Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter?
In 985915eee6984740ae93f8495c624c6c2329c04...@jscpcwexmaa1.bsg.ad.adp.com, on 01/23/2014 at 05:59 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com said: Paul's earlier reply expanded on his original request and said Something with finer granularity than a PDF of an entire publication. My time machine is broken. BNesidesw, if you had to read a subsequent message to undetrstand what he meant then it clearly was not prefectly obvious. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter?
In 0384493556120387.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 01/22/2014 at 08:21 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 20:14:58 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: http://publibfi.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/dz9zr009.pdf Sept 2012. Isn't that what I said I *didn't* want? No. That's a URL that allows you to view the PDF. If what you wanted was a BOO or HTML file then you should have said so. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter?
In 3d72083b2cb67b46b4b20f9a717dc1034aaa3...@chw20013603.ch.ad.hedani.net, on 01/23/2014 at 07:49 AM, Hunkeler, Peter peter.hunke...@credit-suisse.com said: You mean the excellent, unbeaten, yet spoken to death BookMaster format ;-) I thought I once had it, but can't find it right now either. AFAIK the current edition of PoOps has never been available as anything but PDF. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter?
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 06:39:14 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: on 01/22/2014 at 08:21 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 20:14:58 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: http://publibfi.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/dz9zr009.pdf Sept 2012. Isn't that what I said I *didn't* want? No. That's a URL that allows you to view the PDF. If what you wanted was a BOO or HTML file then you should have said so. Again, your habitual overtrimming. A dozen lines below, in text you omitted: On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 21:14:33 -0500, Mitch wrote: What, specifically, are you looking for? Something with finer granularity than a PDF of an entire publication. I think that makes my intent clear; I wasn't restricting it to BOO or HTML, although the BOOs are useful particularly because Publibz translates them to HTML. On 2014-01-23, at 00:49, Hunkeler, Peter wrote: Something with finer granularity than a PDF of an entire publication. You mean the excellent, unbeaten, yet spoken to death BookMaster format ;-) I thought I once had it, but can't find it right now either. I understand that several editions ago, the P[ro]Ops outgrew the capacity of BookMaster. It could still fit in the hirearchic but unsearchable Infocenter scheme. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter?
Paul, The last .BOO version I was ever able to find was for the fourth edition, SA22-7832-03, here: http://publibfp.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/dz9zr003/ I do not believe any more .BOO versions were created after that one. I haven't found any current non-PDF versions anywhere either. HTH Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:18 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter? Snipped On 2014-01-23, at 00:49, Hunkeler, Peter wrote: Something with finer granularity than a PDF of an entire publication. You mean the excellent, unbeaten, yet spoken to death BookMaster format ;-) I thought I once had it, but can't find it right now either. I understand that several editions ago, the P[ro]Ops outgrew the capacity of BookMaster. It could still fit in the hirearchic but unsearchable Infocenter scheme. -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter?
On 1/23/14, 7:33 AM, Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. wrote: In 0384493556120387.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 01/22/2014 at 08:21 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 20:14:58 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: http://publibfi.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/dz9zr009.pdf Sept 2012. Isn't that what I said I *didn't* want? No. That's a URL that allows you to view the PDF. If what you wanted was a BOO or HTML file then you should have said so. That's strange, I thought it was perfectly obvious from the original post that Paul did NOT want PDF. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter?
Here is the Info System reference to Machine Instructions. http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v2r1/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.zos.v2r1.asma400%2Fasmr102113.htm On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Eric Chevalier et...@tulsagrammer.com wrote: On 1/23/14, 7:33 AM, Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. wrote: In 0384493556120387.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 01/22/2014 at 08:21 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 20:14:58 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: http://publibfi.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/dz9zr009.pdf Sept 2012. Isn't that what I said I *didn't* want? No. That's a URL that allows you to view the PDF. If what you wanted was a BOO or HTML file then you should have said so. That's strange, I thought it was perfectly obvious from the original post that Paul did NOT want PDF. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter?
[insert daily Digest caveat] Gil: From what I've found, your short answer seems to be No. [1] I suspect that there might not *be* a non-pdf PoOps produced. For v1.12, v1.13, v2.1 [2], the PoOps is found as the 1st link on their respective Information Centre Home Pages but the links are only to pdf versions. [1] I didn't search exhaustively, either. [2] z/OS Internet Library : http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/library/bkserv/index.html ; v1.11 was out-of-service at the time signature = 6 lines follows Neil Duffee, Joe Sysprog, uOttawa, Ottawa, Ont, Canada telephone:1 613 562 5800 x4585 fax:1 613 562 5161 mailto:NDuffee of uOttawa.ca http:/ /aix1.uOttawa.ca/ ~nduffee “How *do* you plan for something like that?” Guardian Bob, Reboot “For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism.” “Systems Programming: Guilty, until proven innocent” John Norgauer 2004 -Original Message- From: Paul Gilmartin [mailto:paul...@ai...com] Sent: January 22, 2014 21:22 Subject: Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter? On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 20:14:58 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: http://publibfi.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/dz9zr009.pdf Sept 2012. Isn't that what I said I *didn't* want? On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Is/are the P[ro]Ops available via Infocenter? Or is Infocenter software only? I'd rather have a web interface to a current copy than several PDFs of varying age on the several desktops I use. On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 21:14:33 -0500, Mitch wrote: What, specifically, are you looking for? Something with finer granularity than a PDF of an entire publication. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter?
In 52e15bde.7020...@tulsagrammer.com, on 01/23/2014 at 12:13 PM, Eric Chevalier et...@tulsagrammer.com said: That's strange, I thought it was perfectly obvious from the original post that Paul did NOT want PDF. How do you get that from I'd rather have a web interface to a current copy than several PDFs of varying age on the several desktops I use.? It was perfectly obvious that he was complaining abou multiple versions on his local disk. Now, he may have meant something other than what he meant, but, if so, it was not obvious. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 5:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter? In 52e15bde.7020...@tulsagrammer.com, on 01/23/2014 at 12:13 PM, Eric Chevalier et...@tulsagrammer.com said: That's strange, I thought it was perfectly obvious from the original post that Paul did NOT want PDF. How do you get that from I'd rather have a web interface to a current copy than several PDFs of varying age on the several desktops I use.? It was perfectly obvious that he was complaining abou multiple versions on his local disk. Now, he may have meant something other than what he meant, but, if so, it was not obvious. Paul's earlier reply expanded on his original request and said Something with finer granularity than a PDF of an entire publication. Text of his email copied below. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 9:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter? On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 20:14:58 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: http://publibfi.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/dz9zr009.pdf Sept 2012. Isn't that what I said I *didn't* want? On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Is/are the P[ro]Ops available via Infocenter? Or is Infocenter software only? I'd rather have a web interface to a current copy than several PDFs of varying age on the several desktops I use. On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 21:14:33 -0500, Mitch wrote: What, specifically, are you looking for? Something with finer granularity than a PDF of an entire publication. -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter?
http://publibfi.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/dz9zr009.pdf Sept 2012. On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: Is/are the P[ro]Ops available via Infocenter? Or is Infocenter software only? I'd rather have a web interface to a current copy than several PDFs of varying age on the several desktops I use. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter?
Gil, What, specifically, are you looking for? Mitch McCluhan -Original Message- From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wed, Jan 22, 2014 6:00 pm Subject: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter? Is/are the P[ro]Ops available via Infocenter? Or is Infocenter software only? 'd rather have a web interface to a current copy than several PDFs of varying ge on the several desktops I use. -- gil -- or IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, end email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter?
On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 20:14:58 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: http://publibfi.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/dz9zr009.pdf Sept 2012. Isn't that what I said I *didn't* want? On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Is/are the P[ro]Ops available via Infocenter? Or is Infocenter software only? I'd rather have a web interface to a current copy than several PDFs of varying age on the several desktops I use. On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 21:14:33 -0500, Mitch wrote: What, specifically, are you looking for? Something with finer granularity than a PDF of an entire publication. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter?
In the info center, HLASM high level assembler had a section on machine instructions. It said to look in the z/Arch. Principle of Instructions and did not link to it. On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 8:21 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 20:14:58 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: http://publibfi.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/dz9zr009.pdf Sept 2012. Isn't that what I said I *didn't* want? On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Is/are the P[ro]Ops available via Infocenter? Or is Infocenter software only? I'd rather have a web interface to a current copy than several PDFs of varying age on the several desktops I use. On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 21:14:33 -0500, Mitch wrote: What, specifically, are you looking for? Something with finer granularity than a PDF of an entire publication. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter?
On 22 January 2014 21:00, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: Is/are the P[ro]Ops available via Infocenter? Or is Infocenter software only? I'd rather have a web interface to a current copy than several PDFs of varying age on the several desktops I use. I haven't seen it on the Infocenter, but who knows - maybe it'll come. The IBM i has the opposite problem: the closest thing to a P[ro]Ops that exists for that box (the MI reference) used to be available in PDF, but is now only on the InfoCenter in a very difficult to use form. Well, wouldn't want anyone easily using low-level techniques or understanding how things work, would we now? Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter?
Something with finer granularity than a PDF of an entire publication. You mean the excellent, unbeaten, yet spoken to death BookMaster format ;-) I thought I once had it, but can't find it right now either. -- Peter Hunkeler -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
