Re: Cringely article about more IBM rumors

2016-06-16 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler 
john.archie.mck...@gmail.com (John McKown) writes:
> ​Thanks. I was thinking of the CPs used by user software. It's interesting
> that the I/O channels use a Power chip.​

In 1988, I was asked to help LLNL standardize some serial stuff they had
... which quickly becomes the fibre channel standard ... one of the
early implementations was for rs/6000 circa 1991. later some POK channel
engineers become involved and define a heavy-weight protocol running
over fibre-channel standard that drastically reduces the native
throughput ... eventually released as FICON
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#ficon

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Re: Cringely article about more IBM rumors

2016-06-16 Thread John McKown 
On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 7:20 AM, Tom Marchant <
000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:21:11 -0500, John McKown wrote:
>
> >Interesting. But one glaring mistake. The z series does not have a Power
> >chip inside it.
>
> The z System processor is not a power processor. However, z System machines
> do have Power chips in them. IIRC, each channel has 2 power cores to run
> it.
>

​Thanks. I was thinking of the CPs used by user software. It's interesting
that the I/O channels use a Power chip.​


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Re: Cringely article about more IBM rumors

2016-06-16 Thread Tom Marchant 
On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:21:11 -0500, John McKown wrote:

>Interesting. But one glaring mistake. The z series does not have a Power
>chip inside it.

The z System processor is not a power processor. However, z System machines 
do have Power chips in them. IIRC, each channel has 2 power cores to run it.

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Re: Cringely article about more IBM rumors

2016-06-15 Thread Jack J. Woehr 

Paul Gilmartin wrote:

ITYM "teleported".  You don't know until you open the box.

-- gil


Heisenberg, Schrödinger and Ohm were in a car.

Heisenberg was driving and a policeman pulled him over.

"Do you know how fast you were going?" the policeman asked Heisenberg.

"No, but I know where I am," replied Heisenberg.

"You were doing 90!" the policeman said.

"Thanks, now I'm lost!" said Heisenberg.

The policeman gets suspicious and searches the trunk. "Do you fellows know you have 
a dead cat in here?"

"Now we do," replies Schrödinger.

So the policeman tries to arrest them, but Ohm resists.

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Re: Cringely article about more IBM rumors

2016-06-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin 
On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:14:01 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote:

>On 15 June 2016 at 17:06, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
>
>> http://www.cringely.com/2016/06/15/mainframe-dead-long-live-mainframe/
>>>
>>> Goodbye Mainframe. Hello Quantum Computers. IBM is probably looking to
>> sell the mainframe division to raise cash for building them there critturs.
>
>So how many IBM lawyers would be transferred as part of the division, I
>wonder...?
>
ITYM "teleported".  You don't know until you open the box.

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Re: Cringely article about more IBM rumors

2016-06-15 Thread Tony Harminc 
On 15 June 2016 at 17:06, Jack J. Woehr  wrote:

> http://www.cringely.com/2016/06/15/mainframe-dead-long-live-mainframe/
>>
>> Goodbye Mainframe. Hello Quantum Computers. IBM is probably looking to
> sell the mainframe division to raise cash for building them there critturs.


So how many IBM lawyers would be transferred as part of the division, I
wonder...?

Tony H.

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Re: Cringely article about more IBM rumors

2016-06-15 Thread Jack J. Woehr 

Dana Mitchell wrote:

Interesting reading

http://www.cringely.com/2016/06/15/mainframe-dead-long-live-mainframe/

Goodbye Mainframe. Hello Quantum Computers. IBM is probably looking to sell the mainframe division to raise cash for 
building them there critturs.


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Re: Cringely article about more IBM rumors

2016-06-15 Thread Edward Finnell 
Yeah we hashed that out when the Z6/Z10 rolled out, same fabrication,  
something like 62% instruction overlap but not a Power chip. As Dr. Webb says  
'siblings not twins'. The z6 rollout can be found here:
 
http://speleotrove.com/decimal/IBM-z6-mainframe-microprocessor-Webb.pdf 
 
 Search on IBM z13 CPU and find some of Harv Emery's (WSC)  SHARE  
presentations on the Z13. Billions of transistors, 12.5 miles of copper wire, 
on  15 
layers  22nm technology on SOI boards not much bigger than an index  card.
 
 
In a message dated 6/15/2016 3:21:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
john.archie.mck...@gmail.com writes:

But one  glaring mistake. The z series does not have a Power
chip inside  it.



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Re: Cringely article about more IBM rumors

2016-06-15 Thread John McKown 
Interesting. But one glaring mistake. The z series does not have a Power
chip inside it.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Dana Mitchell  wrote:

> Interesting reading
>
> http://www.cringely.com/2016/06/15/mainframe-dead-long-live-mainframe/
>
> Dana
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"I think you're mistaking the word optimistic for inept."
"They've got a similar ring to my ear."

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Cringely article about more IBM rumors

2016-06-15 Thread Dana Mitchell 
Interesting reading

http://www.cringely.com/2016/06/15/mainframe-dead-long-live-mainframe/

Dana

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