -- >> >> Date:Mon, 26 Dec 2022 14:44:30 + >> From:Seymour J Metz >> Subject: Re: Markup languages >> >> TeX is the underlying language. I believe that most people use a document >> development environment with an editor and preview facility. Some of the >> available environments can automatically download required packages from >> CTAN. It is possible to generate a PDF without an intermediate DVI file. >> >> I'd start by looking at MiKTeX, TeX Live and TeXworks, or browse CTAN. >> >> >> -- >> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 >> >> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of >> Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 6:38 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: Markup languages >> >> I got quite a few nominations from the two forums where I posted this >> question, and it's early days to say I've settled on one, but currently I'm >> looking hard at LaTeX. I found a tutorial on it at javatpoint.com, but that >> was written by a non-native-English writer (maybe he a Slav?, guessing by >> his odd use of definite articles) and there are some phrases in there I >> can't parse with confidence. I imagine whatever documentation comes with >> the download will be clearer. >> >> But it seems there are multiple pieces I need to fetch. I get the >> impression that TEX is the actual markup language, and LaTeX is ... what? A >> series of extensions to TEX to allow it to do more? And I need a program >> that will convert my text and markup codes to a printer-ready document, >> and/or to a PDF file. And most people use a text editor specifically >> dedicated to working with LaTeX; various options for that last are >> mentioned. Do you have any specific recommendations? Because I think I'm >> about ready to download and experiment. >> >> --- >> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 >> >> /* A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he >> resents.
Re: IBM-MAIN Digest - 25 Dec 2022 to 26 Dec 2022 (#2022-355)
I have a pristine, complete boxed copy of IBM Markup in 3.5 and 5.25 diskettes. IBM Markup, Version 1.0, part no. 6476161, dated 10/1987, S544-3357-00, is described in the license information as “… an IBM Personal Computer entry-assist program that allows you to create and edit GML documents using DCF R3.0 or 3.1+ running in either VM/CMS or MVS/TSO.” Central Service terminated 10/16/1990. This program requires DOS 2.1 or 3.3 for a file transfer program to the mainframe. Message originated on my iPhone 12 > On Dec 26, 2022, at 9:00 PM, IBM-MAIN automatic digest system > wrote: > > There are 12 messages totaling 546 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the day: > > 1. Markup languages (2) > 2. Markup languages - more on the shortcomings of MS Word (10) > > -- > > Date:Mon, 26 Dec 2022 14:10:56 + > From:Seymour J Metz > Subject: Re: Markup languages > > I doubt it, since mark was primarily interested in XEDIT compatibility. > Similarly, I don't expect to see a chart comparint e.g., ooRexx, Regina, to > KEXX. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of > Jeremy Nicoll [jn.ls.mfrm...@letterboxes.org] > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2022 3:07 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Markup languages > >> On Fri, 23 Dec 2022, at 12:51, Seymour J Metz wrote: >> emacs >> THE >> vi >> ... > > I've never used either emacs or vi and don't much want to have to > learn another text editor's command set. > > Regarding THE, is there a list anywhere of what the differences between > it and Kedit are? Wading through the THE documentation looking at > each command is tedious, and it's not helped by finding out that some > things are labelled "(not implemented)". > > >> You may have my copy of TSPF when they pry it out of my cold, dead >> fingers. > > I suspect that actually getting it from your estate might be tricky > > -- > Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > > Date:Mon, 26 Dec 2022 14:44:30 + > From:Seymour J Metz > Subject: Re: Markup languages > > TeX is the underlying language. I believe that most people use a document > development environment with an editor and preview facility. Some of the > available environments can automatically download required packages from > CTAN. It is possible to generate a PDF without an intermediate DVI file. > > I'd start by looking at MiKTeX, TeX Live and TeXworks, or browse CTAN. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of > Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 6:38 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Markup languages > > I got quite a few nominations from the two forums where I posted this > question, and it's early days to say I've settled on one, but currently I'm > looking hard at LaTeX. I found a tutorial on it at javatpoint.com, but that > was written by a non-native-English writer (maybe he a Slav?, guessing by > his odd use of definite articles) and there are some phrases in there I > can't parse with confidence. I imagine whatever documentation comes with > the download will be clearer. > > But it seems there are multiple pieces I need to fetch. I get the > impression that TEX is the actual markup language, and LaTeX is ... what? A > series of extensions to TEX to allow it to do more? And I need a program > that will convert my text and markup codes to a printer-ready document, > and/or to a PDF file. And most people use a text editor specifically > dedicated to working with LaTeX; various options for that last are > mentioned. Do you have any specific recommendations? Because I think I'm > about ready to download and experiment. > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > /* A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he > resents. -G C Lichtenberg */ > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > Seymour J Metz > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 08:39 > > My preference, alas, is dead: BookMagager BUILD/MVS (or VM), which is built > on BookMaster and DCF. Lacking that, I make do with LaTeX, which I find > powerful but clumsier tha
Re: Markup languages
No, it's because it was so much less powerful than DCF and had a clunky screen layout. That was before the ordeal of m$ office, which caused me to appreciate WP more. However, autodefect does certainly introduce some startling sea changes. How about on-the-fly spell checking with an audible alarm for suggested alternatives? ISAGN. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Pommier, Rex [rpomm...@sfgmembers.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 9:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Markup languages Shmuel, Peter is asking why you called WordPerfect "word pervert". I'm guessing it was an autocorrect thing... Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Friday, December 23, 2022 6:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Markup languages ? Actually, it's m$ word that I criticize. Not that WP didn't have serious issues, but IMHO it is clearly the better of the two products. But I had access to BookMaster when I was using WP. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__http%3A%2F%2Fmason.gmu.edu%2F*smetz3__%3Bfg!!KjMRP1Ixj6eLE0Fj!r-vY46NSt0XUC7U8wEZ8_d8upKflX7NaldVlpJjbuhGS_WCIPS6iNXJB7TFA5B8tjNWYqQz0WQu54-_mTQ%24&data=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7Ca66f3742a5f2465e4c2008dae8185923%7C9e857255df574c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C638077488512643678%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=PR6IeuI%2FvTqyoFtBcRRyjAb1dPqVJvXk5jp3F17HP6w%3D&reserved=0 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Farley, Peter [031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 7:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Markup languages Shmuel, Why did you slander Worperfect like that? What did it ever do to you? Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 8:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Markup languages My preference, alas, is dead: BookMagager BUILD/MVS (or VM), which is built on BookMaster and DCF. Lacking that, I make do with LaTeX, which I find powerful but clumsier that the tools built on Script. I make extensive use of nested bulleted and numbered lists, and when I attempt to copy an entry to a different list, word garbles the markup horribly. Is there an equivalent to the reveal mode in word pervert that would allow me to correct that bug? The best that I've been able to come up with is to copy the entry to notepad and then copy from notepad. I would recommend a LaTeX environment, e.g., MiKTeX, TeXworks. Check out resources at CTAN. -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua
Re: Markup languages
If you're writing macros I suggest that you look into LaTeX3 (expl3 et al). Some relevant documentatin is expl3.pdf interface3.pdf l3styleguide.pdf l3syntax-changes.pd l3keys2e.pdf l3str\l3str-format.pdf xcoffins.pdf xgalley.pdf xparse.pdf xtemplate.pdf There are lots of LaTeX tools available for Linux. Check texlive* in your repository for starters. Old? I was using Script before EasyScript and GML. Lot's of macros, and my change bars included dates. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Colin Paice [colinpai...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Markup languages It may be horses for courses... 1. What needs to be supported Windows/Mac/Linux? 2. Do you want a few page document or a 200 page document and imbed other sections 3. Do you want to be able to print chapters, or just the whole book. 4. Do you table of contents 5. Do you want change bars to show you what has changed 6. What is your output - PDF, one HTML document - an HTML tree? 7. Number of concurrent maintainers so 1) & 2) are relevant I run on Linux, which limits my choice of tools. I've used Latex to write a 200 page document. If you think of Scriptvs, and book master, you'll get the idea. You can write macros to provide complex formatting. It allows you to have change bars to show you what's changed. You have to add them manually. I use reText as editor, and real time review You can tell how old I am when my brain thinks of ":p:h1 " when marking up a document Colin On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 at 14:45, Seymour J Metz wrote: > TeX is the underlying language. I believe that most people use a document > development environment with an editor and preview facility. Some of the > available environments can automatically download required packages from > CTAN. It is possible to generate a PDF without an intermediate DVI file. > > I'd start by looking at MiKTeX, TeX Live and TeXworks, or browse CTAN. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 6:38 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Markup languages > > I got quite a few nominations from the two forums where I posted this > question, and it's early days to say I've settled on one, but currently I'm > looking hard at LaTeX. I found a tutorial on it at javatpoint.com, but > that > was written by a non-native-English writer (maybe he a Slav?, guessing by > his odd use of definite articles) and there are some phrases in there I > can't parse with confidence. I imagine whatever documentation comes with > the download will be clearer. > > But it seems there are multiple pieces I need to fetch. I get the > impression that TEX is the actual markup language, and LaTeX is ... what? > A > series of extensions to TEX to allow it to do more? And I need a program > that will convert my text and markup codes to a printer-ready document, > and/or to a PDF file. And most people use a text editor specifically > dedicated to working with LaTeX; various options for that last are > mentioned. Do you have any specific recommendations? Because I think I'm > about ready to download and experiment. > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > /* A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he > resents. -G C Lichtenberg */ > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of > Seymour J Metz > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 08:39 > > My preference, alas, is dead: BookMagager BUILD/MVS (or VM), which is built > on BookMaster and DCF. Lacking that, I make do with LaTeX, which I find > powerful but clumsier that the tools built on Script. > > I make extensive use of nested bulleted and numbered lists, and when I > attempt to copy an entry to a different list, word garbles the markup > horribly. Is there an equivalent to the reveal mode in word pervert that > would allow me to correct that bug? The best that I've been able to come up > with is to copy the entry to notepad and then copy from notepad. > > I would recommend a LaTeX environment, e.g., MiKTeX, TeXworks. Check out > resources at CTAN. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -
Re: Markup languages
Shmuel, Peter is asking why you called WordPerfect "word pervert". I'm guessing it was an autocorrect thing... Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Friday, December 23, 2022 6:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Markup languages ? Actually, it's m$ word that I criticize. Not that WP didn't have serious issues, but IMHO it is clearly the better of the two products. But I had access to BookMaster when I was using WP. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!KjMRP1Ixj6eLE0Fj!r-vY46NSt0XUC7U8wEZ8_d8upKflX7NaldVlpJjbuhGS_WCIPS6iNXJB7TFA5B8tjNWYqQz0WQu54-_mTQ$ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Farley, Peter [031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 7:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Markup languages Shmuel, Why did you slander Worperfect like that? What did it ever do to you? Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 8:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Markup languages My preference, alas, is dead: BookMagager BUILD/MVS (or VM), which is built on BookMaster and DCF. Lacking that, I make do with LaTeX, which I find powerful but clumsier that the tools built on Script. I make extensive use of nested bulleted and numbered lists, and when I attempt to copy an entry to a different list, word garbles the markup horribly. Is there an equivalent to the reveal mode in word pervert that would allow me to correct that bug? The best that I've been able to come up with is to copy the entry to notepad and then copy from notepad. I would recommend a LaTeX environment, e.g., MiKTeX, TeXworks. Check out resources at CTAN. -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Markup languages
If you're using windoze you might want to look at MiKTeX, which can
automatically download packages as you need them.
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On Tue, 27 Dec 2022, 08:23 Colin Paice, wrote:
...
>
> You can tell how old I am when my brain thinks of ":p:h1 " when
> marking up a document
>
> Colin
>
Yes, those GML tags still come to mind. In my head I also ".kp on" and ".kp
off" around sections I want to keep together on one page, and I think of
the simple .fnot macro I wrote so I could dump footnotes about a new term
without distracting myself.
This has been a productive thread for me :-)
I've been playing with LaTeX (have we aegued about how to pronounce that,
yet? ;-) ) and used \documentclass[12pt, a4paper]{article} and {book} to
play a bit.
So far, {article} doesn't do a TOC and {book} lays it out like, well, a
book.
I've got hyperlinks in blue, matrices and other maths stuff, paragraphs
with no indent and monospaced code examples using \verbatim.
Installed 'texlive' on Linux Mint and TeXworks on Windows and it all seems
to work pretty well :-)
So thanks for a good thread.
Roops
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Yes, I suspect that once I know a good deal more about LaTeX I'll be creating a
new class in a file named docrhb.cls. But I'm nowhere near that yet. For now
I'm still experimenting with {report} just so I can see what the various
commands do.
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I've been playing with LaTeX...and used \documentclass[12pt, a4paper]{article}
and {book} to play a bit.
So far, {article} doesn't do a TOC and {book} lays it out like, well, a book.
I've got hyperlinks in blue, matrices and other maths stuff, paragraphs with no
indent and monospaced code examples using \verbatim.
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Re: Markup languages
In fact I think TeXworks on Win came with texlive (install-tl-windows.exe). On Tue, 27 Dec 2022, 11:59 Rupert Reynolds, wrote: > > Installed 'texlive' on Linux Mint and TeXworks on Windows and it all seems > to work pretty well :-) > > So thanks for a good thread. > > Roops > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Markup languages
On Tue, 27 Dec 2022, 08:23 Colin Paice, wrote:
...
>
> You can tell how old I am when my brain thinks of ":p:h1 " when
> marking up a document
>
> Colin
>
Yes, those GML tags still come to mind. In my head I also ".kp on" and ".kp
off" around sections I want to keep together on one page, and I think of
the simple .fnot macro I wrote so I could dump footnotes about a new term
without distracting myself.
This has been a productive thread for me :-)
I've been playing with LaTeX (have we aegued about how to pronounce that,
yet? ;-) ) and used \documentclass[12pt, a4paper]{article} and {book} to
play a bit.
So far, {article} doesn't do a TOC and {book} lays it out like, well, a
book.
I've got hyperlinks in blue, matrices and other maths stuff, paragraphs
with no indent and monospaced code examples using \verbatim.
Installed 'texlive' on Linux Mint and TeXworks on Windows and it all seems
to work pretty well :-)
So thanks for a good thread.
Roops
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Re: Markup languages
I used an early version of Word for Windows for writing a 1,000-page document. No mark-up language required. It also produced automatically the index. When I wanted to put more entries in the index, it was a minute's work. Then press F8 and the entire index was regenerated as a Word document in about two minutes. On 2022-12-27 19:23, Colin Paice wrote: It may be horses for courses... 1. What needs to be supported Windows/Mac/Linux? 2. Do you want a few page document or a 200 page document and imbed other sections 3. Do you want to be able to print chapters, or just the whole book. 4. Do you table of contents 5. Do you want change bars to show you what has changed 6. What is your output - PDF, one HTML document - an HTML tree? 7. Number of concurrent maintainers so 1) & 2) are relevant I run on Linux, which limits my choice of tools. I've used Latex to write a 200 page document. If you think of Scriptvs, and book master, you'll get the idea. You can write macros to provide complex formatting. It allows you to have change bars to show you what's changed. You have to add them manually. I use reText as editor, and real time review You can tell how old I am when my brain thinks of ":p:h1 " when marking up a document Colin -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Correction ReText for markdown ## heading etc. Does WYSIWYG Gummi for Latex On Tue, 27 Dec 2022 at 08:23, Colin Paice wrote: > It may be horses for courses... > >1. What needs to be supported Windows/Mac/Linux? >2. Do you want a few page document or a 200 page document and imbed >other sections >3. Do you want to be able to print chapters, or just the whole book. >4. Do you table of contents >5. Do you want change bars to show you what has changed >6. What is your output - PDF, one HTML document - an HTML tree? >7. Number of concurrent maintainers so 1) & 2) are relevant > > > I run on Linux, which limits my choice of tools. > > I've used Latex to write a 200 page document. If you think of Scriptvs, > and book master, you'll get the idea. You can write macros to provide > complex formatting. > It allows you to have change bars to show you what's changed. You have to > add them manually. > I use reText as editor, and real time review > > You can tell how old I am when my brain thinks of ":p:h1 " when > marking up a document > > Colin > > > > On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 at 14:45, Seymour J Metz wrote: > >> TeX is the underlying language. I believe that most people use a document >> development environment with an editor and preview facility. Some of the >> available environments can automatically download required packages from >> CTAN. It is possible to generate a PDF without an intermediate DVI file. >> >> I'd start by looking at MiKTeX, TeX Live and TeXworks, or browse CTAN. >> >> >> -- >> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 >> >> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf >> of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 6:38 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: Markup languages >> >> I got quite a few nominations from the two forums where I posted this >> question, and it's early days to say I've settled on one, but currently >> I'm >> looking hard at LaTeX. I found a tutorial on it at javatpoint.com, but >> that >> was written by a non-native-English writer (maybe he a Slav?, guessing by >> his odd use of definite articles) and there are some phrases in there I >> can't parse with confidence. I imagine whatever documentation comes with >> the download will be clearer. >> >> But it seems there are multiple pieces I need to fetch. I get the >> impression that TEX is the actual markup language, and LaTeX is ... >> what? A >> series of extensions to TEX to allow it to do more? And I need a program >> that will convert my text and markup codes to a printer-ready document, >> and/or to a PDF file. And most people use a text editor specifically >> dedicated to working with LaTeX; various options for that last are >> mentioned. Do you have any specific recommendations? Because I think I'm >> about ready to download and experiment. >> >> --- >> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 >> >> /* A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he >> resents. -G C Lichtenberg */ >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf >> Of >> Seymour J Metz >> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 08:39 >> >> My preference, alas, is dead: BookMagager BUILD/MVS (or VM), which is >> built >> on BookMaster and DCF. Lacking that, I make do with LaTeX, which I find >> powerful but clumsier that the tools built on Script. >> >> I make extensive use of nested bulleted and numbered lists, and when I >> attempt to copy an entry to a different list, word garbles the markup >> horribly. Is there an equivalent to the reveal mode in word pervert that >> would allow me to correct that bug? The best that I've been able to come >> up >> with is to copy the entry to notepad and then copy from notepad. >> >> I would recommend a LaTeX environment, e.g., MiKTeX, TeXworks. Check out >> resources at CTAN. >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Markup languages
It may be horses for courses... 1. What needs to be supported Windows/Mac/Linux? 2. Do you want a few page document or a 200 page document and imbed other sections 3. Do you want to be able to print chapters, or just the whole book. 4. Do you table of contents 5. Do you want change bars to show you what has changed 6. What is your output - PDF, one HTML document - an HTML tree? 7. Number of concurrent maintainers so 1) & 2) are relevant I run on Linux, which limits my choice of tools. I've used Latex to write a 200 page document. If you think of Scriptvs, and book master, you'll get the idea. You can write macros to provide complex formatting. It allows you to have change bars to show you what's changed. You have to add them manually. I use reText as editor, and real time review You can tell how old I am when my brain thinks of ":p:h1 " when marking up a document Colin On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 at 14:45, Seymour J Metz wrote: > TeX is the underlying language. I believe that most people use a document > development environment with an editor and preview facility. Some of the > available environments can automatically download required packages from > CTAN. It is possible to generate a PDF without an intermediate DVI file. > > I'd start by looking at MiKTeX, TeX Live and TeXworks, or browse CTAN. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 6:38 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Markup languages > > I got quite a few nominations from the two forums where I posted this > question, and it's early days to say I've settled on one, but currently I'm > looking hard at LaTeX. I found a tutorial on it at javatpoint.com, but > that > was written by a non-native-English writer (maybe he a Slav?, guessing by > his odd use of definite articles) and there are some phrases in there I > can't parse with confidence. I imagine whatever documentation comes with > the download will be clearer. > > But it seems there are multiple pieces I need to fetch. I get the > impression that TEX is the actual markup language, and LaTeX is ... what? > A > series of extensions to TEX to allow it to do more? And I need a program > that will convert my text and markup codes to a printer-ready document, > and/or to a PDF file. And most people use a text editor specifically > dedicated to working with LaTeX; various options for that last are > mentioned. Do you have any specific recommendations? Because I think I'm > about ready to download and experiment. > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > /* A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he > resents. -G C Lichtenberg */ > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of > Seymour J Metz > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 08:39 > > My preference, alas, is dead: BookMagager BUILD/MVS (or VM), which is built > on BookMaster and DCF. Lacking that, I make do with LaTeX, which I find > powerful but clumsier that the tools built on Script. > > I make extensive use of nested bulleted and numbered lists, and when I > attempt to copy an entry to a different list, word garbles the markup > horribly. Is there an equivalent to the reveal mode in word pervert that > would allow me to correct that bug? The best that I've been able to come up > with is to copy the entry to notepad and then copy from notepad. > > I would recommend a LaTeX environment, e.g., MiKTeX, TeXworks. Check out > resources at CTAN. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
