Re: Looking for COBOL SYSADATA record layouts

[Charles Mills]

Just to close the loop on this, I completed sufficient record conversions to 
satisfy my requirement using the method described below. I would post a longer 
example here but I think LISTSERV would make hash out of it. Here is a 
three-line example of my resulting C header fields. Hopefully LISTSERV does not 
hash it too much. Thanks all for your suggestions.

charDate[8];// The date of the compilation in the format 
MMDD
charTime[4];// The time of the compilation in the format 
HHMM
charProduct_number[8];  // The product number of the compiler 
that produced the associated data file

CM


On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 12:28:11 -0600, Charles Mills  wrote:

>You know what I am actually looking at doing? You may laugh but it has worked 
>for me in the past. I am thinking of pulling the IBM HTML documentation into 
>MS-Word and massaging it there into C declarations. I did this for a *LOT* of 
>RACF record layouts for the CorreLog product, so I know whereof I speak. Why 
>MS-Word?
>
>- IBM's HTML tables map to MS-Word tables. You can then manipulate stuff by 
>columns. For example, the doc's Foo CL8 wants to become char Foo[8]; So you 
>duplicate the CL8 column and have CL8 Foo CL8. Then you change the first 
>column's CL8 to char and the third column's CL8 to [8]; and you are most of 
>the way there. Not sure if this description make sense, but it works, at least 
>for me.
>- Good visual text manipulation tools
>- I have done it before and am familiar with it.

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Re: Looking for COBOL SYSADATA record layouts

[Matt Hogstrom]

Provides more detail on the link Kirk provided.

https://developer.ibm.com/tutorials/build-java-records-from-cobol-with-ibm-record-generator/

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> On Dec 16, 2023, at 12:28, Kirk Wolf  wrote:
> 
> Along with generating Java mapping classes, you can also spit out XML 
> descriptions.
> 
> I haven't looked at this in a long time and I'm not 100% sure that IBM 
> provided DSECTS, but I think that they did.  I looked and can't find them 
> either.  


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Re: Looking for COBOL SYSADATA record layouts

[Ed Jaffe]

That's silly. Anyone can do that. You don't need a go-between. It's a 
DIY affair!


The "captain's" name is Tom Ross, works for IBM, hangs out on various 
email lists, comes to our PSI party at every SHARE, and his email 
address is tmr...@us.ibm.com...


On 12/16/2023 10:29 AM, Charles Mills wrote:

Sure. ¿Porque no? Thanks,

Charles

On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 17:54:36 +, M. Ray Mullins  
wrote:


Charles,

Would you like me to ping Captain COBOL?





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Re: Looking for COBOL SYSADATA record layouts

[Charles Mills]

Sure. ¿Porque no? Thanks,

Charles

On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 17:54:36 +, M. Ray Mullins  
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>Charles,
>
>Would you like me to ping Captain COBOL?

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Re: Looking for COBOL SYSADATA record layouts

[Charles Mills]

You know what I am actually looking at doing? You may laugh but it has worked 
for me in the past. I am thinking of pulling the IBM HTML documentation into 
MS-Word and massaging it there into C declarations. I did this for a *LOT* of 
RACF record layouts for the CorreLog product, so I know whereof I speak. Why 
MS-Word?

- IBM's HTML tables map to MS-Word tables. You can then manipulate stuff by 
columns. For example, the doc's Foo CL8 wants to become char Foo[8]; So you 
duplicate the CL8 column and have CL8 Foo CL8. Then you change the first 
column's CL8 to char and the third column's CL8 to [8]; and you are most of the 
way there. Not sure if this description make sense, but it works, at least for 
me.
- Good visual text manipulation tools
- I have done it before and am familiar with it.

Charles

On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 12:12:01 -0600, Kirk Wolf  wrote:

>>
>> I am not much of a Java guy but IIRC it would be a fairly short editing leap 
>> from Java classes to C structs.
>
>Depends on what you mean by "fairly short" :-)
>
>It would be good if you could find the DSECTS for Cobol ADATA, but if you look 
>at the ADATA produced by Cobol, you'll likely find that you only need a couple 
>of record types.   You could just type these into structs in a few hours, and 
>it would  be easier than translating from Java code.   But mapping the ADATA 
>records is by far the easiest part :-)

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Re: Looking for COBOL SYSADATA record layouts

[Kirk Wolf]

> 
> I am not much of a Java guy but IIRC it would be a fairly short editing leap 
> from Java classes to C structs.

Depends on what you mean by "fairly short" :-)

It would be good if you could find the DSECTS for Cobol ADATA, but if you look 
at the ADATA produced by Cobol, you'll likely find that you only need a couple 
of record types.   You could just type these into structs in a few hours, and 
it would  be easier than translating from Java code.   But mapping the ADATA 
records is by far the easiest part :-)

Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies
http:// coztoolkit.com

On Sat, Dec 16, 2023, at 11:47 AM, Charles Mills wrote:
> @Kirk, interesting. I was not aware of that tool. I have used the DSECT to C 
> header conversion tool that is part of the XLC product, but I was not aware 
> of this tool.
> 
> I am not much of a Java guy but IIRC it would be a fairly short editing leap 
> from Java classes to C structs.
> 
> Unfortunately, as you imply, it needs DSECT or COBOL layouts as input, and I 
> don't have that. What is needed is a tool that would take a PDF manual as 
> input! (Only half kidding. Could ChatGPT do that?)
> 
> I have the HLASM ADATA layouts in DSECT form, but most of the record types 
> are not alike beyond the name and the type code.
> 
> Charles
> 
> On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 11:28:22 -0600, Kirk Wolf  wrote:
> 
> >Hi Charles,
> >
> >This may not be what you are looking for, but as I recall it's pretty cool:
> >
> >https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/record-generator/3.0?topic=what-is-record-generator-java
> >
> >Along with generating Java mapping classes, you can also spit out XML 
> >descriptions.
> >
> >I haven't looked at this in a long time and I'm not 100% sure that IBM 
> >provided DSECTS, but I think that they did.  I looked and can't find them 
> >either.
> 
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Re: Looking for COBOL SYSADATA record layouts

[M. Ray Mullins]

Charles,

Would you like me to ping Captain COBOL?

Cheers,
Ray

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Subject: Re: Looking for COBOL SYSADATA record layouts

@Kirk, interesting. I was not aware of that tool. I have used the DSECT to C 
header conversion tool that is part of the XLC product, but I was not aware of 
this tool.

I am not much of a Java guy but IIRC it would be a fairly short editing leap 
from Java classes to C structs.

Unfortunately, as you imply, it needs DSECT or COBOL layouts as input, and I 
don't have that. What is needed is a tool that would take a PDF manual as 
input! (Only half kidding. Could ChatGPT do that?)

I have the HLASM ADATA layouts in DSECT form, but most of the record types are 
not alike beyond the name and the type code.

Charles

On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 11:28:22 -0600, Kirk Wolf  wrote:

>Hi Charles,
>
>This may not be what you are looking for, but as I recall it's pretty cool:
>
>https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/record-generator/3.0?topic=what-is-record-generator-java
>
>Along with generating Java mapping classes, you can also spit out XML 
>descriptions.
>
>I haven't looked at this in a long time and I'm not 100% sure that IBM 
>provided DSECTS, but I think that they did.  I looked and can't find them 
>either.

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Re: Looking for COBOL SYSADATA record layouts

[Charles Mills]

@Kirk, interesting. I was not aware of that tool. I have used the DSECT to C 
header conversion tool that is part of the XLC product, but I was not aware of 
this tool.

I am not much of a Java guy but IIRC it would be a fairly short editing leap 
from Java classes to C structs.

Unfortunately, as you imply, it needs DSECT or COBOL layouts as input, and I 
don't have that. What is needed is a tool that would take a PDF manual as 
input! (Only half kidding. Could ChatGPT do that?)

I have the HLASM ADATA layouts in DSECT form, but most of the record types are 
not alike beyond the name and the type code.

Charles

On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 11:28:22 -0600, Kirk Wolf  wrote:

>Hi Charles,
>
>This may not be what you are looking for, but as I recall it's pretty cool:
>
>https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/record-generator/3.0?topic=what-is-record-generator-java
>
>Along with generating Java mapping classes, you can also spit out XML 
>descriptions.
>
>I haven't looked at this in a long time and I'm not 100% sure that IBM 
>provided DSECTS, but I think that they did.  I looked and can't find them 
>either.

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Re: Looking for COBOL SYSADATA record layouts

[Charles Mills]

ASM ≠ COBOL

The ADATA records for the two products have a lot in common but not as much as 
one might hope.

Charles

On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 08:03:46 -0600, Ralph Spadafora 
 wrote:

>HLA.SASMMAC1(ASMADATA)

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Re: Looking for COBOL SYSADATA record layouts

[Kirk Wolf]

Hi Charles,

This may not be what you are looking for, but as I recall it's pretty cool:

https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/record-generator/3.0?topic=what-is-record-generator-java

Along with generating Java mapping classes, you can also spit out XML 
descriptions.

I haven't looked at this in a long time and I'm not 100% sure that IBM provided 
DSECTS, but I think that they did.  I looked and can't find them either.  

Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies
http:// coztoolkit.com

PS> When it comes to mapping Cobol records in C, you'll find that the basic 
stuff isn't hard, but the weird stuff is a nightmare.

On Fri, Dec 15, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Charles Mills wrote:
> I am looking for compiler-readable record layouts for Enterprise COBOL 
> SYSADATA. I see the human-oriented record descriptions in the Programming 
> Guide. I see the sample exit program in IGYxxx.SAMPLIB(ADEXIT), which 
> contains (very) partial record layouts. I have searched SYS1.SIEAHDR.H. I 
> have looked in IGYxxx.MACLIB and SYS1.MACLIB. I have asked the Goo Gal.
> 
> Source language, in order of descending preference, would be C header, 
> Assembler DSECT, or anything else.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Charles
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Re: Looking for COBOL SYSADATA record layouts

[Ralph Spadafora]

HLA.SASMMAC1(ASMADATA)

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Re: Looking for COBOL SYSADATA record layouts

[Charles Mills]

+1

Not the solution to my problem today, however. 

CM

On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 11:30:28 -0600, Paul Gilmartin  wrote:

>On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 10:37:56 -0600, Charles Mills wrote:
>
>>I am looking for compiler-readable record layouts ...
>>
>>Source language, in order of descending preference, would be C header, 
>>Assembler DSECT, or anything else.
>>
>I see a need for a universal data format specification language generating 
>output
>for both compilers and documentation.

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Re: Looking for COBOL SYSADATA record layouts

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 10:37:56 -0600, Charles Mills wrote:

>I am looking for compiler-readable record layouts ...
>
>Source language, in order of descending preference, would be C header, 
>Assembler DSECT, or anything else.
>
I see a need for a universal data format specification language generating 
output
for both compilers and documentation.

Might XML provide a solution?

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Looking for COBOL SYSADATA record layouts

[Charles Mills]

I am looking for compiler-readable record layouts for Enterprise COBOL 
SYSADATA. I see the human-oriented record descriptions in the Programming 
Guide. I see the sample exit program in IGYxxx.SAMPLIB(ADEXIT), which contains 
(very) partial record layouts. I have searched SYS1.SIEAHDR.H. I have looked in 
IGYxxx.MACLIB and SYS1.MACLIB. I have asked the Goo Gal.

Source language, in order of descending preference, would be C header, 
Assembler DSECT, or anything else.

Thanks!

Charles

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