Re: Not getting IBM-MAIN Email

[Phil Smith III]

More: One of the folks who was having problems writes:
>I gave up on using my pacbell.net email...I switched my Assembler list
>and IBM MAIN list to my .gmail email address and all is well.

I looked, and pacbell.net has no SPF record. Remember, mine started flowing 
once I had enabled SPF, so...maybe? OTOH maybe it's just that whatever 
anti-spam service UA is using doesn't like big ISPs, which always have SOME 
spammers. Gmail is the exception because they do so much with SPF/DKIM/DMARC.

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Re: Not getting IBM-MAIN Email

[Phil Smith III]

I'm'a try to post this from my lists@ address, because I suspect it will work. 
Longish but (if you're reading it at all) it suggests some progress on the list 
email issue.

To recap, as of a couple of weeks ago:
- I was suddenly not able to post from lists@
- I was still getting the daily digest to lists@
- requests to lists...@listserv.ua.edu from lists@ got no response

This past Friday, my ISP (Cox) moved email to Yahoo. Still used the same 
addresses @cox.net, but with new server names etc., and requiring a 
quasi-enrollment process. That process went OK but I was unable to get Outlook 
to POP mail; webmail worked fine. Cox's typically useless "support" spent 25 
minutes playing 20 questions (name/account number/PIN/etc.) then had forgotten 
the problem. Eventually we got to "You have to contact Yahoo support". Only 
Yahoo has no support except if you pay.

That was the final straw. My mailboxes were at Cox but almost all email (except 
my wife's personal email) was being forwarded to an @akphs.com address anyway. 
I'd been dithering but now it was time, so I moved my mailboxes to my domain 
provider (EasyDNS, btw--good folks). That was a certain amount of hassle, but 
it's done and now email arrives faster, since it's not having to fight its way 
through Cox's outsourced anti-spam, never mind whatever Yahoo does. AND I now 
have DKIM/DMARC set up for the domain: EasyDNS did that for me automatically 
once I moved the mailboxes.

And best of all, requests to lists...@listserv.ua.edu from lists@ are now 
working!

If this post appears, I submit that it strongly supports the previous theory 
that something in the ua.edu infrastructure got pickier about DKIM and that's 
what's been causing the hassles; my added DKIM-ness thus fixed it for me.

Now...what does this mean for others who are having trouble? Well, it would 
mean that your email provider is falling below the threshold of acceptability 
for whatever the heightened DKIM awareness requires. Not sure what you can do 
about that. You might tinker, sending notes to yourself at some other address 
and looking at the headers (also feel free to email me here and I can do the 
same), see if there's anything in the DKIM-added headers that looks 
interesting, but I'm not sure what that would be. I have not grokked DKIM/DMARC 
in detail because I haven't had to (and perhaps now I also don't, heh).

...phsiii

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Re: Not getting IBM-MAIN Email

[David Mingee]

Stopped again. No emails here after the 10th April.  This is weird stuff.  
Anyone know what is going on?

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
David Mingee
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2024 11:09 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Not getting IBM-MAIN Email

Hello All,  I magically started getting email from IBM-MAIN on Monday Apr 8.
Thanks to all who offered help.

-Original Message-
From: Rick Troth 
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2024 9:04 AM
To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
Cc: David Mingee 
Subject: Re: Not getting IBM-MAIN Email

Hi David --

Others have had trouble too lately.

IBM-MAIN is hosted by the University of Alabama, so I wonder if "US" 
versus "UA" is a typo?

Some of us have speculated that the university, or one of their service 
providers, recently tightened-up email requirements.
Across the industry, blacklisting and other spam-preventions, have tipped the 
scale and now are blocking a significant portion of legitimate email.
Personally, I don't have a solution, but am trying to gather critical mass to 
address it, so I'll contact you off-list. Everyone's situation is different, 
and in this case the note is coming from a Google property. But I cannot send 
(to most recipients) from my home address, even with SPF and DKIM in place.

-- R; <><



On 4/8/24 14:25, David Mingee wrote:
> Hello All, I stopped getting IBM-MAIN emails on 3/20/2024.  I tried 
> subscribing with:
> SUBSCRIBE IBM-MAIN David Mingee  sent to LISTSERV.US.EDU And
> INFO IBM-MAIN   to LISTSERV.US.EDU
>
> No success.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
>
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Re: Not getting IBM-MAIN Email

[Phil Smith III]

Digest showing up is of course a positive step, but not the answer. I've always 
gotten the digests on my lists@akphs address, just (starting recently) couldn't 
post. Now you seem to be able to do both, but can't get a QUERY IBM-MAIN 
response.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Paul Schuster
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2024 12:59 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Not getting IBM-MAIN Email

My digest also automagically showed up today.  Hopefully issue is resolved.

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Re: Not getting IBM-MAIN Email

[Lennie Bradshaw]

Hope is not a strategy .
Lennie

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Paul Schuster
Sent: 10 April 2024 17:59
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Not getting IBM-MAIN Email

My digest also automagically showed up today.  Hopefully issue is resolved.

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Re: Not getting IBM-MAIN Email

[Paul Schuster]

My digest also automagically showed up today.  Hopefully issue is resolved.

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Re: Not getting IBM-MAIN Email

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 23:08:54 -0400, David Mingee wrote:

>Hello All,  I magically started getting email from IBM-MAIN on Monday Apr 8.
>Thanks to all who offered help.
>
I have found the following informative:


Does LISTSERV periodically test with something such as that?

-- 
gil

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Re: Not getting IBM-MAIN Email

[David Mingee]

Hello All,  I magically started getting email from IBM-MAIN on Monday Apr 8.
Thanks to all who offered help.

-Original Message-
From: Rick Troth  
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2024 9:04 AM
To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
Cc: David Mingee 
Subject: Re: Not getting IBM-MAIN Email

Hi David --

Others have had trouble too lately.

IBM-MAIN is hosted by the University of Alabama, so I wonder if "US" 
versus "UA" is a typo?

Some of us have speculated that the university, or one of their service 
providers, recently tightened-up email requirements.
Across the industry, blacklisting and other spam-preventions, have tipped the 
scale and now are blocking a significant portion of legitimate email.
Personally, I don't have a solution, but am trying to gather critical mass to 
address it, so I'll contact you off-list. Everyone's situation is different, 
and in this case the note is coming from a Google property. But I cannot send 
(to most recipients) from my home address, even with SPF and DKIM in place.

-- R; <><



On 4/8/24 14:25, David Mingee wrote:
> Hello All, I stopped getting IBM-MAIN emails on 3/20/2024.  I tried 
> subscribing with:
> SUBSCRIBE IBM-MAIN David Mingee  sent to LISTSERV.US.EDU And
> INFO IBM-MAIN   to LISTSERV.US.EDU
>
> No success.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
>
> --
> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send 
> email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
>
> --
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> email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

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Re: Not getting IBM-MAIN Email

[Rick Troth]

Hi David --

Others have had trouble too lately.

IBM-MAIN is hosted by the University of Alabama, so I wonder if "US" 
versus "UA" is a typo?


Some of us have speculated that the university, or one of their service 
providers, recently tightened-up email requirements.
Across the industry, blacklisting and other spam-preventions, have 
tipped the scale and now are blocking a significant portion of 
legitimate email.
Personally, I don't have a solution, but am trying to gather critical 
mass to address it, so I'll contact you off-list. Everyone's situation 
is different, and in this case the note is coming from a Google 
property. But I cannot send (to most recipients) from my home address, 
even with SPF and DKIM in place.


-- R; <><



On 4/8/24 14:25, David Mingee wrote:

Hello All, I stopped getting IBM-MAIN emails on 3/20/2024.  I tried subscribing 
with:
SUBSCRIBE IBM-MAIN David Mingee  sent to LISTSERV.US.EDU
And
INFO IBM-MAIN   to LISTSERV.US.EDU

No success.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.




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Not getting IBM-MAIN Email

[David Mingee]

Hello All, I stopped getting IBM-MAIN emails on 3/20/2024.  I tried subscribing 
with:
SUBSCRIBE IBM-MAIN David Mingee  sent to LISTSERV.US.EDU
And
INFO IBM-MAIN   to LISTSERV.US.EDU

No success.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.




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