Re: A Total Eclipse of the Spool
"z/OS Explorer is an IBM product. The Macro 4 product is z/Explorer and does not rely on FTP or SDSF for its data set or JES spool features." Thanks Keith -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rob Schramm Sent: 17 April 2015 06:34 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: A Total Eclipse of the Spool AFAIK z/OS explorer uses ftp to interface with JES for retrieving output. Rob Schramm On Apr 13, 2015 6:56 AM, "Steve Austin" wrote: > Hello Ed, > Do you use any Macro 4 products (Tubes, DumpMaster, TraceMaster, > InSync, to name a few)? > If you do then our z/Explorer Eclipse offering is free to use. It > provides access to z/OS datasets and Unix files, allows jobs to be > submitted and the JES spool to be viewed without SDSF as a pre-req, > and it even has a 3270 emulator. Please contact your local Macro 4 or > UNICOM rep who will be only too happy to assist. If you don't use any > of our products then I am sure they can help you if you cannot find an > alternative resolution. > Regards > Keith Banham > R&D Manager > Macro 4 Ltd > > > Thanks > Keith Banham > Manager and Lead Engineer > Research and Development > Macro 4 Limited > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Ed Long > Sent: 12 April 2015 03:47 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: A Total Eclipse of the Spool > > I have been tasked with deploying Data Studio, the DB2 no charge > offering in the IBM Eclipse product set. z/OS, CICS and IMS explorers > round out the no charge offerings. > The target audience is not the long time, old time, 3270 types, but > the short time, new time Java, C# types who need to access z/OS data > or resources sometimes. They are not going to go through a 12 week > master the mainframe course since 90% of their work is off host. > I can get Data Studio working, even sort of compatibly with z/OS > explorer. At least both of these 2 will be deployed together. > I can get z/OS explorer to submit jcl, a requirement for some database > activities envisioned. Its builtin sysout retrieval function requires > SDSF and fairly heavy RACF configuration work. > However, we don't have SDSF; we have IOF. None of the necessary > JES/RACF stuff has been set up, even if IOF supports the function, to > get z/OS explorer to download the sysout. While SDSF and doing the > configuration stuff is the obvious answer, getting there would take an > unplanned major effort. > My question: What other options do I have to be able to retrieve > listings from within Eclipse? > For specific use cases, we could write reports to datasets and then > use the z/OS explorer to browse the dataset. This approach would mean > the listing would be unavailable but any reports would be. > We can assume that their jcl will be comparatively simple (Less than > 10 steps and much of it generated and heavily reliant on procedures). > I've been considering FTP which has a JES interface. > For phase 1 of this activity we assume there might be 100 target > developers. > Comments and suggestions most appreciated. > > Edward Long > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This > e-mail message has been scanned and cleared by Postini / Google > Message Security and the UNICOM Global security systems. This message > is for the named person's use only. If you receive this message in > error, please delete it and notify the sender. > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This e-mail message has been scanned and cleared by Postini / Google Message Security and the UNICOM Global security systems. This message is for the named person's use only. If you receive this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: A Total Eclipse of the Spool
Hi Ed, If you will be using the FTP JES interface, I suggest you review our RACF Tips newsletter article on this topic. http://www.rshconsulting.com/racftips/RSH_Consulting__RACF_Tips__April_2010.pdf Regards, Bob -Original Message- Date:Fri, 17 Apr 2015 01:34:16 -0400 From:Rob Schramm Subject: Re: A Total Eclipse of the Spool AFAIK z/OS explorer uses ftp to interface with JES for retrieving output. Rob Schramm On Apr 13, 2015 6:56 AM, "Steve Austin" wrote: > Hello Ed, > Do you use any Macro 4 products (Tubes, DumpMaster, TraceMaster, InSync, > to name a few)? > If you do then our z/Explorer Eclipse offering is free to use. It > provides access to z/OS datasets and Unix files, allows jobs to be > submitted and the JES spool to be viewed without SDSF as a pre-req, and > it even has a 3270 emulator. Please contact your local Macro 4 or UNICOM > rep who will be only too happy to assist. If you don't use any of our > products then I am sure they can help you if you cannot find an > alternative resolution. > Regards > Keith Banham > R&D Manager > Macro 4 Ltd > > > Thanks > Keith Banham > Manager and Lead Engineer > Research and Development > Macro 4 Limited > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Ed Long > Sent: 12 April 2015 03:47 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: A Total Eclipse of the Spool > > I have been tasked with deploying Data Studio, the DB2 no charge > offering in the IBM Eclipse product set. z/OS, CICS and IMS explorers > round out the no charge offerings. > The target audience is not the long time, old time, 3270 types, but the > short time, new time Java, C# types who need to access z/OS data or > resources sometimes. They are not going to go through a 12 week master > the mainframe course since 90% of their work is off host. > I can get Data Studio working, even sort of compatibly with z/OS > explorer. At least both of these 2 will be deployed together. > I can get z/OS explorer to submit jcl, a requirement for some database > activities envisioned. Its builtin sysout retrieval function requires > SDSF and fairly heavy RACF configuration work. > However, we don't have SDSF; we have IOF. None of the necessary JES/RACF > stuff has been set up, even if IOF supports the function, to get z/OS > explorer to download the sysout. While SDSF and doing the configuration > stuff is the obvious answer, getting there would take an unplanned major > effort. > My question: What other options do I have to be able to retrieve > listings from within Eclipse? > For specific use cases, we could write reports to datasets and then use > the z/OS explorer to browse the dataset. This approach would mean the > listing would be unavailable but any reports would be. > We can assume that their jcl will be comparatively simple (Less than 10 > steps and much of it generated and heavily reliant on procedures). > I've been considering FTP which has a JES interface. > For phase 1 of this activity we assume there might be 100 target > developers. > Comments and suggestions most appreciated. > > Edward Long > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > This e-mail message has been scanned and cleared by Postini / Google > Message Security and the UNICOM Global security systems. This message is > for the named person's use only. If you receive this message in error, > please delete it and notify the sender. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: A Total Eclipse of the Spool
AFAIK z/OS explorer uses ftp to interface with JES for retrieving output. Rob Schramm On Apr 13, 2015 6:56 AM, "Steve Austin" wrote: > Hello Ed, > Do you use any Macro 4 products (Tubes, DumpMaster, TraceMaster, InSync, > to name a few)? > If you do then our z/Explorer Eclipse offering is free to use. It > provides access to z/OS datasets and Unix files, allows jobs to be > submitted and the JES spool to be viewed without SDSF as a pre-req, and > it even has a 3270 emulator. Please contact your local Macro 4 or UNICOM > rep who will be only too happy to assist. If you don't use any of our > products then I am sure they can help you if you cannot find an > alternative resolution. > Regards > Keith Banham > R&D Manager > Macro 4 Ltd > > > Thanks > Keith Banham > Manager and Lead Engineer > Research and Development > Macro 4 Limited > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Ed Long > Sent: 12 April 2015 03:47 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: A Total Eclipse of the Spool > > I have been tasked with deploying Data Studio, the DB2 no charge > offering in the IBM Eclipse product set. z/OS, CICS and IMS explorers > round out the no charge offerings. > The target audience is not the long time, old time, 3270 types, but the > short time, new time Java, C# types who need to access z/OS data or > resources sometimes. They are not going to go through a 12 week master > the mainframe course since 90% of their work is off host. > I can get Data Studio working, even sort of compatibly with z/OS > explorer. At least both of these 2 will be deployed together. > I can get z/OS explorer to submit jcl, a requirement for some database > activities envisioned. Its builtin sysout retrieval function requires > SDSF and fairly heavy RACF configuration work. > However, we don't have SDSF; we have IOF. None of the necessary JES/RACF > stuff has been set up, even if IOF supports the function, to get z/OS > explorer to download the sysout. While SDSF and doing the configuration > stuff is the obvious answer, getting there would take an unplanned major > effort. > My question: What other options do I have to be able to retrieve > listings from within Eclipse? > For specific use cases, we could write reports to datasets and then use > the z/OS explorer to browse the dataset. This approach would mean the > listing would be unavailable but any reports would be. > We can assume that their jcl will be comparatively simple (Less than 10 > steps and much of it generated and heavily reliant on procedures). > I've been considering FTP which has a JES interface. > For phase 1 of this activity we assume there might be 100 target > developers. > Comments and suggestions most appreciated. > > Edward Long > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > This e-mail message has been scanned and cleared by Postini / Google > Message Security and the UNICOM Global security systems. This message is > for the named person's use only. If you receive this message in error, > please delete it and notify the sender. > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: A Total Eclipse of the Spool
Hello Ed, Do you use any Macro 4 products (Tubes, DumpMaster, TraceMaster, InSync, to name a few)? If you do then our z/Explorer Eclipse offering is free to use. It provides access to z/OS datasets and Unix files, allows jobs to be submitted and the JES spool to be viewed without SDSF as a pre-req, and it even has a 3270 emulator. Please contact your local Macro 4 or UNICOM rep who will be only too happy to assist. If you don't use any of our products then I am sure they can help you if you cannot find an alternative resolution. Regards Keith Banham R&D Manager Macro 4 Ltd Thanks Keith Banham Manager and Lead Engineer Research and Development Macro 4 Limited -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ed Long Sent: 12 April 2015 03:47 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: A Total Eclipse of the Spool I have been tasked with deploying Data Studio, the DB2 no charge offering in the IBM Eclipse product set. z/OS, CICS and IMS explorers round out the no charge offerings. The target audience is not the long time, old time, 3270 types, but the short time, new time Java, C# types who need to access z/OS data or resources sometimes. They are not going to go through a 12 week master the mainframe course since 90% of their work is off host. I can get Data Studio working, even sort of compatibly with z/OS explorer. At least both of these 2 will be deployed together. I can get z/OS explorer to submit jcl, a requirement for some database activities envisioned. Its builtin sysout retrieval function requires SDSF and fairly heavy RACF configuration work. However, we don't have SDSF; we have IOF. None of the necessary JES/RACF stuff has been set up, even if IOF supports the function, to get z/OS explorer to download the sysout. While SDSF and doing the configuration stuff is the obvious answer, getting there would take an unplanned major effort. My question: What other options do I have to be able to retrieve listings from within Eclipse? For specific use cases, we could write reports to datasets and then use the z/OS explorer to browse the dataset. This approach would mean the listing would be unavailable but any reports would be. We can assume that their jcl will be comparatively simple (Less than 10 steps and much of it generated and heavily reliant on procedures). I've been considering FTP which has a JES interface. For phase 1 of this activity we assume there might be 100 target developers. Comments and suggestions most appreciated. Edward Long -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This e-mail message has been scanned and cleared by Postini / Google Message Security and the UNICOM Global security systems. This message is for the named person's use only. If you receive this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: A Total Eclipse of the Spool
I would be looking at z/OSMF REST services. As a http based interface, it seems likely to be easier to integrate into Eclipse etc. than FTP, and also has more functions. I am not 100% sure that the jobs interface works without SDSF, but I think it is likely. Andrew Rowley Black Hill Software On 12/04/2015 12:46 PM, Ed Long wrote: I have been tasked with deploying Data Studio, the DB2 no charge offering in the IBM Eclipse product set. z/OS, CICS and IMS explorers round out the no charge offerings. The target audience is not the long time, old time, 3270 types, but the short time, new time Java, C# types who need to access z/OS data or resources sometimes. They are not going to go through a 12 week master the mainframe course since 90% of their work is off host. I can get Data Studio working, even sort of compatibly with z/OS explorer. At least both of these 2 will be deployed together. I can get z/OS explorer to submit jcl, a requirement for some database activities envisioned. Its builtin sysout retrieval function requires SDSF and fairly heavy RACF configuration work. However, we don't have SDSF; we have IOF. None of the necessary JES/RACF stuff has been set up, even if IOF supports the function, to get z/OS explorer to download the sysout. While SDSF and doing the configuration stuff is the obvious answer, getting there would take an unplanned major effort. My question: What other options do I have to be able to retrieve listings from within Eclipse? For specific use cases, we could write reports to datasets and then use the z/OS explorer to browse the dataset. This approach would mean the listing would be unavailable but any reports would be. We can assume that their jcl will be comparatively simple (Less than 10 steps and much of it generated and heavily reliant on procedures). I've been considering FTP which has a JES interface. For phase 1 of this activity we assume there might be 100 target developers. Comments and suggestions most appreciated. Edward Long -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: A Total Eclipse of the Spool
WARNING: I don't have any experience with Eclipse, z/OS explorer and the other things mentioned by Ed Long. Ed Long wrote: >I can get z/OS explorer to submit jcl, a requirement for some database >activities envisioned. Its builtin sysout retrieval function requires SDSF and >fairly heavy RACF configuration work. Do you have something which can extract jobs and output to datasets? (Control-D for example?) >My question: What other options do I have to be able to retrieve listings from >within Eclipse? What listings? Job output or something else? >We can assume that their jcl will be comparatively simple (Less than 10 steps >and much of it generated and heavily reliant on procedures). Do you have automation? It will help you a lot. >I've been considering FTP which has a JES interface. Good suggestion in the absence of something better. I hope you can get better answers from others. Good luck. Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
A Total Eclipse of the Spool
I have been tasked with deploying Data Studio, the DB2 no charge offering in the IBM Eclipse product set. z/OS, CICS and IMS explorers round out the no charge offerings. The target audience is not the long time, old time, 3270 types, but the short time, new time Java, C# types who need to access z/OS data or resources sometimes. They are not going to go through a 12 week master the mainframe course since 90% of their work is off host. I can get Data Studio working, even sort of compatibly with z/OS explorer. At least both of these 2 will be deployed together. I can get z/OS explorer to submit jcl, a requirement for some database activities envisioned. Its builtin sysout retrieval function requires SDSF and fairly heavy RACF configuration work. However, we don't have SDSF; we have IOF. None of the necessary JES/RACF stuff has been set up, even if IOF supports the function, to get z/OS explorer to download the sysout. While SDSF and doing the configuration stuff is the obvious answer, getting there would take an unplanned major effort. My question: What other options do I have to be able to retrieve listings from within Eclipse? For specific use cases, we could write reports to datasets and then use the z/OS explorer to browse the dataset. This approach would mean the listing would be unavailable but any reports would be. We can assume that their jcl will be comparatively simple (Less than 10 steps and much of it generated and heavily reliant on procedures). I've been considering FTP which has a JES interface. For phase 1 of this activity we assume there might be 100 target developers. Comments and suggestions most appreciated. Edward Long -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
