Re: IBM JCL Expert preview in today's announcement letter

[Clem Clarke]

David,

You might like to look at this language which is a major enhancement or 
replacement for JCL.


Not only can it create correct JCL, it can also use Dynamic Allocation 
to operate under TSO or in batch without JCL.


It also has a Scheduling system that allows full Job networks to be 
executed.


There is a version which runs on Windows (and other systems) to create 
JCL to run on the mainframe.


Jol is based on PL/I and extremely easy to use.  It can be used with a 
simple English style language, or using a Menu style system for novices.


The original concept was that it would be the Universal Command Language 
for IBM Mainframes (MVS/Zos and VSE) and other systems such as Unix.


Details are here: https://start.oscar-jol.com/

I look forward to discussing it with you.

Sincerely,

Clem Clarke

  wrote:

Hello,  I would be glad to talk to you about this new product and potential 
features.
Call me at 317 903-9455 anytime.

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Hello List,
I see that the IBM announcement 
https://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/3/649/ENUSA21-0533/index.html&lang=en&request_locale=en
 triggered a lot of questions.
I am the Senior Product Manager in IBM working on this new project, so it will 
be a completely new offering from IBM for a JCL Checker tool.
If you are interested in talking with development during the development phase, 
reach-out me. It would not be a sales call, just an early exposure of what we 
plan to deliver with the possibility to influence the roadmap.

Thank you,
Domenico D'Alterio

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Re: IBM JCL Expert preview in today's announcement letter

Hello,  I would be glad to talk to you about this new product and potential 
features.
Call me at 317 903-9455 anytime.

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Hello List,
I see that the IBM announcement 
https://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/3/649/ENUSA21-0533/index.html&lang=en&request_locale=en
 triggered a lot of questions.
I am the Senior Product Manager in IBM working on this new project, so it will 
be a completely new offering from IBM for a JCL Checker tool.
If you are interested in talking with development during the development phase, 
reach-out me. It would not be a sales call, just an early exposure of what we 
plan to deliver with the possibility to influence the roadmap.

Thank you,
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Re: IBM JCL Expert preview in today's announcement letter

[Seymour J Metz]

It's easy to write a REXX function in assembler to return the output of a 
DESERV in compound variables.

Isn't there a stage for listing directories?


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On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 14:42:57 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>DCB=(LRECL=256,BLKSIZE=256) works well. I've' also used KEYLEN=8, However, is 
>there any reason not to use DESERV for new code?
>
Rexx?

Pipelines?

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[Paul Gilmartin]

On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 14:42:57 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>DCB=(LRECL=256,BLKSIZE=256) works well. I've' also used KEYLEN=8, However, is 
>there any reason not to use DESERV for new code?
>
Rexx?

Pipelines?

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[Seymour J Metz]

DCB=(LRECL=256,BLKSIZE=256) works well. I've' also used KEYLEN=8, However, is 
there any reason not to use DESERV for new code?


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>From memory, I'm pretty sure I've done the same thing (LRECL and BKSIZE
256) in compiled code, allocated both via JCL and via SVC 99.

Out of date, I'm guessing there are handy routines to read PDS directories
for us these days, and PDSE too? (Newer than ISPF LM*, I mean).

Roops

On Wed., Oct. 6, 2021, 16:19 Paul Gilmartin, <
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 10:33:14 -0400, David Spiegel wrote:
> >...
> >Besides not needing DCB, DSORG is usually useless as well.
> >
> Perhaps useless in JCL.  In Rexx I've needed to code DSORG(PS) to read a
> PDS directory.
>
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Re: IBM JCL Expert preview in today's announcement letter

[Carmen Vitullo]

I would be interested in participating in a conf call or a private call 
with developers


thank you

Carmen

On 10/8/2021 7:55 AM, Domenico D'Alterio wrote:

Hello List,
I see that the IBM announcement 
https://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/3/649/ENUSA21-0533/index.html&lang=en&request_locale=en
 triggered a lot of questions.
I am the Senior Product Manager in IBM working on this new project, so it will 
be a completely new offering from IBM for a JCL Checker tool.
If you are interested in talking with development during the development phase, 
reach-out me. It would not be a sales call, just an early exposure of what we 
plan to deliver with the possibility to influence the roadmap.

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Re: IBM JCL Expert preview in today's announcement letter

[Mitch Mccluhan]

Domenic,
Tell me more, please.
Mitch


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On Friday, October 8, 2021, 8:05 AM, Domenico D'Alterio 
 wrote:

Hello List,
I see that the IBM announcement 
https://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/3/649/ENUSA21-0533/index.html&lang=en&request_locale=en
 triggered a lot of questions.
I am the Senior Product Manager in IBM working on this new project, so it will 
be a completely new offering from IBM for a JCL Checker tool.
If you are interested in talking with development during the development phase, 
reach-out me. It would not be a sales call, just an early exposure of what we 
plan to deliver with the possibility to influence the roadmap.

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Re: IBM JCL Expert preview in today's announcement letter

[Domenico D'Alterio]

Hello List,
I see that the IBM announcement 
https://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/3/649/ENUSA21-0533/index.html&lang=en&request_locale=en
 triggered a lot of questions.
I am the Senior Product Manager in IBM working on this new project, so it will 
be a completely new offering from IBM for a JCL Checker tool.
If you are interested in talking with development during the development phase, 
reach-out me. It would not be a sales call, just an early exposure of what we 
plan to deliver with the possibility to influence the roadmap.

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM JCL Expert preview in today's announcement letter

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Hi Brian,

That was part of why I posed the initial question.  Is IBM 
repackaging/reselling JED (or some other JCL checker) or are they rolling their 
own?  Guess we'll have to wait until next year to see what it's all about.  My 
company is considering getting a JCL checker (no sales calls please..., we're 
not at that point) so the announcement piqued my interest.

Thanks,

Rex

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I don't get it, JED is not an IBM product.

Brian

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM JCL Expert preview in today's announcement letter

[Pommier, Rex]

Hi Brian,

That was part of why I posed the initial question.  Is IBM 
repackaging/reselling JED (or some other JCL checker) or are they rolling their 
own?  Guess we'll have to wait until next year to see what it's all about.  My 
company is considering getting a JCL checker (no sales calls please..., we're 
not at that point) so the announcement piqued my interest.

Thanks,

Rex

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I don't get it, JED is not an IBM product.

Brian

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Re: [IBM External] Re: IBM JCL Expert preview in today's announcement letter

[Martin Packer]

I, too, put DSN first. More importantly to me, I put it on a separate 
line. That makes ISPF File Tailoring more reliable and I'm often wanting 
to change the data sets I'm pointing at.

But then I'm not exactly in a Production shop.

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Just a side comment, you may be in the minority putting DISP first, but 
the minority isn't tiny; my observation is that a lot of folks do it.  I 
sometimes do myself -- I like making parms line up, it often makes them 
easier to read -- but alas, my habit is still to put it after the DSN. 
Always in the same order, in fact, so I guess I have a "standard" even 
though it's peculiar to me:

  //DDNAME   DD DSN=DATA.SET.NAME,DISP=(,CATLG),
  //DCB=(DSORG=PS,RECFM=VB,LRECL=1028[,BLKSIZE=half-tracK]),
  //[UNIT=something,]SPACE=(CYL,(5,20),RLSE)

Yeah, I still do DCB=(...).  I learned JCL forty years ago.  I hear it's 
no longer needed, but I'm used to it.  Sue me.

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Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2021 08:32

JED provides complete JCL validation, reformatting
and enforcement of JCL standards.  ...

What's a "standard"  Suppose a site has a standard for naming job steps.
Can it enforce that?  Or only "standards" in the view of the JED author.

In DD statements I habitually code DISP as the first option.  I may be in 
a minority.  Does JED enforce ordering of options?  Might it require or 
prohibit "DCB=(...)"?  (is ""DCB=(...)" ever needed nowadays?  I still see 
it coded on occasion.)

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Re: IBM JCL Expert preview in today's announcement letter

[Windt, W.K.F. van der (Fred)]

Even better for that particular situation: add a JCL variable somewhere at the 
top of the JCL and use that variable wherever the value is required:

//*
// SET DSN=THIS.IS.THE.DATASET<= Dataset to print
//*
:
:
:
//SYSUT1   DD DSN=&DSN,
//DISP=SHR
:
:
:
//DD1  DD DSN=&DSN,
//DISP=SHR


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My favorite layout is this:

//ddname DD DISP=xxx,
// DSN=dsname

This allows maximum flexibility in editing or otherwise altering JCL text.

On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 10:13 AM Charles Mills  wrote:

> I am a fan of DSN last, or at least last on a line, because it is the
> one thing that seems to change the most, or change when you clone a
> job, and when it changes, the length of the operand often changes.
>
> Charles
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of David Spiegel
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>
> Hi Bob,
> I learned JCL in the mid '70s (45 years ago).
> Placing DISP first makes the JCL line up a lot more than placing DSN first.
> Besides not needing DCB, DSORG is usually useless as well.
>
>
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Re: IBM JCL Expert preview in today's announcement letter

[Brian Westerman]

I don't get it, JED is not an IBM product.

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM JCL Expert preview in today's announcement letter

[Bob Bridges]

I get that that makes it easier to make changes.  But I value screen space
too much to go for that; I want each DD to take up one or three rows, no
more whenever possible.  It's not always possible, of course, but when I
can.

I know I'm in the minority, but I do the same thing when coding.  If some
statements are related...well, like this:

  if before>after then do; x=before; before=after; after=x; end

...or:

  do jw=1 to words(str); say word(str,jw); end

I don't do it all the time, but sometimes if a few short statements are a
conceptual unit, yeah.

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I generally put each parameter on a separate line, for ease in editing.


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I'm in your boat but trying to transition to Gil's.  :-)  Much easier to
change DSN if it's the last parameter on the line.

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Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2021 8:57 AM

Just a side comment, you may be in the minority putting DISP first, but the
minority isn't tiny; my observation is that a lot of folks do it.  I
sometimes do myself -- I like making parms line up, it often makes them
easier to read -- but alas, my habit is still to put it after the DSN.
Always in the same order, in fact, so I guess I have a "standard" even
though it's peculiar to me:

  //DDNAME   DD DSN=DATA.SET.NAME,DISP=(,CATLG),
  //DCB=(DSORG=PS,RECFM=VB,LRECL=1028[,BLKSIZE=half-tracK]),
  //[UNIT=something,]SPACE=(CYL,(5,20),RLSE)

Yeah, I still do DCB=(...).  I learned JCL forty years ago.  I hear it's no
longer needed, but I'm used to it.  Sue me.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of
Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2021 08:32

JED provides complete JCL validation, reformatting
and enforcement of JCL standards.  ...

What's a "standard"  Suppose a site has a standard for naming job steps.
Can it enforce that?  Or only "standards" in the view of the JED author.

In DD statements I habitually code DISP as the first option.  I may be in a
minority.  Does JED enforce ordering of options?  Might it require or
prohibit "DCB=(...)"?  (is ""DCB=(...)" ever needed nowadays?  I still see
it coded on occasion.)

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Re: IBM JCL Expert preview in today's announcement letter

[Skip Robinson]

My favorite layout is this:

//ddname DD DISP=xxx,
// DSN=dsname

This allows maximum flexibility in editing or otherwise altering JCL text.

On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 10:13 AM Charles Mills  wrote:

> I am a fan of DSN last, or at least last on a line, because it is the one
> thing that seems to change the most, or change when you clone a job, and
> when it changes, the length of the operand often changes.
>
> Charles
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of David Spiegel
> Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2021 7:33 AM
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>
> Hi Bob,
> I learned JCL in the mid '70s (45 years ago).
> Placing DISP first makes the JCL line up a lot more than placing DSN first.
> Besides not needing DCB, DSORG is usually useless as well.
>
>
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[Paul Gilmartin]

On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 10:12:53 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:

>I am a fan of DSN last, or at least last on a line, because it is the one 
>thing that seems to change the most, or change when you clone a job, and when 
>it changes, the length of the operand often changes.
> 
Changing operand lengths should be less a problem if you use
the right editor, or even the wrong editor with the right profile.

But stay clear of column 72.

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[Charles Mills]

I am a fan of DSN last, or at least last on a line, because it is the one thing 
that seems to change the most, or change when you clone a job, and when it 
changes, the length of the operand often changes.

Charles


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Hi Bob,
I learned JCL in the mid '70s (45 years ago).
Placing DISP first makes the JCL line up a lot more than placing DSN first.
Besides not needing DCB, DSORG is usually useless as well.

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Re: IBM JCL Expert preview in today's announcement letter

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 16:45:25 +0100, Rupert Reynolds wrote:
>
>Out of date, I'm guessing there are handy routines to read PDS directories
>for us these days, and PDSE too? (Newer than ISPF LM*, I mean).
> 
PDSE directoeies can be read with LRECL=256.  I suspect it's compatibility 
magic.
I don't know whether it leaves a connection to every member.

DESERV?  No Rexx API.  Does DESERV or ISPF LM support HFS directories 
as BLDL does?

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Re: IBM JCL Expert preview in today's announcement letter

[Rupert Reynolds]

>From memory, I'm pretty sure I've done the same thing (LRECL and BKSIZE
256) in compiled code, allocated both via JCL and via SVC 99.

Out of date, I'm guessing there are handy routines to read PDS directories
for us these days, and PDSE too? (Newer than ISPF LM*, I mean).

Roops

On Wed., Oct. 6, 2021, 16:19 Paul Gilmartin, <
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 10:33:14 -0400, David Spiegel wrote:
> >...
> >Besides not needing DCB, DSORG is usually useless as well.
> >
> Perhaps useless in JCL.  In Rexx I've needed to code DSORG(PS) to read a
> PDS directory.
>
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[Seymour J Metz]

I generally put each parameter on a separate line, for ease in editing.


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Hi Bob,

I'm in your boat but trying to transition to Gil's.  :-)  Much easier to change 
DSN if it's the last parameter on the line.

Rex

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Just a side comment, you may be in the minority putting DISP first, but the 
minority isn't tiny; my observation is that a lot of folks do it.  I sometimes 
do myself -- I like making parms line up, it often makes them easier to read -- 
but alas, my habit is still to put it after the DSN.  Always in the same order, 
in fact, so I guess I have a "standard" even though it's peculiar to me:

  //DDNAME   DD DSN=DATA.SET.NAME,DISP=(,CATLG),
  //DCB=(DSORG=PS,RECFM=VB,LRECL=1028[,BLKSIZE=half-tracK]),
  //[UNIT=something,]SPACE=(CYL,(5,20),RLSE)

Yeah, I still do DCB=(...).  I learned JCL forty years ago.  I hear it's no 
longer needed, but I'm used to it.  Sue me.

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JED provides complete JCL validation, reformatting
and enforcement of JCL standards.  ...

What's a "standard"  Suppose a site has a standard for naming job steps.
Can it enforce that?  Or only "standards" in the view of the JED author.

In DD statements I habitually code DISP as the first option.  I may be in a 
minority.  Does JED enforce ordering of options?  Might it require or prohibit 
"DCB=(...)"?  (is ""DCB=(...)" ever needed nowadays?  I still see it coded on 
occasion.)

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[David Spiegel]

Hi Gil,
That's why I said "usually".
Another is a Model DSCB (usually required for GDG Bases).

Regards,
David

On 2021-10-06 11:19, Paul Gilmartin wrote:

On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 10:33:14 -0400, David Spiegel wrote:

...
Besides not needing DCB, DSORG is usually useless as well.


Perhaps useless in JCL.  In Rexx I've needed to code DSORG(PS) to read a PDS 
directory.

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On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 10:33:14 -0400, David Spiegel wrote:
>...
>Besides not needing DCB, DSORG is usually useless as well.
> 
Perhaps useless in JCL.  In Rexx I've needed to code DSORG(PS) to read a PDS 
directory.

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On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 14:13:18 +, Pommier, Rex wrote:

>Hi Bob,
>I'm in your boat but trying to transition to Gil's.  :-)  Much easier to 
>change DSN if it's the last parameter on the line.  
> 
... Or on a separate continuation line, which I sometimes prefer.

And I've wished for a JCL NULL option to make editing JCL with a macro easier.

>-Original Message-
>From: Bob Bridges
>Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2021 8:57 AM
>
>Yeah, I still do DCB=(...).  I learned JCL forty years ago.  I hear it's no 
>longer needed, but I'm used to it.  Sue me.
>
In early days of OMVS I showed a co-worker:
You can code "//SYSUT1 DD PATH='some.path',FILEDATA=TEXT,
// RECFM=FB,LRECL=80,BLKSIZE=800"

But don't you mean "DCB=(RECFM=FB,LRECL=80,BLKSIZE=800)"

No.  You can't  do that.

He persisted and  got a syntax error.

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Re: IBM JCL Expert preview in today's announcement letter

[Colin Paice]

Looks like JED <https://www.dcmsi.com/jeda2.htm>

On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 at 15:32, Farley, Peter x23353 <
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> Note the link to the "Solution web page" web site on that page:
>
> www.dcmsi.com
>
> We use products from this vendor.  Very useful products, very responsive
> support, priced right.  Recommended.
>
> Their JED product is not one we use at the moment, but given the quality
> of their other products I would expect good things of it.
>
> Peter
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[David Spiegel]

Hi Bob,
I learned JCL in the mid '70s (45 years ago).
Placing DISP first makes the JCL line up a lot more than placing DSN first.
Besides not needing DCB, DSORG is usually useless as well.

Regards,
David

On 2021-10-06 09:57, Bob Bridges wrote:

Just a side comment, you may be in the minority putting DISP first, but the minority 
isn't tiny; my observation is that a lot of folks do it.  I sometimes do myself -- I like 
making parms line up, it often makes them easier to read -- but alas, my habit is still 
to put it after the DSN.  Always in the same order, in fact, so I guess I have a 
"standard" even though it's peculiar to me:

   //DDNAME   DD DSN=DATA.SET.NAME,DISP=(,CATLG),
   //DCB=(DSORG=PS,RECFM=VB,LRECL=1028[,BLKSIZE=half-tracK]),
   //[UNIT=something,]SPACE=(CYL,(5,20),RLSE)

Yeah, I still do DCB=(...).  I learned JCL forty years ago.  I hear it's no 
longer needed, but I'm used to it.  Sue me.

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 JED provides complete JCL validation, reformatting
 and enforcement of JCL standards.  ...

What's a "standard"  Suppose a site has a standard for naming job steps.
Can it enforce that?  Or only "standards" in the view of the JED author.

In DD statements I habitually code DISP as the first option.  I may be in a minority.  Does JED enforce 
ordering of options?  Might it require or prohibit "DCB=(...)"?  (is 
""DCB=(...)" ever needed nowadays?  I still see it coded on occasion.)

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[Farley, Peter x23353]

Note the link to the "Solution web page" web site on that page:

www.dcmsi.com

We use products from this vendor.  Very useful products, very responsive 
support, priced right.  Recommended.

Their JED product is not one we use at the moment, but given the quality of 
their other products I would expect good things of it.

Peter

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[Colin Paice]

Maybe this is aimed at the z newbie,who does not have a store of canned
JCL.
I sometimes have to code DCB(LRECL=133) for some spool output to prevent it
wrapping

On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 at 14:47, kekronbekron <
02dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> That'll be fun... auto-converting to standards.
> Developers will start a ruckus, I'm guessing.
>
> Recently learnt about another product that does this for SMS allocations
> (interactive and batch)... pretty neat.
>
> These things align ducks better than requesting teams to follow a
> document, which always gathers dust.
>
> - KB
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>
> On Wednesday, October 6th, 2021 at 6:30 PM, Pommier, Rex <
> rpomm...@sfgmembers.com> wrote:
>
> > Gil,
> >
> > I took the "JCL standards" as being site specific. To use your example,
> if the site has a standard of DISP= being the first parameter on a DD
> statement, this could enforce that. Placing every parameter on a separate
> line or making sure all the parameters are in the same relative location or
> starting in the same column. That kind of stuff.
> >
> > Rex
> >
> > -Original Message-
> >
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf
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> >
> > On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 06:58:56 +0100, Mike Schwab wrote:
> >
> > > <https://urldefense.com/v3/https://www-356.ibm.com/partnerworld/gsd/s
> > >
> > > olutiondetails.do?solution=37147&expand=true&lc=en;!!KjMRP1Ixj6eLE0Fj
> > >
> > > !-AzZkOzj4m9tO2IzYTBDs1MDYhNep8OyndLmyhSt6LNT6GuGvsBR6emY0AEg0Gaw1g$ >
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> > "www-356.ibm.com"!?
> >
> > JED provides complete JCL validation, reformatting
> >
> > and enforcement of JCL standards. ...
> >
> > What's a "standard" Suppose a site has a standard for naming job steps.
> >
> > Can it enforce that? Or only "standards" in the view of the JED author.
> >
> > In DD statements I habitually code DISP as the first option. I may be in
> a minority. Does JED enforce ordering of options? Might it require or
> prohibit "DCB=(...)"? (is ""DCB=(...)" ever needed nowadays? I still see it
> coded on occasion.)
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[Pommier, Rex]

Hi Bob,

I'm in your boat but trying to transition to Gil's.  :-)  Much easier to change 
DSN if it's the last parameter on the line.  

Rex

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Just a side comment, you may be in the minority putting DISP first, but the 
minority isn't tiny; my observation is that a lot of folks do it.  I sometimes 
do myself -- I like making parms line up, it often makes them easier to read -- 
but alas, my habit is still to put it after the DSN.  Always in the same order, 
in fact, so I guess I have a "standard" even though it's peculiar to me:

  //DDNAME   DD DSN=DATA.SET.NAME,DISP=(,CATLG),
  //DCB=(DSORG=PS,RECFM=VB,LRECL=1028[,BLKSIZE=half-tracK]),
  //[UNIT=something,]SPACE=(CYL,(5,20),RLSE)

Yeah, I still do DCB=(...).  I learned JCL forty years ago.  I hear it's no 
longer needed, but I'm used to it.  Sue me.

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JED provides complete JCL validation, reformatting
and enforcement of JCL standards.  ...

What's a "standard"  Suppose a site has a standard for naming job steps.
Can it enforce that?  Or only "standards" in the view of the JED author.

In DD statements I habitually code DISP as the first option.  I may be in a 
minority.  Does JED enforce ordering of options?  Might it require or prohibit 
"DCB=(...)"?  (is ""DCB=(...)" ever needed nowadays?  I still see it coded on 
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[Bob Bridges]

Just a side comment, you may be in the minority putting DISP first, but the 
minority isn't tiny; my observation is that a lot of folks do it.  I sometimes 
do myself -- I like making parms line up, it often makes them easier to read -- 
but alas, my habit is still to put it after the DSN.  Always in the same order, 
in fact, so I guess I have a "standard" even though it's peculiar to me:

  //DDNAME   DD DSN=DATA.SET.NAME,DISP=(,CATLG),
  //DCB=(DSORG=PS,RECFM=VB,LRECL=1028[,BLKSIZE=half-tracK]),
  //[UNIT=something,]SPACE=(CYL,(5,20),RLSE)

Yeah, I still do DCB=(...).  I learned JCL forty years ago.  I hear it's no 
longer needed, but I'm used to it.  Sue me.

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JED provides complete JCL validation, reformatting
and enforcement of JCL standards.  ...

What's a "standard"  Suppose a site has a standard for naming job steps.
Can it enforce that?  Or only "standards" in the view of the JED author.

In DD statements I habitually code DISP as the first option.  I may be in a 
minority.  Does JED enforce ordering of options?  Might it require or prohibit 
"DCB=(...)"?  (is ""DCB=(...)" ever needed nowadays?  I still see it coded on 
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[kekronbekron]

That'll be fun... auto-converting to standards.
Developers will start a ruckus, I'm guessing.

Recently learnt about another product that does this for SMS allocations 
(interactive and batch)... pretty neat.

These things align ducks better than requesting teams to follow a document, 
which always gathers dust.

- KB

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐

On Wednesday, October 6th, 2021 at 6:30 PM, Pommier, Rex 
 wrote:

> Gil,
>
> I took the "JCL standards" as being site specific. To use your example, if 
> the site has a standard of DISP= being the first parameter on a DD statement, 
> this could enforce that. Placing every parameter on a separate line or making 
> sure all the parameters are in the same relative location or starting in the 
> same column. That kind of stuff.
>
> Rex
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf Of 
> Paul Gilmartin
>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2021 7:32 AM
>
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM JCL Expert preview in today's announcement letter
>
> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 06:58:56 +0100, Mike Schwab wrote:
>
> > <https://urldefense.com/v3/https://www-356.ibm.com/partnerworld/gsd/s
> >
> > olutiondetails.do?solution=37147&expand=true&lc=en;!!KjMRP1Ixj6eLE0Fj
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>
> JED provides complete JCL validation, reformatting
>
> and enforcement of JCL standards. ...
>
> What's a "standard" Suppose a site has a standard for naming job steps.
>
> Can it enforce that? Or only "standards" in the view of the JED author.
>
> In DD statements I habitually code DISP as the first option. I may be in a 
> minority. Does JED enforce ordering of options? Might it require or prohibit 
> "DCB=(...)"? (is ""DCB=(...)" ever needed nowadays? I still see it coded on 
> occasion.)
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[Pommier, Rex]

Gil,

I took the "JCL standards" as being site specific.  To use your example, if the 
site has a standard of DISP= being the first parameter on a DD statement, this 
could enforce that.  Placing every parameter on a separate line or making sure 
all the parameters are in the same relative location or starting in the same 
column.  That kind of stuff.  

Rex

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On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 06:58:56 +0100, Mike Schwab wrote:

><https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www-356.ibm.com/partnerworld/gsd/s
>olutiondetails.do?solution=37147&expand=true&lc=en__;!!KjMRP1Ixj6eLE0Fj
>!-AzZkOzj4m9tO2IzYTBDs1MDYhNep8OyndLmyhSt6LNT6GuGvsBR6emY0AEg0Gaw1g$ >
> 
"www-356.ibm.com"!?

JED provides complete JCL validation, reformatting
and enforcement of JCL standards.  ...

What's a "standard"  Suppose a site has a standard for naming job steps.
Can it enforce that?  Or only "standards" in the view of the JED author.

In DD statements I habitually code DISP as the first option.  I may be in a 
minority.  Does JED enforce ordering of options?  Might it require or prohibit 
"DCB=(...)"?  (is ""DCB=(...)" ever needed nowadays?  I still see it coded on 
occasion.)

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Re: IBM JCL Expert preview in today's announcement letter

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 06:58:56 +0100, Mike Schwab wrote:

>
> 
"www-356.ibm.com"!?

JED provides complete JCL validation, reformatting
and enforcement of JCL standards.  ...

What's a "standard"  Suppose a site has a standard for naming job steps.
Can it enforce that?  Or only "standards" in the view of the JED author.

In DD statements I habitually code DISP as the first option.  I may be in
a minority.  Does JED enforce ordering of options?  Might it require or
prohibit "DCB=(...)"?  (is ""DCB=(...)" ever needed nowadays?  I still see
it coded on occasion.)

-- gil

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Re: IBM JCL Expert preview in today's announcement letter

[Peter Vels]

https://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/8/872/ENUSAP21-0338/index.html&lang=en&request_locale=en

On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 at 16:59, Mike Schwab  wrote:

>
> https://www-356.ibm.com/partnerworld/gsd/solutiondetails.do?solution=37147&expand=true&lc=en
>
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 6:25 AM Brian Westerman
>  wrote:
> >
> > Do you have the announcement link you can post.  I didn't see any today
> about a JCL checker.
> >
> > Brian
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Re: IBM JCL Expert preview in today's announcement letter

[Mike Schwab]

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On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 6:25 AM Brian Westerman
 wrote:
>
> Do you have the announcement link you can post.  I didn't see any today about 
> a JCL checker.
>
> Brian
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Re: IBM JCL Expert preview in today's announcement letter

[Brian Westerman]

Do you have the announcement link you can post.  I didn't see any today about a 
JCL checker.

Brian

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IBM JCL Expert preview in today's announcement letter

[Pommier, Rex]

Hi list,

Does anybody have any insight they could share about the announcement IBM made 
today about a JCL checker they're planning on releasing Q1 2022?  I'm curious 
if this is something IBM is developing or if they have partnered with one of 
the third party JCL checkers and will be reselling it.  

Thanks,

Rex

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