Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?
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Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?
Yeah - times have changed ... I remember back then when folks said I had a hot baud too ... :( Chris Hoelscher Technology Architect, Database Infrastructure Services Technology Solution Services : humana.com 123 East Main Street Louisville, KY 40202 Humana.com (502) 714-8615, (502) 476-2538 > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Linda > Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 2:31 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - > What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny? > > Hi Chris, > > No call waiting. My Apple had its own phone. I spent lots of time logged in > to > the Univac at school coding and reading listings, first at 110 baud, later at > 300 > baud. > > Linda > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 6, 2016, at 7:49 AM, Chris Hoelscher> wrote: > > > > Linda - did you have call waiting? If you forgot to disable it before > > "hooking up" that little click/beep indicator of an incoming call > > would throw me offline (Apple ][+) > > > > Chris Hoelscher > > Technology Architect, Database Infrastructure Services Technology > > Solution Services > > : humana.com > > 123 East Main Street > > Louisville, KY 40202 > > Humana.com > > (502) 714-8615, (502) 476-2538 > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM- > m...@listserv.ua.edu] > >> On Behalf Of Linda > >> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2016 12:53 AM > >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > >> Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM > >> Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny? > >> > >> I had an Apple ][ with an acoustic coupler. It auto dialed over a > >> regular telco dial tone line using a program loaded from a cassette > >> player, or if one could afford it, from an early floppy drive. The > >> college I went to had a Univac 90/70d. The were 4 student dialup > >> numbers. I could get into one of those much like the scene from War > Games. It was fun. > >> > >> Linda > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > On Feb 5, 2016, at 11:19 AM, John McKown > >>> wrote: > >>> > On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Lester, Bob > >> wrote: > > Hi John, > > Commodore 64 anyone? :-) > > Do you know what OS it ran? > >>> > >>> Some variant of Microsoft BASIC, in ROM. > >>> > >>> > >>> > > Was the HW an x86? Motorola? Apple? > >>> > >>> Motorola 8 bit 6510 CPU. > >>> > >>> Apple ][ was the 6502(?). And don't forget the Atari 800 (and lesser > >>> 400), which was 6502 based. Or, the one that I had: Tandy / Radio > >>> Shack's TRS-80 (affectionately known as the "trash-80") which was > >>> Zilog Z-80 (superset of Intel 8080) based. Oh, and the grandfather > >>> of them all (immortalized in "War Games" - how did they get an > >>> acoustic coupled modem to autodial?) was the Imsai 8080. Not to > >>> mention many other CP/M-80 machines, such as Comemco and Altair > >>> 8800. These latter two had the "feature" of being able to toggle > >>> individual bytes into memory via switches on the box. Damn, I'm old. > >>> > >>> > >>> > > I had a buddy (years ago, of course), that did strange and > wonderful (at the time) things with several of them connected > together. No cases, wires everywhere, but pretty cool anyhow for > the > >> time. > > TGIF, else I'd be in trouble. :-) > > BobL > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Werner Heisenberg is driving down the autobahn. A police officer > >>> pulls him over. The officer says, "Excuse me, sir, do you know how > >>> fast you were going?" > >>> "No," replies Dr. Heisenberg, "but I know where I am." > >>> > >>> Computer Science is the only discipline in which we view adding a > >>> new wing to a building as being maintenance -- Jim Horning > >>> > >>> Schrodinger's backup: The condition of any backup is unknown until a > >>> restore is attempted. > >>> > >>> He's about as useful as a wax frying pan. > >>> > >>> Maranatha! <>< > >>> John McKown > >>> > >>> > >>> -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > >>> IBM-MAIN > >> > >> - > >> - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > >> IBM-MAIN > > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity > > to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If > > you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender > and delete or destroy the material/information. > > > > > >
Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?
On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 18:57:17 -0500, Gregg wrote: >Did it require a Hayes (compatible) MODEM? It isn't a modem command, but a command to the telephone company. Something like dialing *70 before dialing the number. -- Tom Marchant >On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Ed Gouldwrote: > >> Yes/NO >> There was a command that at dial time would stop call waiting, its been >> years (sorry). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?
Did it require a Hayes (compatible) MODEM? On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Ed Gouldwrote: > Yes/NO > There was a command that at dial time would stop call waiting, its been > years (sorry). > > Ed > > > On Feb 6, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Chris Hoelscher wrote: > > Linda - did you have call waiting? If you forgot to disable it before >> "hooking up" that little click/beep indicator of an incoming call would >> throw me offline (Apple ][+) >> >> Chris Hoelscher >> Technology Architect, Database Infrastructure Services >> Technology Solution Services >> : humana.com >> 123 East Main Street >> Louisville, KY 40202 >> Humana.com >> (502) 714-8615, (502) 476-2538 >> >> >> -Original Message- >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] >>> On Behalf Of Linda >>> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2016 12:53 AM >>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>> Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z >>> - >>> What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny? >>> >>> I had an Apple ][ with an acoustic coupler. It auto dialed over a >>> regular telco >>> dial tone line using a program loaded from a cassette player, or if one >>> could >>> afford it, from an early floppy drive. The college I went to had a Univac >>> 90/70d. The were 4 student dialup numbers. I could get into one of those >>> much like the scene from War Games. It was fun. >>> >>> Linda >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Feb 5, 2016, at 11:19 AM, John McKown >>> wrote: >>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Lester, Bob > wrote: >>> > Hi John, > > Commodore 64 anyone? :-) > > Do you know what OS it ran? > Some variant of Microsoft BASIC, in ROM. > Was the HW an x86? Motorola? Apple? > Motorola 8 bit 6510 CPU. Apple ][ was the 6502(?). And don't forget the Atari 800 (and lesser 400), which was 6502 based. Or, the one that I had: Tandy / Radio Shack's TRS-80 (affectionately known as the "trash-80") which was Zilog Z-80 (superset of Intel 8080) based. Oh, and the grandfather of them all (immortalized in "War Games" - how did they get an acoustic coupled modem to autodial?) was the Imsai 8080. Not to mention many other CP/M-80 machines, such as Comemco and Altair 8800. These latter two had the "feature" of being able to toggle individual bytes into memory via switches on the box. Damn, I'm old. > I had a buddy (years ago, of course), that did strange and > wonderful (at the time) things with several of them connected > together. No cases, wires everywhere, but pretty cool anyhow for the > time. >>> > TGIF, else I'd be in trouble. :-) > > BobL > -- Werner Heisenberg is driving down the autobahn. A police officer pulls him over. The officer says, "Excuse me, sir, do you know how fast you were going?" "No," replies Dr. Heisenberg, "but I know where I am." Computer Science is the only discipline in which we view adding a new wing to a building as being maintenance -- Jim Horning Schrodinger's backup: The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted. He's about as useful as a wax frying pan. Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>> >>> -- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >>> email to >>> lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>> >> >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >> which it is addressed >> and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this >> material/information in error, >> please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. >> >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Gregg Reed "No Plan, survives execution" -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?
Linda - did you have call waiting? If you forgot to disable it before "hooking up" that little click/beep indicator of an incoming call would throw me offline (Apple ][+) Chris Hoelscher Technology Architect, Database Infrastructure Services Technology Solution Services : humana.com 123 East Main Street Louisville, KY 40202 Humana.com (502) 714-8615, (502) 476-2538 > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Linda > Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2016 12:53 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - > What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny? > > I had an Apple ][ with an acoustic coupler. It auto dialed over a regular > telco > dial tone line using a program loaded from a cassette player, or if one could > afford it, from an early floppy drive. The college I went to had a Univac > 90/70d. The were 4 student dialup numbers. I could get into one of those > much like the scene from War Games. It was fun. > > Linda > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 5, 2016, at 11:19 AM, John McKown >wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Lester, Bob > wrote: > >> > >> Hi John, > >> > >> Commodore 64 anyone? :-) > >> > >> Do you know what OS it ran? > > > > Some variant of Microsoft BASIC, in ROM. > > > > > > > >> > >> Was the HW an x86? Motorola? Apple? > > > > Motorola 8 bit 6510 CPU. > > > > Apple ][ was the 6502(?). And don't forget the Atari 800 (and lesser > > 400), which was 6502 based. Or, the one that I had: Tandy / Radio > > Shack's TRS-80 (affectionately known as the "trash-80") which was > > Zilog Z-80 (superset of Intel 8080) based. Oh, and the grandfather of > > them all (immortalized in "War Games" - how did they get an acoustic > > coupled modem to autodial?) was the Imsai 8080. Not to mention > > many other CP/M-80 machines, such as Comemco and Altair 8800. These > > latter two had the "feature" of being able to toggle individual bytes > > into memory via switches on the box. Damn, I'm old. > > > > > > > >> > >> I had a buddy (years ago, of course), that did strange and > >> wonderful (at the time) things with several of them connected > >> together. No cases, wires everywhere, but pretty cool anyhow for the > time. > >> > >> TGIF, else I'd be in trouble. :-) > >> > >> BobL > > > > -- > > Werner Heisenberg is driving down the autobahn. A police officer pulls > > him over. The officer says, "Excuse me, sir, do you know how fast you > > were going?" > > "No," replies Dr. Heisenberg, "but I know where I am." > > > > Computer Science is the only discipline in which we view adding a new > > wing to a building as being maintenance -- Jim Horning > > > > Schrodinger's backup: The condition of any backup is unknown until a > > restore is attempted. > > > > He's about as useful as a wax frying pan. > > > > Maranatha! <>< > > John McKown > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?
On 2016-02-06, at 08:49, Chris Hoelscher wrote: > Linda - did you have call waiting? If you forgot to disable it before > "hooking up" that little click/beep indicator of an incoming call would throw > me offline (Apple ][+) > Similarly irritating, later I had a modem (RJ11, not acoustical) that would auto-redial on busy signal. Then U.S. West did me the favor of intercepting the busy and replacing it with a voice message offering for $0.95 to keep redialing and call me back when it answered. To their credit, they disabled the behavior when I complained to them. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?
Yes/NO There was a command that at dial time would stop call waiting, its been years (sorry). Ed On Feb 6, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Chris Hoelscher wrote: Linda - did you have call waiting? If you forgot to disable it before "hooking up" that little click/beep indicator of an incoming call would throw me offline (Apple ][+) Chris Hoelscher Technology Architect, Database Infrastructure Services Technology Solution Services : humana.com 123 East Main Street Louisville, KY 40202 Humana.com (502) 714-8615, (502) 476-2538 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Linda Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2016 12:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny? I had an Apple ][ with an acoustic coupler. It auto dialed over a regular telco dial tone line using a program loaded from a cassette player, or if one could afford it, from an early floppy drive. The college I went to had a Univac 90/70d. The were 4 student dialup numbers. I could get into one of those much like the scene from War Games. It was fun. Linda Sent from my iPhone On Feb 5, 2016, at 11:19 AM, John McKownwrote: On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Lester, Bob wrote: Hi John, Commodore 64 anyone? :-) Do you know what OS it ran? Some variant of Microsoft BASIC, in ROM. Was the HW an x86? Motorola? Apple? Motorola 8 bit 6510 CPU. Apple ][ was the 6502(?). And don't forget the Atari 800 (and lesser 400), which was 6502 based. Or, the one that I had: Tandy / Radio Shack's TRS-80 (affectionately known as the "trash-80") which was Zilog Z-80 (superset of Intel 8080) based. Oh, and the grandfather of them all (immortalized in "War Games" - how did they get an acoustic coupled modem to autodial?) was the Imsai 8080. Not to mention many other CP/M-80 machines, such as Comemco and Altair 8800. These latter two had the "feature" of being able to toggle individual bytes into memory via switches on the box. Damn, I'm old. I had a buddy (years ago, of course), that did strange and wonderful (at the time) things with several of them connected together. No cases, wires everywhere, but pretty cool anyhow for the time. TGIF, else I'd be in trouble. :-) BobL -- Werner Heisenberg is driving down the autobahn. A police officer pulls him over. The officer says, "Excuse me, sir, do you know how fast you were going?" "No," replies Dr. Heisenberg, "but I know where I am." Computer Science is the only discipline in which we view adding a new wing to a building as being maintenance -- Jim Horning Schrodinger's backup: The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted. He's about as useful as a wax frying pan. Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/ information. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?
Hi Chris, No call waiting. My Apple had its own phone. I spent lots of time logged in to the Univac at school coding and reading listings, first at 110 baud, later at 300 baud. Linda Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 6, 2016, at 7:49 AM, Chris Hoelscherwrote: > > Linda - did you have call waiting? If you forgot to disable it before > "hooking up" that little click/beep indicator of an incoming call would throw > me offline (Apple ][+) > > Chris Hoelscher > Technology Architect, Database Infrastructure Services > Technology Solution Services > : humana.com > 123 East Main Street > Louisville, KY 40202 > Humana.com > (502) 714-8615, (502) 476-2538 > > >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] >> On Behalf Of Linda >> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2016 12:53 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - >> What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny? >> >> I had an Apple ][ with an acoustic coupler. It auto dialed over a regular >> telco >> dial tone line using a program loaded from a cassette player, or if one could >> afford it, from an early floppy drive. The college I went to had a Univac >> 90/70d. The were 4 student dialup numbers. I could get into one of those >> much like the scene from War Games. It was fun. >> >> Linda >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Feb 5, 2016, at 11:19 AM, John McKown >>> wrote: >>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Lester, Bob >> wrote: Hi John, Commodore 64 anyone? :-) Do you know what OS it ran? >>> >>> Some variant of Microsoft BASIC, in ROM. >>> >>> >>> Was the HW an x86? Motorola? Apple? >>> >>> Motorola 8 bit 6510 CPU. >>> >>> Apple ][ was the 6502(?). And don't forget the Atari 800 (and lesser >>> 400), which was 6502 based. Or, the one that I had: Tandy / Radio >>> Shack's TRS-80 (affectionately known as the "trash-80") which was >>> Zilog Z-80 (superset of Intel 8080) based. Oh, and the grandfather of >>> them all (immortalized in "War Games" - how did they get an acoustic >>> coupled modem to autodial?) was the Imsai 8080. Not to mention >>> many other CP/M-80 machines, such as Comemco and Altair 8800. These >>> latter two had the "feature" of being able to toggle individual bytes >>> into memory via switches on the box. Damn, I'm old. >>> >>> >>> I had a buddy (years ago, of course), that did strange and wonderful (at the time) things with several of them connected together. No cases, wires everywhere, but pretty cool anyhow for the >> time. TGIF, else I'd be in trouble. :-) BobL >>> >>> -- >>> Werner Heisenberg is driving down the autobahn. A police officer pulls >>> him over. The officer says, "Excuse me, sir, do you know how fast you >>> were going?" >>> "No," replies Dr. Heisenberg, "but I know where I am." >>> >>> Computer Science is the only discipline in which we view adding a new >>> wing to a building as being maintenance -- Jim Horning >>> >>> Schrodinger's backup: The condition of any backup is unknown until a >>> restore is attempted. >>> >>> He's about as useful as a wax frying pan. >>> >>> Maranatha! <>< >>> John McKown >>> >>> -- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >>> email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to >> lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed > and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this > material/information in error, > please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?
On Feb 6, 2016, at 5:57 PM, Gregg wrote: Did it require a Hayes (compatible) MODEM? Sorry that is before my time:) Ed On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Ed Gouldwrote: Yes/NO There was a command that at dial time would stop call waiting, its been years (sorry). Ed On Feb 6, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Chris Hoelscher wrote: Linda - did you have call waiting? If you forgot to disable it before "hooking up" that little click/beep indicator of an incoming call would throw me offline (Apple ][+) Chris Hoelscher Technology Architect, Database Infrastructure Services Technology Solution Services : humana.com 123 East Main Street Louisville, KY 40202 Humana.com (502) 714-8615, (502) 476-2538 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM- m...@listserv.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2016 12:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny? I had an Apple ][ with an acoustic coupler. It auto dialed over a regular telco dial tone line using a program loaded from a cassette player, or if one could afford it, from an early floppy drive. The college I went to had a Univac 90/70d. The were 4 student dialup numbers. I could get into one of those much like the scene from War Games. It was fun. Linda Sent from my iPhone On Feb 5, 2016, at 11:19 AM, John McKown wrote: On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Lester, Bob wrote: Hi John, Commodore 64 anyone? :-) Do you know what OS it ran? Some variant of Microsoft BASIC, in ROM. Was the HW an x86? Motorola? Apple? Motorola 8 bit 6510 CPU. Apple ][ was the 6502(?). And don't forget the Atari 800 (and lesser 400), which was 6502 based. Or, the one that I had: Tandy / Radio Shack's TRS-80 (affectionately known as the "trash-80") which was Zilog Z-80 (superset of Intel 8080) based. Oh, and the grandfather of them all (immortalized in "War Games" - how did they get an acoustic coupled modem to autodial?) was the Imsai 8080. Not to mention many other CP/M-80 machines, such as Comemco and Altair 8800. These latter two had the "feature" of being able to toggle individual bytes into memory via switches on the box. Damn, I'm old. I had a buddy (years ago, of course), that did strange and wonderful (at the time) things with several of them connected together. No cases, wires everywhere, but pretty cool anyhow for the time. TGIF, else I'd be in trouble. :-) BobL -- Werner Heisenberg is driving down the autobahn. A police officer pulls him over. The officer says, "Excuse me, sir, do you know how fast you were going?" "No," replies Dr. Heisenberg, "but I know where I am." Computer Science is the only discipline in which we view adding a new wing to a building as being maintenance -- Jim Horning Schrodinger's backup: The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted. He's about as useful as a wax frying pan. Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN --- --- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/ information. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM- MAIN - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM- MAIN -- Gregg Reed "No Plan, survives execution" -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?
linda.lst...@comcast.net (Linda) writes: > I had an Apple ][ with an acoustic coupler. It auto dialed over a > regular telco dial tone line using a program loaded from a cassette > player, or if one could afford it, from an early floppy drive. The > college I went to had a Univac 90/70d. The were 4 student dialup > numbers. I could get into one of those much like the scene from War > Games. It was fun. TYMSHARE made their CMS-based online computer conferencing available free to SHARE as VMSHARE starting in Aug1976 ... archives: http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare In the 70s, I started trying to get IBM to let me put all the VMSHARE files up on internal systems ... including the world-wide sales support HONE system. One of the biggest battles I had with IBM was the lawyers were afraid that customer information would contaminate IBM employees. My brother was Apple regional marketing rep at the time (largest physical region in CONUS) and I started trying to get him to setup up an apple that would do terminal emulation for copying all the files down from TYMSHARE ... he never quite got around to doing it ... although over the years ... when he would come into town for business meetings I would get invited to dinners ... and even got to argue with the MAC developers about design (before MAC was announced). I eventually had to resort to getting montly tapes mailed from TYMSHARE ... that dumped all VMSHARE files (later added all PCSHARE files). misc. old email http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#vmshare -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Lester, Bobwrote: > Hi John, > > Commodore 64 anyone? :-) > > Do you know what OS it ran? > Some variant of Microsoft BASIC, in ROM. > > Was the HW an x86? Motorola? Apple? > Motorola 8 bit 6510 CPU. Apple ][ was the 6502(?). And don't forget the Atari 800 (and lesser 400), which was 6502 based. Or, the one that I had: Tandy / Radio Shack's TRS-80 (affectionately known as the "trash-80") which was Zilog Z-80 (superset of Intel 8080) based. Oh, and the grandfather of them all (immortalized in "War Games" - how did they get an acoustic coupled modem to autodial?) was the Imsai 8080. Not to mention many other CP/M-80 machines, such as Comemco and Altair 8800. These latter two had the "feature" of being able to toggle individual bytes into memory via switches on the box. Damn, I'm old. > > I had a buddy (years ago, of course), that did strange and wonderful > (at the time) things with several of them connected together. No cases, > wires everywhere, but pretty cool anyhow for the time. > > TGIF, else I'd be in trouble. :-) > > BobL > > -- Werner Heisenberg is driving down the autobahn. A police officer pulls him over. The officer says, "Excuse me, sir, do you know how fast you were going?" "No," replies Dr. Heisenberg, "but I know where I am." Computer Science is the only discipline in which we view adding a new wing to a building as being maintenance -- Jim Horning Schrodinger's backup: The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted. He's about as useful as a wax frying pan. Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 19:02:30 +, Lester, Bob wrote: >Commodore 64 anyone? :-) >Do you know what OS it ran? >Was the HW an x86? Motorola? Apple? No. No, and no. The C-64 used an MOS Technology 6510. It was essentially the same processor as the 6502 used in the Apple II and Atari 400 and 800, with the addition of onboard I/O ports. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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bles...@ofiglobal.com (Lester, Bob) writes: > Yeah. Worst mistake Gary Kindall ever made. Just think, if he'd hadn't > "blown off" IBM, I'd be cursing his memory (he's deceased) instead of > Bill Gates. Or maybe not, I ran CP/M-80 back in the day. I really > enjoyed it. But, then, I enjoyed everything more back then. > everything was bright, shiny, and new before ms/dos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-DOS there was seattle computer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Computer_Products before seattle computer there was cp/m, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/M before cp/m, kildall worked with cp67/cms (precursor to vm370) at npg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Postgraduate_School other trivia ... after 64, commodore did amiga ... which ran ARexx https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARexx ARexx is an implementation of the REXX language for the Amiga, written in 1987 by William S. Hawes, with a number of Amiga-specific features beyond standard REXX facilities. Like most REXX implementations, ARexx is an interpreted language. Programs written for ARexx are called "scripts", or "macros"; several programs offer the ability to run ARexx scripts in their main interface as macros. ... snip ... more trivia ... acorn group in Boca kept claiming that they wouldn't going to do any software and an IBM group was formed in silicon valley to write software for acorn. Then at some point the Boca group changed their mind and wanted responsibility for all software ... if necessary contracting with outside groups (some viewed as eliminating internal competition). some past mentioning acorn http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002g.html#79 Coulda, Woulda, Shoudda moments? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003d.html#19 PC history, was PDP10 and RISC http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005q.html#24 What ever happened to Tandem and NonStop OS ? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005r.html#8 Intel strikes back with a parallel x86 design http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#29 "The Elements of Programming Style" http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007e.html#5 Is computer history taugh now? reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Personal_Computer#Project_Chess -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Lester, Bob wrote: > Commodore 64 anyone? :-) I owned one then - with speed of 1.0?? MHz. Played games, learned myself Assembler, prolog, basic (slow and yucky!), logo (?spelling? that turtle thing language - actually a vector based drawing program). There were a lots of new things+terms like sprites, garbage collection, game cartridges, etc. And I remember the weird data handling by magnetic tapes - you could overcome that weirdo design and more than double up your tape reading/writing times by using a much published + free TURBO software. For more info - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_64 > Do you know what OS it ran? Own kernel owned by Commodore and Commodore BASIC. You need to use Poke/Peek to disable Basic and then go have fun with Assembler. I am still sorry that when I sold my C64, I also sold that 300+ pages book which gives a detailed line by line overview of that kernel and basic interpreter. > Was the HW an x86? Motorola? Apple? 8 bit MOS Technology 6510 with 64KB memory - Loosely based on Motorola AFAIK. I'm not sure what the motherboard was and what chips were on that beside a VIC graphics and SID soundchip. Sound chip was a SID chip invented by an engineer who is also a musician. It was a sound synthesizer with 4 'waves' enveloped in Attack/Decay/Sustain/Release. It was then at that time the only home computer capable playing organ music with all its vibrato + drum effects. ;-) Game, Sinbad the Sailor, was one of the first games which has a speech synthetics used for in-game dialogs by those characters. You can download a C64 emulator to use on your windoze PC. That worked like a charm which I used to replay Manic Miner! (a version of JetSet Willy type game) > I had a buddy (years ago, of course), that did strange and wonderful (at > the time) things with several of them connected together. No cases, wires > everywhere, but pretty cool anyhow for the time. Connected? How? I only know analog modems and bbs you used for that. > TGIF, else I'd be in trouble. :-) You will never get in trouble and not get any flames! ;-D Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 13:19:25 -0600, John McKown wrote: >the grandfather of them all ... >was the Imsai 8080. Not to mention many other CP/M-80 machines, such as >Comemco and Altair 8800. ITYM Cromemco. The IMSAI was a clone of the Altair. If you want to think of one as the "Grandfather", it would be the Altair. Or what about the Mark-8? Based upon an Intel 8008, the design was published in Radio Electronics. I knew someone who built one. That would have been about 42 years ago. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I had an Apple ][ with an acoustic coupler. It auto dialed over a regular telco dial tone line using a program loaded from a cassette player, or if one could afford it, from an early floppy drive. The college I went to had a Univac 90/70d. The were 4 student dialup numbers. I could get into one of those much like the scene from War Games. It was fun. Linda Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 5, 2016, at 11:19 AM, John McKownwrote: > >> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Lester, Bob wrote: >> >> Hi John, >> >> Commodore 64 anyone? :-) >> >> Do you know what OS it ran? > > Some variant of Microsoft BASIC, in ROM. > > > >> >> Was the HW an x86? Motorola? Apple? > > Motorola 8 bit 6510 CPU. > > Apple ][ was the 6502(?). And don't forget the Atari 800 (and lesser 400), > which was 6502 based. Or, the one that I had: Tandy / Radio Shack's TRS-80 > (affectionately known as the "trash-80") which was Zilog Z-80 (superset of > Intel 8080) based. Oh, and the grandfather of them all (immortalized in > "War Games" - how did they get an acoustic coupled modem to autodial?) > was the Imsai 8080. Not to mention many other CP/M-80 machines, such as > Comemco and Altair 8800. These latter two had the "feature" of being able > to toggle individual bytes into memory via switches on the box. Damn, I'm > old. > > > >> >> I had a buddy (years ago, of course), that did strange and wonderful >> (at the time) things with several of them connected together. No cases, >> wires everywhere, but pretty cool anyhow for the time. >> >> TGIF, else I'd be in trouble. :-) >> >> BobL > > -- > Werner Heisenberg is driving down the autobahn. A police officer pulls > him over. The officer says, "Excuse me, sir, do you know how fast you > were going?" > "No," replies Dr. Heisenberg, "but I know where I am." > > Computer Science is the only discipline in which we view adding a new wing > to a building as being maintenance -- Jim Horning > > Schrodinger's backup: The condition of any backup is unknown until a > restore is attempted. > > He's about as useful as a wax frying pan. > > Maranatha! <>< > John McKown > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 14:00:29 -0600, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: >8 bit MOS Technology 6510 with 64KB memory - Loosely based on Motorola AFAIK. Depends on what you mean by "based on". The 6502 was designed by some of the same people who designed the 6800 at Motorola, but it was a rather different design. The 6501 and 6502 were designed concurrently. The 6501 was pin-compatible with the 6800 and, like the 6800, required a two-phase clock input. The idea was that the 6501 could be plugged into an existing circuit board designed for the 6800. The instruction set and the internal architecture were different, though, so they couldn't run the same software. The 6502 has an on-chip two-phase clock generator, simplifying system design. The 6501 and 6502 were also quite inexpensive, compared to other processors of the time. The price for the 6502 was $25 for one. MOS Technology produced the KIM-1 (Keyboard Input Monitor) evaluation board for the 6502. It included a 6 digit,7-segment LED display, and a hex keypad, as well as a teletype interface and an audio cassette interface for storing and retrieving data. It had 2K of ROM with code to operate all of that, and 1K + 128 bytes of RAM. I bought mine in the spring of 1976, just a couple of months before the announcement of the Apple-1. I expanded the KIM-1 with an additional 24K of memory, as well as a video interface. I also bought an early Shugart Technology 5MB 5 1/4 inch hard drive for it. That was before Shugart Associates sued Al Shugart over the use of his name, and Shugart Technology changed their name to Seagate. When I bought my second computer, an Atari 800, I was working on a dual port memory card for it so that the KIM-1 could access the hard drive and the drive could access memory directly without slowing down the processor. The Atari was intended as my travel machine. I worked for Amdahl at the time and was on the road all the time. I packed the Atari in some cheap luggage and took it with me as checked baggage on hundreds of flights. No doubt it suffered a lot of abuse, but it never failed. What does this have to do with mainframes? Nothing. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN