Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CBU HMC activation - switching back
We were asked IBM to do downgrade the activation done by mistake and activate TEST CBU. During this exercise do we need a downtime or it can be done when the system load is at minimum ? On Mon, 6 Dec, 2021, 7:16 pm Pommier, Rex, wrote: > Right, but if you have a CBU you are probably doing your own DR and not > relying on a DR company like Sungard. It'll still probably get expensive, > but at least you aren't reliant on the good will of some other company > allowing you to keep using their hardware. > > Rex > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Attila Fogarasi > Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 3:13 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: CBU HMC activation - switching back > > Chernobyl took out a couple of datacenters, so 35 years DR is the current > record :) DR contract duration is a pricing decision, most can be extended > indefinitely but get very expensive (and they have a "cause majeure" clause > which allows DR site to dump you under some circumstances). Typical > contracts are for 30 and 90 days, some cultural variation by country. It > comes down to cost and a bigger factor is often the DR test terms. > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 3:27 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > Even if it takes more than 90 days after, e.g., an earthquake, a fire, > > a flood, a hurricane, the data center will eventually be back on the air. > > > > BTW, how long does the typical DR contract allow you to stay, assuming > > that you don't own it? > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!KjMRP1I > > xj6eLE0Fj!_xm2rlWIPLCeZJQ5EnCRBNOgk0YgfGrtviXlzNy1LNpNEU7aHrpc20ihFr7F > > VMNXMg$ > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on > > behalf of Roger Lowe [roger_l...@bigpond.com] > > Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 10:06 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: CBU HMC activation - switching back > > > > On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 00:46:34 +, Seymour J Metz > wrote: > > > > >Isn't a real DR usually temporary? > > > > > > > > >-- > > >Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > >https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!KjMRP1 > > >Ixj6eLE0Fj!_xm2rlWIPLCeZJQ5EnCRBNOgk0YgfGrtviXlzNy1LNpNEU7aHrpc20ihFr > > >7FVMNXMg$ > > > > > CBU Test last only for 10 days whereas a CBU for an actual DR can last > > for up to 90 days... > > > > Roger > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from > disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is > not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for > delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action > omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If > you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately > by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, > whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CBU HMC activation - switching back
Right, but if you have a CBU you are probably doing your own DR and not relying on a DR company like Sungard. It'll still probably get expensive, but at least you aren't reliant on the good will of some other company allowing you to keep using their hardware. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Attila Fogarasi Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 3:13 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: CBU HMC activation - switching back Chernobyl took out a couple of datacenters, so 35 years DR is the current record :) DR contract duration is a pricing decision, most can be extended indefinitely but get very expensive (and they have a "cause majeure" clause which allows DR site to dump you under some circumstances). Typical contracts are for 30 and 90 days, some cultural variation by country. It comes down to cost and a bigger factor is often the DR test terms. On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 3:27 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > Even if it takes more than 90 days after, e.g., an earthquake, a fire, > a flood, a hurricane, the data center will eventually be back on the air. > > BTW, how long does the typical DR contract allow you to stay, assuming > that you don't own it? > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!KjMRP1I > xj6eLE0Fj!_xm2rlWIPLCeZJQ5EnCRBNOgk0YgfGrtviXlzNy1LNpNEU7aHrpc20ihFr7F > VMNXMg$ > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on > behalf of Roger Lowe [roger_l...@bigpond.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 10:06 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: CBU HMC activation - switching back > > On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 00:46:34 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > >Isn't a real DR usually temporary? > > > > > >-- > >Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > >https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!KjMRP1 > >Ixj6eLE0Fj!_xm2rlWIPLCeZJQ5EnCRBNOgk0YgfGrtviXlzNy1LNpNEU7aHrpc20ihFr > >7FVMNXMg$ > > > CBU Test last only for 10 days whereas a CBU for an actual DR can last > for up to 90 days... > > Roger > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: CBU HMC activation - switching back
Chernobyl took out a couple of datacenters, so 35 years DR is the current record :) DR contract duration is a pricing decision, most can be extended indefinitely but get very expensive (and they have a "cause majeure" clause which allows DR site to dump you under some circumstances). Typical contracts are for 30 and 90 days, some cultural variation by country. It comes down to cost and a bigger factor is often the DR test terms. On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 3:27 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > Even if it takes more than 90 days after, e.g., an earthquake, a fire, a > flood, a hurricane, the data center will eventually be back on the air. > > BTW, how long does the typical DR contract allow you to stay, assuming > that you don't own it? > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > of Roger Lowe [roger_l...@bigpond.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 10:06 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: CBU HMC activation - switching back > > On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 00:46:34 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > >Isn't a real DR usually temporary? > > > > > >-- > >Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > >http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > CBU Test last only for 10 days whereas a CBU for an actual DR can last for > up to 90 days... > > Roger > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: CBU HMC activation - switching back
Even if it takes more than 90 days after, e.g., an earthquake, a fire, a flood, a hurricane, the data center will eventually be back on the air. BTW, how long does the typical DR contract allow you to stay, assuming that you don't own it? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Roger Lowe [roger_l...@bigpond.com] Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 10:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CBU HMC activation - switching back On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 00:46:34 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >Isn't a real DR usually temporary? > > >-- >Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > CBU Test last only for 10 days whereas a CBU for an actual DR can last for up to 90 days... Roger -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: CBU HMC activation - switching back
To answer Jake's original question, CBU can be deactivated at any time by command (either in z/OS, on HMC/SE, or by API, depending on your hardware model). That stops the licensing accrual for CBU (as well as limiting the MSU back to non-CBU value). Several ways to do it, the simplest is to vary offline the CPs that were activated by the CBU (which could be more than general purpose processors). z/OS is smart enough to then stop the CBU record (mark it inactive). Undoing any charges for the accidental CBU period is a manual process to be discussed with your IBM rep, but showing good faith by using the commands to undo the CBU, rather than continuing to run with the increased MSU capacity, is probably a factor in value discussions. Note SCRT reports for that month will also pick up on the extra MSU as they are used, which may affect non-IBM software pricing. On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 11:42 PM Jake Anderson wrote: > Hello > > Is it possible to swtich back to temporary CBU activation incase it someone > has activated the CBU permanently by mistake ? > > Jake > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: CBU HMC activation - switching back
On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 00:46:34 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >Isn't a real DR usually temporary? > > >-- >Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > CBU Test last only for 10 days whereas a CBU for an actual DR can last for up to 90 days... Roger -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: CBU HMC activation - switching back
Isn't a real DR usually temporary? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Stuart Holland [stuartz...@outlook.com] Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 5:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CBU HMC activation - switching back That happened to us once (person replied that it was a real DR instead of a test). We contacted IBM right away and they fixed the CBU settings and didn't charge us. On 12/4/2021 6:41 AM, Jake Anderson wrote: > Hello > > Is it possible to swtich back to temporary CBU activation incase it someone > has activated the CBU permanently by mistake ? > > Jake > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: CBU HMC activation - switching back
That happened to us once (person replied that it was a real DR instead of a test). We contacted IBM right away and they fixed the CBU settings and didn't charge us. On 12/4/2021 6:41 AM, Jake Anderson wrote: Hello Is it possible to swtich back to temporary CBU activation incase it someone has activated the CBU permanently by mistake ? Jake -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: CBU HMC activation - switching back
W dniu 04.12.2021 o 13:41, Jake Anderson pisze: Hello Is it possible to swtich back to temporary CBU activation incase it someone has activated the CBU permanently by mistake ? There are two modes of CBU Test and Real Activation. Test can be switched back at any time you want or it will be back automatically. Real Activation means you are in deep sh*t and you should call IBM rep ASAP. Formal statement is you did Real Activation, it was your choice, end of story. In real world they may accept reasonable explanation. Of course this is business problem, not technical. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: CBU HMC activation - switching back
Check with IBM in any case. You'll need their involvement. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jake Anderson Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 7:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: CBU HMC activation - switching back Hello Is it possible to swtich back to temporary CBU activation incase it someone has activated the CBU permanently by mistake ? Jake -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
CBU HMC activation - switching back
Hello Is it possible to swtich back to temporary CBU activation incase it someone has activated the CBU permanently by mistake ? Jake -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
