AW: Re: AW: Re: SMF RDW
If I have insulted you, please accept my apology, You have not. It takes much more to do so ;-) but like many IBM-MAIN members, I try to help for free and when I have time. So do I, and I have spent and still do spend much time working with IBM-MAIN anf other lists. And I have very often received help myself. If you don't want me to reply to you, just say so. No, do not stop replying. -- Peter Hunkeler -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: AW: Re: SMF RDW
BSAM is used by DFSORT for Extended Format Sequential access - to name but one quite large use case. (And to get back to the thread) it copes with Spanned VBS records. I'm sure other products do, too. But I think the OP's curiosity is well founded. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Peter Hunkeler p...@gmx.ch To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 16/01/2015 06:33 Subject:AW: Re: SMF RDW Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU I just want to understand ?how?. Why? I genrally say there is no stupid question, but this one is an exception. There is no use in asking why someone wants to understand how something works. The OP stated that he would like to get a deeper understanding. That should suffice to provide information if available instead tring trying to get justification on the why. No offence intended, Elardus, but you just did answer in a similar way to my query yesterday. I clearly stated that I'm curious to understand how OPEN works. I'm a curious guy. I'm asking because you can't use RDW directly with standard methods. So you don't consider BSAM a standard way of working with data? I do not say it is used very often in all days programming, but I still consider this a standard method. And you do, well actually you must deal with RDWs and even BDWs yourself. -- Peter Hunkeler -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: AW: Re: SMF RDW
Peter Hunkeler wrote: Why? I genrally say there is no stupid question, but this one is an exception. There is no use in asking why someone wants to understand how something works. The OP stated that he would like to get a deeper understanding. That should suffice to provide information if available instead tring trying to get justification on the why. Thanks for your comments. But as others also asked on various topics, just ask why or getting more background information may reveal an underlying problem. I have believed the OP is struggling with something causing him/her to ask about RDW. No offence intended, Elardus, but you just did answer in a similar way to my query yesterday. I clearly stated that I'm curious to understand how OPEN works. I'm a curious guy. No problem. As you may see in my previous posts, I also say 'wise persons ask questions'. And I am also a curious guy, just like you. If I have insulted you, please accept my apology, but like many IBM-MAIN members, I try to help for free and when I have time. If you don't want me to reply to you, just say so. I will respect it. But you are most welcome to e-mail me offlist. So you don't consider BSAM a standard way of working with data? I do not say it is used very often in all days programming, but I still consider this a standard method. And you do, well actually you must deal with RDWs and even BDWs yourself. Indeed. I agree with you. Before I answered the OP, I have looked in my books and SMF assembler source just to be sure I did not give a false reply. Anyways, Peter, thanks for your comments. Please keep it up with your good posts. Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In 9736159315424469.wa.elardus.engelbrechtsita.co...@listserv.ua.edu, on 01/16/2015 at 03:28 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za said: I have believed the OP is struggling with something causing him/her to ask about RDW. For one thing, the OP seems to believe that there is so,ething special about an RDW for SPF. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: AW: Re: SMF RDW
On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 07:33:04 +0100, Peter Hunkeler wrote: I'm asking because you can't use RDW directly with standard methods. So you don't consider BSAM a standard way of working with data? I do not say it is used very often in all days programming, but I still consider this a standard method. And you do, well actually you must deal with RDWs and even BDWs yourself. And in z/OS 2.1, Rexx supports RECFM=U, so a programmer can override RECFM of any data set and inspect bytes with Rexx. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
AW: Re: SMF RDW
I just want to understand ?how?. Why? I genrally say there is no stupid question, but this one is an exception. There is no use in asking why someone wants to understand how something works. The OP stated that he would like to get a deeper understanding. That should suffice to provide information if available instead tring trying to get justification on the why. No offence intended, Elardus, but you just did answer in a similar way to my query yesterday. I clearly stated that I'm curious to understand how OPEN works. I'm a curious guy. I'm asking because you can't use RDW directly with standard methods. So you don't consider BSAM a standard way of working with data? I do not say it is used very often in all days programming, but I still consider this a standard method. And you do, well actually you must deal with RDWs and even BDWs yourself. -- Peter Hunkeler -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
