Re: OT-ish: Very old IBM hardware & manuals available

[Seymour J Metz]

If the 650 stuff includes either the negative index register instructions (they 
plus table lookup equal were an RPQ), please scan them for bitsavers. The same 
goes for any 704 or 709 manuals you have.

Even better if there's somebody willing to scan and OCR the lot.

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Robert Prins 
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 10:57 AM
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Subject: OT-ish: Very old IBM hardware & manuals available

Hi all,

My father worked for IBM in the Netherlands for more than 30 years,
starting as a CE in the late 1950'ies. Last year he was diagnosed with
Alzheimer, and over the past few months my siblings and me have been
emptying his apartment and storage room, and we've come across a sizeable
quantity of IBM "stuff", from manuals for the 650 to old square cm
"integrated circuits" and even a magnetic core memory card. My siblings
weren't in the least interested in any of it, so I took it, and although
it's nice to look at, our house is already full enough as it is, so...

If anyone thinks they can offer a good home to these things, and I will,
hopefully soon, put pictures of everything that surfaces on my website,
feel free to contact me off this list and we can take it from there. You'll
most definitely be paying for shipping (from Lithuania), and based on what
I'm going to find out on fleabay, I might ask for a bit more.

Robert
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Re: OT-ish: Very old IBM hardware & manuals available

[Dave McGuire]

On 1/23/24 10:57, Robert Prins wrote:

My father worked for IBM in the Netherlands for more than 30 years,
starting as a CE in the late 1950'ies. Last year he was diagnosed with
Alzheimer, and over the past few months my siblings and me have been
emptying his apartment and storage room, and we've come across a sizeable
quantity of IBM "stuff", from manuals for the 650 to old square cm
"integrated circuits" and even a magnetic core memory card. My siblings
weren't in the least interested in any of it, so I took it, and although
it's nice to look at, our house is already full enough as it is, so...

If anyone thinks they can offer a good home to these things, and I will,
hopefully soon, put pictures of everything that surfaces on my website,
feel free to contact me off this list and we can take it from there. You'll
most definitely be paying for shipping (from Lithuania), and based on what
I'm going to find out on fleabay, I might ask for a bit more.


  We at LSSM (http://www.lssmuseum.org/) are interested, but only 
slightly so.  We focus on complete hardware rather than ephemera. (we 
get machines up and running)  We'll give this stuff a home, and scan the 
manuals and upload to Bitsavers, but only if no one else is interested.


-Dave

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Re: OT-ish: Very old IBM hardware & manuals available

[Seymour J Metz]

Was the a drum-based CPC before the 305?

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Leonard D Woren 
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 1:56 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: OT-ish: Very old IBM hardware & manuals available

I'm pretty sure that the thing I saw was significantly older than
650.  The bits were so big that they were using an oscilloscope to see
them.  I don't recall if they said what machine that drum connected
to.  I had gone there for some big deal event and it was very crowded.

Anyway, it's worth checking with CHM for interest in any old but
historically significant hardware.

/Leonard

Seymour J Metz wrote on 1/25/2024 5:55 AM:
> I started on a 650, and that had a 2,000 word drum. The 305, before my time, 
> had a 2400 character drum. I'm not aware of any IBM drum smaller than that.
>
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> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Leonard D Woren 
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 12:37 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: OT-ish: Very old IBM hardware & manuals available
>
> Maybe contact the Computer History Museum https://computerhistory.org/
> .  They probably have the resources to ship anything they're
> interested in.
>
> Their collection includes IBM hardware that predates any of us having
> seen a digital computer.  It's been quite a while since I was there,
> but they were working on fixing up an IBM drum storage device which I
> think was the size of beer keg and held something like 550 bytes, no
> typo, or maybe it was a few kbytes.
>
> /Leonard
>
>
> Robert Prins wrote on 1/23/2024 7:57 AM:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My father worked for IBM in the Netherlands for more than 30 years,
>> starting as a CE in the late 1950'ies. Last year he was diagnosed with
>> Alzheimer, and over the past few months my siblings and me have been
>> emptying his apartment and storage room, and we've come across a sizeable
>> quantity of IBM "stuff", from manuals for the 650 to old square cm
>> "integrated circuits" and even a magnetic core memory card. My siblings
>> weren't in the least interested in any of it, so I took it, and although
>> it's nice to look at, our house is already full enough as it is, so...
>>
>> If anyone thinks they can offer a good home to these things, and I will,
>> hopefully soon, put pictures of everything that surfaces on my website,
>> feel free to contact me off this list and we can take it from there. You'll
>> most definitely be paying for shipping (from Lithuania), and based on what
>> I'm going to find out on fleabay, I might ask for a bit more.
>>
>> Robert
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Re: OT-ish: Very old IBM hardware & manuals available

[Leonard D Woren]

I'm pretty sure that the thing I saw was significantly older than 
650.  The bits were so big that they were using an oscilloscope to see 
them.  I don't recall if they said what machine that drum connected 
to.  I had gone there for some big deal event and it was very crowded.


Anyway, it's worth checking with CHM for interest in any old but 
historically significant hardware.


/Leonard

Seymour J Metz wrote on 1/25/2024 5:55 AM:

I started on a 650, and that had a 2,000 word drum. The 305, before my time, 
had a 2400 character drum. I'm not aware of any IBM drum smaller than that.

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Leonard D 
Woren 
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 12:37 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: OT-ish: Very old IBM hardware & manuals available

Maybe contact the Computer History Museum https://computerhistory.org/
.  They probably have the resources to ship anything they're
interested in.

Their collection includes IBM hardware that predates any of us having
seen a digital computer.  It's been quite a while since I was there,
but they were working on fixing up an IBM drum storage device which I
think was the size of beer keg and held something like 550 bytes, no
typo, or maybe it was a few kbytes.

/Leonard


Robert Prins wrote on 1/23/2024 7:57 AM:

Hi all,

My father worked for IBM in the Netherlands for more than 30 years,
starting as a CE in the late 1950'ies. Last year he was diagnosed with
Alzheimer, and over the past few months my siblings and me have been
emptying his apartment and storage room, and we've come across a sizeable
quantity of IBM "stuff", from manuals for the 650 to old square cm
"integrated circuits" and even a magnetic core memory card. My siblings
weren't in the least interested in any of it, so I took it, and although
it's nice to look at, our house is already full enough as it is, so...

If anyone thinks they can offer a good home to these things, and I will,
hopefully soon, put pictures of everything that surfaces on my website,
feel free to contact me off this list and we can take it from there. You'll
most definitely be paying for shipping (from Lithuania), and based on what
I'm going to find out on fleabay, I might ask for a bit more.

Robert


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Re: OT-ish: Very old IBM hardware & manuals available

[Tom Gardner]

Robert

Definitely you should contact the Computer History Museum; they are some what 
unique in that they collect old documents and software relating to computers in 
addition, of course, to hardware.  At one point they went to Germany, I think, 
to pick up and ship to the US a whole bunch of old gear.

Go to https://computerhistory.org/acquisitions/ for information on how to make 
a donation

It is best to make the offer online using their form at 
https://airtable.com/appPBw0VORVpnaJbZ/shrgwufDwr5wNVMal 
It really helps them if you can provide as much detail as possible on the 
"stuff," an item by item inventory if possible, and an estimate of the total 
size for shipping purposes.

Their process is the offer will be reviewed by their acquisitions committee and 
if some of your offer fits their missing needs they will accept all or some of 
your offer.
It does take them four weeks or so to get back to you - maybe sooner if really 
interested

Regards,

Tom




-Original Message-
From: Leonard D Woren  
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: OT-ish: Very old IBM hardware & manuals available

Maybe contact the Computer History Museum https://computerhistory.org/ .  They 
probably have the resources to ship anything they're interested in.

Their collection includes IBM hardware that predates any of us having seen a 
digital computer.  It's been quite a while since I was there, but they were 
working on fixing up an IBM drum storage device which I think was the size of 
beer keg and held something like 550 bytes, no typo, or maybe it was a few 
kbytes.

/Leonard


Robert Prins wrote on 1/23/2024 7:57 AM:
> Hi all,
>
> My father worked for IBM in the Netherlands for more than 30 years, 
> starting as a CE in the late 1950'ies. Last year he was diagnosed with 
> Alzheimer, and over the past few months my siblings and me have been 
> emptying his apartment and storage room, and we've come across a 
> sizeable quantity of IBM "stuff", from manuals for the 650 to old 
> square cm "integrated circuits" and even a magnetic core memory card. 
> My siblings weren't in the least interested in any of it, so I took 
> it, and although it's nice to look at, our house is already full enough as it 
> is, so...
>
> If anyone thinks they can offer a good home to these things, and I 
> will, hopefully soon, put pictures of everything that surfaces on my 
> website, feel free to contact me off this list and we can take it from 
> there. You'll most definitely be paying for shipping (from Lithuania), 
> and based on what I'm going to find out on fleabay, I might ask for a bit 
> more.
>
> Robert


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Re: OT-ish: Very old IBM hardware & manuals available

[Seymour J Metz]

I started on a 650, and that had a 2,000 word drum. The 305, before my time, 
had a 2400 character drum. I'm not aware of any IBM drum smaller than that.

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Leonard D Woren 
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 12:37 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: OT-ish: Very old IBM hardware & manuals available

Maybe contact the Computer History Museum https://computerhistory.org/
.  They probably have the resources to ship anything they're
interested in.

Their collection includes IBM hardware that predates any of us having
seen a digital computer.  It's been quite a while since I was there,
but they were working on fixing up an IBM drum storage device which I
think was the size of beer keg and held something like 550 bytes, no
typo, or maybe it was a few kbytes.

/Leonard


Robert Prins wrote on 1/23/2024 7:57 AM:
> Hi all,
>
> My father worked for IBM in the Netherlands for more than 30 years,
> starting as a CE in the late 1950'ies. Last year he was diagnosed with
> Alzheimer, and over the past few months my siblings and me have been
> emptying his apartment and storage room, and we've come across a sizeable
> quantity of IBM "stuff", from manuals for the 650 to old square cm
> "integrated circuits" and even a magnetic core memory card. My siblings
> weren't in the least interested in any of it, so I took it, and although
> it's nice to look at, our house is already full enough as it is, so...
>
> If anyone thinks they can offer a good home to these things, and I will,
> hopefully soon, put pictures of everything that surfaces on my website,
> feel free to contact me off this list and we can take it from there. You'll
> most definitely be paying for shipping (from Lithuania), and based on what
> I'm going to find out on fleabay, I might ask for a bit more.
>
> Robert


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Re: OT-ish: Very old IBM hardware & manuals available

[Leonard D Woren]

Maybe contact the Computer History Museum https://computerhistory.org/ 
.  They probably have the resources to ship anything they're 
interested in.


Their collection includes IBM hardware that predates any of us having 
seen a digital computer.  It's been quite a while since I was there, 
but they were working on fixing up an IBM drum storage device which I 
think was the size of beer keg and held something like 550 bytes, no 
typo, or maybe it was a few kbytes.


/Leonard


Robert Prins wrote on 1/23/2024 7:57 AM:

Hi all,

My father worked for IBM in the Netherlands for more than 30 years,
starting as a CE in the late 1950'ies. Last year he was diagnosed with
Alzheimer, and over the past few months my siblings and me have been
emptying his apartment and storage room, and we've come across a sizeable
quantity of IBM "stuff", from manuals for the 650 to old square cm
"integrated circuits" and even a magnetic core memory card. My siblings
weren't in the least interested in any of it, so I took it, and although
it's nice to look at, our house is already full enough as it is, so...

If anyone thinks they can offer a good home to these things, and I will,
hopefully soon, put pictures of everything that surfaces on my website,
feel free to contact me off this list and we can take it from there. You'll
most definitely be paying for shipping (from Lithuania), and based on what
I'm going to find out on fleabay, I might ask for a bit more.

Robert



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Re: OT-ish: Very old IBM hardware & manuals available

[William Donzelli]

I think we could find interested people that could get the stuff to
good homes and Bitsavers. I would be interested in some of it - not
all, as it does need to travel.

I look forward to the pictures.

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On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 8:53 AM Robert Prins  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> My father worked for IBM in the Netherlands for more than 30 years,
> starting as a CE in the late 1950'ies. Last year he was diagnosed with
> Alzheimer, and over the past few months my siblings and me have been
> emptying his apartment and storage room, and we've come across a sizeable
> quantity of IBM "stuff", from manuals for the 650 to old square cm
> "integrated circuits" and even a magnetic core memory card. My siblings
> weren't in the least interested in any of it, so I took it, and although
> it's nice to look at, our house is already full enough as it is, so...
>
> If anyone thinks they can offer a good home to these things, and I will,
> hopefully soon, put pictures of everything that surfaces on my website,
> feel free to contact me off this list and we can take it from there. You'll
> most definitely be paying for shipping (from Lithuania), and based on what
> I'm going to find out on fleabay, I might ask for a bit more.
>
> Robert
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